Budget Slave Flash Option for the YN-622C

For just a couple of hundred dollars you can quite easily get started in off camera lighting now with a very decent kit of 3 basic manual YN-560 speedlights and RF-602 radio triggers. Manual is a great off camera, and often the best way to learn anyway, but remote control of the power levels from the camera and even the ability to use TTL for moving subjects can be far more convenient again.

Now YongNuo have done a great job with the new inexpensive YN-622C, making ETTL and Remote Manual triggers reliable and affordable for even those just starting out –

YN-622C

But the radio triggers are only half of the equation, the TTL flash units required to allow any remote function with the 622C are the higher cost involved now.

 

So what are the budget slave flash options?

 

Again YongNuo themselves already have the cheapest fully featured ETTL flashes available –

The new YN-568EX – (around $160 – $210) – is generally the most ideal having HSS (high speed sync) – but No external battery pack port.

And the YN-565EX – (around $150 – $190) – without HSS – but it does have the port for external battery pack.

Those two flashes are the current top of the range from YongNuo and they would give full Remote Manual and ETTL power control off camera with the YN-622C. But that is still $200 – $250 per flash when combined with the $50 622C receiver, which adds up quickly for our simple 3 flash kit compared to the fully manual alternative.

 

So that leads us to the YongNuo YN-465 (and many thanks to Tmart.com for this sample for this testing)

 

YN-465

The YN-465 was the first of the YongNuo TTL flashes and now the cheapest (around $65) .

When used with the YN-622C as a receiver off camera, the YN-465 allows –

  • Remote Manual power setting in 1/3rd stops (in 3 groups)
  • ETTL with FEC (Flash Exposure Compensation) from the camera
  • ETTL ratios from the camera flash control menu  
  • FEL (Flash Exposure Lock)

 

What makes the 465 interesting (as we discovered while working on the flash compatibility list for the YN-622C)  is that being an early flash its no longer compatible with many recent Canon bodies when used directly on the hotshoe of the camera, but when used on a YN-622C receiver off camera the 465 works fine with those later camera bodies. 

– Directly Compatible On Camera Hotshoe – Canon 40D, 50D, 60D, 350D, 400D, 450D, 500D, 1000D
– Not Direct Directly Compatible On Camera Hotshoe – 1DsIII, 1DsII, 1Ds, 1D, 5DII, 5D, 7D  (and quite possibly more)

Also with manual power settings – the 465 originally only has full stop manual adjustments, but used as a slave with the YN-622c it allows 1/3rd stop manual adjustments. 

So the YN-622C has given the YN-465 a new lease on life to some degree.

 

YN-465 DISADVANTAGES – 

 $65 V’s at least $165, whats the catch? Well straight up the biggest disadvantage is –

Power – the 465 when used in a bounce or shoot thru umbrella for example is dead on a stop less powerful than the YN-565/568EX flashes (and YN-560 fully manual flash). That’s at the same standard 35mm zoom length on the flash heads.

Zoom – There is no zoom head, its fixed to 35mm. This is not that much of an issue off camera if using modifiers like umbrellas and softboxes much of the time anyway.

Battery Door – The Battery door and compartment are crazy, but they are usable and you just have to learn how to close it and concentrate for a few seconds on how you’re doing it each time.

No HSS – Though we really wouldn’t have expected that in a budget option anyway.

 

YN-465 ADVANTAGES – 

Inexpensive – $65 for a full Remote Manual and ETTL flash certainly fits into inexpensive, (though paying a little more for some refinements would be better if that was available, see more at the bottom of this post).

Recycle Time – The 465 is actually very fast at 1.7 seconds at full power.

Note – Some of these flashes actually had a dial inside, its not something you’re meant to touch, but if you pulled them apart you could turn up the dial which would allow more flash power, but at a lower recycle time. I haven’t pulled this flash apart though to see though. If anyone knows more about this please let us know in the comments below.

Size – The head is considerably smaller, the body narrower, and the flash lighter than the 568/565/560 etc.

YN-565 vs YN-465 

Functions –

 

The 465 has a very simple control Panel, there is just the one main dial and a test fire (PILOT) button.

For the purpose of slave use on the YN-622C all we need to do is to set TTL to ON, by simply turning the dial slightly until it clicks into the ON position and the TTL LED lights up (image left below). The flash doesn’t really need to be touched after that as all control is done from the camera.

For manual use (without the YN-622C) you simply keep turning the dial further until the Manual LED lights up, and the power level LED’s start to show up with each extra full stop of power (image right). 

YN-465 Control Panel

 

So that’s really all there is to the 465. I wondered how such a simple flash with limited controls would allow remote manual in 1/3rd stops for example, but the power dial appears to be a continuous power adjustment and the LED’s are just a guide to the manual power levels. So the YN-622C can command any specific power level it requires.

As you select a manual power level from the cameras Flash Control Menu you can imediately see that change on the flash with the power level LED’s lighting up as required. There is no 1/3rd stop power level indications on the flash itself, but the power levels do change in 1/3rd stops as set from the camera menu. In ETTL its just the TTL LED that’s lit up.

Note – One quirk with the 465 and most other YongNuo flashes I have tried is the power level from half power up to full is closer to half a stop than a full stop, while the other levels are fairly close to the full stops they should be.

 

Battery Door –

As mentioned there is not much you can do about this but just get used to how to close it as simply as possible. The door has no track to slide in, so its a matter of just pushing it down onto the batteries and then trying to slide across a little into place. Its not that much of a big deal but you do have to think about what you’re doing. The battery compartment itself has no internal dividers either, so you need to stack the batteries on top of each other while holding the flash closer to upright.

YN-465 Battery Door

 

Otherwise the YN-465 is fairly well built flash, with metal foot, tilt swivel head (180 deg. left, 90 right), flip down wide angle diffuser and catchlight card.

YN-465 Swivel

Conclusion –

 

The YN-465 is a little dated compared to the current higher priced options available, but for around $65 its hard to complain. Used as a slave with the YN-622C it can offer more now than ever before, 1/3rd stop Manual adjustments work fine, as does ETTL with Exposure Compensation from the camera, FEL, and ETTL ratios through the camera flash control menu. Minus the Zoom head and HSS the 465 simply works as a remote slave unit as it should. Its really quite impressive to see such a simple flash working with full remote control from the camera, even the Canon 430ex and 580ex won’t do this, you need the MK II Canon models to have similar remote control.

If there was one thing we could update though, the priority would definitely be boosting the power that extra stop.  

If you have the YN-465 and Yn-622C please let us know how its working in the comments, also if you notice any compatibility issue with any camera bodies, thanks.

 

I would like to thank Tmart.com for supplying the YN-465 flash for testing, they have the YN-465 listed for $62 with free shipping.

Tmart.com offer 6 months warranty, and 3 months money back return. They will also price match other online stores. This flash arrived in just 4 days from HK, while I’ve been waiting weeks from some other suppliers. If you deal with Tmart please let us know your experience in the comments below.

Be sure to check the warranty and return policy carefully with any seller though because these flashes are know to have decent failure rates. Most may have lasted for years without issue, but that still leaves a resonable number that fail prematurely for the unlucky owners, and that usually happens in the first few months if its going to, if not dead on arrival.

 

PERMALINK

Other Inexpensive YN-622C Slave Flash Options –

 

The YN-465 discussed above is not exactly the ideal inexpensive YN-622C slave flash option, though it is likely the better of the few similar inexpensive options currently available. YongNuo do also have the later YN-467, 468, and 468 II versions priced up to around $100, but they actually drop about 1/3rd of a stop in power again over the 465, which is already compromised enough in power output as it is.

 

So the ideal inexpensive YN-622C slave option is not really available yet. But YN does already have an ETTL (in slave use only) flash available for the Canon optic wireless system, the YN560EX selling around $90-100.  There is also a similar Oloong SP-660.

But there is no current similar Slave alternative for use with the YN-622C instead of the Canon optic wireless system. So what is needed is something like a cross between the existing fully featured YN-565ex and the popular inexpensive YN-560 manual flash.

Ideally a YN-560-SLV, an updated version of the manual YN-560 but with added ETTL and Remote Manual compatibility when used as a Slave with the YN-622C receiver. Preferably – Full power, Battery Port, Zoom Head, in about that order of priority, under the $100 mark.   

YN-560-S

I think I prefer the black screen, but for those who really desire the LCD screen, an option could be an “LCD look” screen, still using the YN-560 LED’s but with a metallic silver panel instead of the black one above? I’m sure it could look better than the illustration below, but you get the idea.

YN-560-S silver screen

Would like to see a sub $100 YN-622C Slave flash? 

If so is there any feature or function your really wouldn’t want to sacrifice for this price point?

Please leave your comments below and we will forward this on to YongNuo, thanks.

8 Comments
  1. Dave 5 years ago

    I’m really interested in these triggers as it would be really useful to beable to remote manual control my flashes. Unfortunately I have some really dumb flashes right now (namely the 460ii’s). I’m looking to get the 465’s since they’re cheap and work with these triggers.

    I am a Nikon, so my question is, if i get the triggers for nikon, do the flashes have to also be nikon if i never plan on putting the flash on my camera? It seems the 465’s nikon availability limited, and seems to be more expensive. Does it really even matter that its “for cannon”?

    Here’s my intended setup: Using these triggers, one on-camera flash, Nikon’s SB700 (mainly for the AF-assist), and multiple off camera YN465’s off camera in manual controled by the camera.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 5 years ago

      Hi Dave,

      You may have jumped a step ahead of YongNuo there, the YN-622 for Nikon are not available yet.

      YongNuo are working on them, and I would imagine its No.1 priority at the moment, but at this stage I wouldn’t even be sure if they will be able to do remote manual at all, as the similar Pixel Kings for Nikon (or Sony) can’t do any more than TTL in one group, no remote manual. The Canon version has the advantage of a flash control menu which the Nikon and Sony etc don’t have. So without an interface of their own The Nikon version YN-622 may be limited. We will have to wait and see if YongNuo do have any tricks to get a round this or not.

      Regarding the original question though, yes you would definitely need the Nikon version YN-465, or other compatible TTL flashes. If not they will only fire like a fully manual flash, no remote control or TTL at all.

      Hopefully by the time the NIkon verion is available, they may have a remote manual flash available as suggested as well, because the YN-465 are still a stop down on the YN-460 II, those are actually a neat little flash with the same power as the higher models (just no zoom).

  2. Hans 5 years ago

    Hi there!

    Thanks for all the reviews and guides, all very helpful information!

    How do the 465 compare to the 467/468 (II) series? Or did I read correctly somewhere that they don’t offer TTL once they’re off the camera.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 5 years ago

      Hi Hans,

      Thanks, the 467/468II will only allow TTL off-camera if they are attached to the YN-622 or other compatible TTL radio triggers. The problem is they are even lower power than the earlier YN-465, which itself is already a stop down on the regular YN-5XX series flashes (and most Canon/Nikon speedlites etc). The new YN-500EX is probably the best lower price option now, as they are only half a stop off the full power flashes. But that’s still around $140.

      Were not likely to see an ideal low priced budget slave flash offered for the YN-622, because YongNuo now have the YN-560 III manual flash, with built in radio receiver. Its likely that flash will have remote manual power control enabled later in the year when a new transmitter is released.

      So that will be the low priced option with remote manual control. If you want TTL or HSS they you have to step up to the YN-622 and higher priced TTL flashes. You could use the 467 or 468II, but power is very limited once you start using any softbox or modifiers. YN-500EX, YN-565EX (No HSS), and YN-568EX are the better options there.

  3. Sean 4 years ago

    This may be elementary, but will the YN622C transceiver fire the YN560 (manual only flash)? I’m looking for a bare bones simple flash setup designed to remain fixed on a set exposure and distance to be used at an animal shelter make shift studio to photograph dogs and cats to be adopted. We already have the YN622C transceivers and blew out a Canon 580ex so I was hoping to buy the inexpensive YN560, set the power, meter the output with a handheld light meter, and lock in the exposure on a Canon 30D and Canon G12 for staff to use.

    So, will this work? YN622C firing the YN560 on manual?

    Thanks!

    Sean

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      Hi Sean,

      Yes that will work. The YN-560 II is likely cheaper now though, and a bit better. Thanks.

  4. Sean 4 years ago

    Thanks! The Manual only option may be best for us. We have had issues with the flash switching from M to ETTL when the shutter button is depressed (30D and G12) while using the YN622C. It does this on the YN565ex and the Canon 430ex II, but not on the Canon 580ex or 430ex.

    I now noticed in your YN622C review that possibly setting the on camera transceiver to Mixed Mode could solve that problem. Is that correct? What light indications are lit confirming Mixed Mode?

    Thanks for your feedback!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      Hi Sean,

      Switching to ETTL is very likely because you have ETTL selected in the cameras flash control menu.

      You will need to go into the cameras flash control menu, then external flash, and then select manual instead of ETTL.

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