200 TWIN PRO Bracket Concepts

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

Followed on from the 360 Mini Strobe concept, it would also be very nice to have a PRO version Twin Bracket available as an option for the EVOLV / AD200 strobes.

The current Twin Brackets are an incredible piece of gear, allowing you to mount two EVOLV / AD200 strobes, and providing an output only a few tenths less than the XPLOR 600 / AD600B (compared in the same softbox at least).

Though the current bracket was built to a very reasonable price, and it would be nice to have a more refined PRO version, using the stepless metal swivel mount, and metal Bowen’s mount from the 600 PRO.

This would also provide an opportunity to possibly revise a few other features as discussed below.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

 

Firstly if possible it would certainly be very nice to also include the new horseshoe style flash tube, and centered 38W LED modelling light from the 600 PRO, though I don’t know how practical or possible that would be.

It would be possible using a bulb with twin flash tubes inside, though that would be considerably costly, and it would be a unique bulb not shared with anything else in the system (unlike using the current AD200 tubes).

Though one possible chance may still be simply using the flash tube from the 600 PRO, and firing both strobes through the one tube.

As that is what Godox originally did with their first AD200 twin bracket prototype, though using the AD360II tube. And it is possible that may have only been changed because the 360 tube was just not rated high enough to handle two 200 strobes together (where the 600 tube should be OK).

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

If adopting the 600 PRO tube is not feasible though, it would likely be best to stick with the current dual tube and LED layout.

Upgrade the bracket and S-type mount though, and possibly refine some other things like upgrading the LED modelling lights (ideally to around double their current output).

 

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

It would also be nice to have both strobes mounted the same way this time (I’m not sure why Godox mounted them opposite ways originally).

Having both strobes oriented the same way though would certainly make it easier to mount and remove them from the bracket.

As well as to read and adjust the interface, and access the batteries and head release latches easily from the top of units.

And also leaving a 15mm gap between the strobes would allow room for a tripod plate to be left attached to them while mounted to the bracket.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

And while discussing mounting the strobes, I don’t know if this is asking too much, though it would also be nice to consider providing something of a stress release point, to help absorb the impact if a stand goes over, or the unit is dropped etc.

The rear mounting plate could be something that’s easily swapped out by the user as needed. And either the whole plate, or each strobe mount individually designed to break away with an impact.

So instead of replacing an expensive strobe or bracket, you can hopefully just replace the backing plate of the bracket as needed.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

Another issue with the current Twin Bracket set up is that you can only use one LED modelling light when using a single strobe mounted to the bracket.

A solution for this, and also to provide more battery capacity if the LED’s were increased in output (possibly even requiring a small fan), would be to have an EVOLV / AD200 body with no flash capacitors inside, just to house batteries.

So this unit could be mounted to the Twin Bracket instead of the second strobe, to power the LED’s. And possibly even attached via a cord when both strobes are mounted.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

This battery pack body could also be used to power any of the EVOLV / AD200 LED heads, including the LED ring light (still to come).

Because there is no need to be carrying around heavy flash capacitors, just to power LED lights. The radio receiver (for remote control) and basic interface would still be included.

There could even be a mini version, holding just one battery.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

And once again it would be very convenient to have a multi dock battery charger available.

A reader even suggested it would be good to be able to clip the chargers together (possibly for the standard chargers and the multi dock version), so that you don’t need additional power outlets, and extra power cords to carry.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

Patrick Hall from Fstoppers recently posted a good video illustrating the elaborate battery management required by many professional photographers. So reducing the number of different batteries and individual chargers needed can make a big improvement.

With the twin bracket available you could build a nice system of strobes conveniently running from the one same battery.

And if Godox did manage to eventually provide some new head options for the 200, you could possibly have a very nice compact system of lights all with LED modelling lights built in, and running the same batteries.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

One other thing which may be worth exploring would be something more of an impact resistant case or cover for portable strobes.

Flashpoint have done a really nice job with recent silicon skins for the EVOLV 200. And as nice as they are, their release has led a lot of people to comment that they are not going to do anything to save a flash if dropped etc.

While that wasn’t the intention of the skins, it has led me to think it could be possible to provide a cover designed to provide some impact protection.

If you had a hard, but thin flexible plastic outer skin, which would bend or crush a little on impact, then lined with a high density molded foam around 6mm or so thick.

 

200 TWIN PRO Bracket

 

The cover could extend past the end of the strobe further to provide a thicker dampening at the rear corners and edges, which usually take to most impact.

The front section could be cut off along a perforated seam, for mounting the strobe into the current S-type speedlight brackets, and attached to the strobe separately as needed.

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11 Comments
  1. John Wilson 10 months ago

    I don’t think it would be possible to use the AD600 Pro tube. You have the problem of trying to get two capacitors to rapidly discharge down the same wire. If the settings of the two AD200 were different, for example, then you would have the problem of the current travelling back to the device that shuts off first (i.e. the one on the lower power setting). To avoid this you’d need to put diodes in the circuit. This would inevitably reduce to power of the system and generate heat. It’s possible that Godox tried this with the AD360 tube in the AD-B2 and found it impractical.

    Looking at pictures of the 1200Ws AD600 bulb you can see that it has 6 pins and has two separate flash tubes in the glass envelope. I’m sure this is because of the problem I described above. Looking at the AD600 Pro bulb you can see that it has 3 unused holes in the base which leads me to believe that the 1200Ws Pro bulb will have the same configuration.

    I’d very much like to have an AD200 head with an AD600 Pro style bulb in it as well as a twin bracket with the same bulb with two flash tubes in it. This only requires sourcing a lower power tube with the same form factor as the AD600 Pro one as the base and glass enclosure would be identical. If you had that then you might not need two LEDs as the power loss through diodes might not be a problem.

    Disclaimer: I’m not an electronics person (I’ve managed to cut myself with a soldering iron…twice!) It a distinct possibility I’m talking nonsense here:)

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      Flash Havoc 10 months ago

      Yes, they could definitely do a bulb with twin flash tubes as we have already seen with the AD-H1200B remote extension head for the AD600B.

      Though the problem is lets say they could possibly get the price down to half that of the AD-H1200 bulb, then its still $100 just for the bulb. Then you need to add that bulb to the bracket price (likely another $100) just to get started.

      With a $59 bracket already available, which you can use your existing AD200 tubes in, its going to be a hard sell for a Pro bracket then.

      So I think the main hope would possibly be the single AD600 Pro tube. I don’t know why Godox pulled the AD360 tube from the original Twin Bracket, though I’d be surprised if one of the reasons wasn’t that it was underrated to run 2 AD200 strobes through, considering they are individually not far behind the AD360 output.

      All these are just suggestions though, Godox may not have the time or will to do any of these. With the popularity and volume of these strobes already out there though, hopefully we may even see more third party accessories being developed for them.

  2. david brown 10 months ago

    An ad600 pro style bulb with twin flash tubes built in, used on a ad200 twin bracket set up. I love it 🙂 great idea.

  3. Paul 10 months ago

    I like how you’re thinking. It seems simplest and most do-able to keep the current twin tube design, and just up the output on the LEDs. The option of using one AD200 and an adapter to take just a battery in the second slot is a good one. This would give the most flexibility on a compact two-AD200 kit with a few extra batteries- a single 400 WS unit with high-output modeling light, or one main 200 WS unit with modeling light and a second 200 WS head for background or rim lighting. All in one small case or bag. It’s true that the two LED lights and twin tubes in the current adapter are not 100% accurate due to axis and position, but when used in a modifier such as an umbrella or soft box it doesn’t matter,

  4. Todd Strong 10 months ago

    I agree with the statement about the flash bodies facing the same direction, it’s awkward when feeling around for buttons and trying to see if you have the setting where you want in a quick glance. A very bad design flaw from a convenience and ergonomic stand point. However, this doesn’t affect functionality or quality of the light.

  5. Todd Strong 10 months ago

    in addition, the heat sinks could be a bit smaller in diameter as well. My Godox/ Fotidiox deep umbrella style octa (inappropriately named as it has 16 sides) bracket is too thick and will not fit into the bracket.

  6. alberto 10 months ago

    If they do remake the bracket, I hope they address the unbalance issue of the bracket. At the moment it is too back heavy in my opinion. Its the main reason I returned mine, but the weight and size also played a factor. It’s about the same size and weight as the AD600. It also takes the same amount of space in a case.

    I get its purpose, but for me, it’s just better to have an AD600. I would prefer Godox to explore the 360 concepts, especially if they can make it a 400 and half the size of the AD360.

    • alberto 10 months ago

      Sorry, I meant to say half the size of the AD600. LOL

  7. Jon Hauge 10 months ago

    I like this idea and second the notion of having both units line up so you can better see the lcd screen. This would also allow for a pistol grip accessory that can be centered over both units. I have a pistol grip screwed into one of the units and it is serviceable but the weight is off center. Having a pistol grip attached greatly improves the ergonomic handling when on location or using for real estate photography when I’m the lightstand and remote triggering the camera.

  8. Craig 10 months ago

    I just got my 2nd evolv 200 and a twin bracket and I have to say I’m very disappointed that they made the lights attach the way they did. There’s not enough room to keep even a thin arca plate on the bottom of either light and still be able to mount them to the bracket. Bad design.

  9. John Wilson 10 months ago

    Hi Craig!

    If they were mounted the other way (with the sides with the logos on them facing each other) then that would fix your problem.

    I’m not sure I like them both facing the same way. If you put wide plates on the edge mounting holes you get the same problem that Craig has with his plates.

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