FLASHPOINT EVOLV 200 / AD200 Round Head – Announced

 

EVOLV / AD200 Round Head

 

Flashpoint have announced a new EVOLV 200 Round HeadGodox H200R, for the EVOLV 200 / Godox AD200 compact cordless TTL strobes.

The round head provides a more natural and even circular flash pattern and light fall off than the standard Fresnel head, while retaining the convenience of a compact self contained head unit.

As well as providing a 4.3 watt LED modelling light.

The round head also features a magnetic accessory mount, allowing, gels, grid, snoot, dome diffuser, and bounce card etc, all to be quickly mounted, and stacked on top of each other as needed.

 

EVOLV / AD200 Round Head

 

EVOLV / AD200 Round Head

 

For even illumination the Round Head features a spiral flash tube, mounted inside a built-in parabolic reflector.

And a 4.3 watt LED modelling light is also provided.

 

 

H200R

 

H200R

 

Optional magnetic accessories attach quickly and can be stacked on top of each other as needed.

H200R

 

EVOLV / AD200 Round Head

 

And for the first time there are even hard plastic color correction gels available (rather than just the color effects gels usually available).

 

EVOLV / AD200 Round Head

 

PRICE AND AVAILABILITY

 

The Flashpoint Round Head / Godox H200R are available for Pre-Order now from Adorama for $79

 

Flashpoint – Website

Godox – Website

EVOLV / AD200 – Overview

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66 Comments
  1. Pete 2 months ago

    Is compatible with MagMods?

    • ed 2 months ago

      Does not look like it is compatible. Looks like they are tired of Mag Mod making all the money on flash add ons.

  2. Michael Quack 2 months ago

    This is as much snake oil as the Profoto marketing. As long as there is a linear flash tube behind the fresnel lens, there is little to no difference in light. Check that with your camera or and regular single optical lens. Straight lines are projected mostly straight. While I like the filter options, though, I would have prefered to get better filtering options for the bare bulb and speedlite heads. Filter drawers that accept rectangular filters, eliminating the need to cut filters into awkward shapes.

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      There’s no snake oil, the regular fresnel head has a very uneven and rectangular light pattern.

      It just depends on what its aimed at or projected on as to whether that’s an issue or not.

      Most speedlites have a pretty rough light pattern around the edges, though it doesn’t matter for on-camera use when the flash is matching the lens zoom because the edges are not in the frame.

      • Michael Quack 2 months ago

        That is a problem of the internal form and the fresnel lens itself.
        Just making the lens round doesn’t change anything and it doesn’t
        need to be round.

        If using round lenses would change anything, then one wouldn’t be
        able to take pictures of a straight line with a round lens….

        But hey – Godox will sell their snake oil much cheaper than Profoto.
        And they have three times as much power in it.

        • Author
          FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

          Michael, seriously I blocked you years ago because I know you have a long history of turning forums into rubbish debates.

          I let you back recently in good faith, but you’re fast headed down the same path again.

    • GRUBERND 2 months ago

      you are right, but any improvement over the original AD200 fresnel head is welcome – the original is pretty much the worst light i have ever encountered. it can get a little better when used behind a lot of diffusion material, but still. even the TT685 head at 200mm setting is better than that.

      for the record: i mostly use the bare bulb head with the AD-M mini reflector as a general light. beautiful.

      • Steve 2 months ago

        GRUBERND do you use the AD-M with the frosted reflector cover or without?

    • Joel Richards 2 months ago

      Do we know there is a linear flash tube? It seems Godox has been moving toward circular tubes with their latest units.

      • Andy 2 months ago

        Yeah…I’d like to know that too. If it’s circular flash tube, I’m all over it, otherwise I’ll use flash tube that comes with AD200.

        • Author
          FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

          EDIT – The Round Head has a spiral flash tube similar to the bare bulb, not a linear flash tube like the Fresnel head.

          (Orienting a linear flash tube the other way around like Cactus is doing with the RQ250 should produce nice results as well though).

    • JL Williams 2 months ago

      I’m not just going to take your word for this, because (a) at this point we don’t know for sure what shape the flash tube is, and (b) the design of the reflector has a very strong influence on the light pattern.

  3. mmmfotografie 2 months ago

    The gel filters used con stil be square or any shape as long it covers the ftont opening. You put the gel on the front and then put the magnetic ring on it.

    For me, this combination of ad200 and round head would have been the one that should have introduced on release of the as200.

  4. John Wilson 2 months ago

    Does it zoom?

    Nice to see proper gels offered.

  5. Ricardo Gomez 2 months ago

    Again, more excellent work Godox/Flashpoint!

    I totally see myself using the half-sphere module in conjunction with a modifier. To get as even a spread of light from the AD200.

  6. Andrew Miller 2 months ago

    Great idea Godox or whoever. Seriously – I’ll be getting two as soon as they are out.

    For those that are bitching about the “quality” of light and the “Fresnel” patterns – can you show me a real-life image, of a real-life subject taken on a real life shoot where these show up? Because I sure as hell can’t replicate them unless I’m shooting in non-real-life conditions.

    • GRUBERND 2 months ago

      Andrew, i can’t show you real life photos with equipment of bad light quality, because if something fails my initial test it doesn’t get to play with the real tools.

      the fresnel pattern from both the AD200 and the TT685 at 135 to 200mm settings are very uneven with hard edges across the flow, which makes them too dangerous to use in my world.

      because more often than not i only have a single shot, no chance for repetition and/or chance of tedious correction in postproduction. as a professional i have to refuse to use such gear. but i do love the AD200 with the AD-M or AD-S2 reflectors. or the TT685 at 24 to 85mm setting.

  7. JL Williams 2 months ago

    I kind of wonder why they didn’t just go ahead and give this the same S-adaptable accessory mount that will be on the forthcoming AD400…?

    …unless it’s because the body mount wouldn’t be strong enough to hold he heavy modifiers that people would hang off the front? (Because you know that somebody totally would try to dangle a six-foot octa off it, and then come on here and complain bitterly when something broke.)

  8. Robert T Johnson 2 months ago

    I am looking forward to the new head design and the options, I would have like to seen a bowens mount adapter and some type of device to mount the AD-200 to a light stand with the bowens mount.

  9. jacob katz 2 months ago

    reminds me of spinlight 360

  10. Jim Watkins 2 months ago

    Uhh I don’t get it. The AD200 already comes with a round bare bulb head and I have all the grids/adapters/modifiers shown for this new one (from my AD360’s), plus a couple, like the ADS7 that work of the universal Quantum type mount. So why would anybody want to take a fresnel head and try to make it round at no doubt a big added cost?

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      Hi Jim,

      A lot of wedding and event photographers use the fresnel head because its more compact and self contained. Now you have convenient compact accessories as well.

      I don’t know of anything, though I would expect Godox would be working on an A1 style on camera master speedlite to use the same head shape and accessories.

      As other people have mentioned though, ideally it would have been better if the head could at least manually zoom. My suggestion in the concepts I offered was to at least have some different fresnel lenses to clip on, set to different zoom lengths. It looks like they have gone for one fixed setting and a wide angle diffuser though.

      Short answer is this unit doesn’t really matter if you don’t need the more compact flash and accessories.

  11. adam 2 months ago

    I’m interested. I love the magnetic attachments. That alone should be worth the most probably very reasonable price. I am always telling all my friends to ditch the first party flashes.

  12. Jim Watkins 2 months ago

    Elvis, thanks for the response, that makes sense.

    Adam-I like magnet attachments too, but the one on the AD200 was Ok to put on and but very difficult to take off. Plus the gels were not color correction type and a couple of the magnets fell out and were lost in the first use. Hopefully this version for the round fresnel will be better.

    That is why I bought into the MagMod system to use with both my AD200 fresnel heads and my and V8600II, as grids, gels and modifiers all work seamlessly with the MagMod, even when stacking with each other. It just works!

    I use a grid (or two) and the white diffuser gel together with the MagSphere for a very directional, but diffused light outside for my portrait work, most times on a small Manfrotto Nano stand, but also with a 6″ hand grip for a quick run and gun light. Light in left hand, camera and XPro trigger in right hand and it works 100% of the time.

  13. Mark Bernhardt 2 months ago

    Is there a modeling light?

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      Hi Mark,

      I’m not completely sure yet, EDIT- Yes there is a 4.3 watt LED light mounted in the center of the spiral flash tube.

    • qliq 2 months ago

      No modeling lamp.

      • John Wilson 2 months ago

        Here’s the Pixapro listing of the head https://www.essentialphoto.co.uk/product/pixapro-pika200-portable-flash-round-head-speedlite-attachment/

        Interesting video of the attachments.

        The listing claims there is a LED modelling light.

        • qliq 2 months ago

          I STAND CORRECTED!
          THERE IS A GREAT LED MODELING LIGHT THAT USES THREE LEVELS OF BRIGHTNESS!
          IT IS POSITIONED BEHIND THE FLASH TUBE

          • John Wilson 2 months ago

            Like the AD600 modelling light positioned behind the flash tube?

            That didn’t work very well.

            • qliq 2 months ago

              No, not like that LED.
              They must have learned from the past.
              Much better design and nice and bright.
              The flash tube does not intervene.
              And since all of the add-on magnetic accessories fit on this head, you can use the modeling light unobstructed.
              I don’t know the wattage output level.

  14. Patrick Hamilton 2 months ago

    Any idea of dimension of these magnetic attachments ?

    • John Wilson 2 months ago

      The diameter of the flash head is about the width of the AD200 body (75mm)

      • Patrick Hamilton 2 months ago

        The reason I ask is if these will work with ProFoto A1….. They are a little slow with new modifer’s for A1.

  15. Mike 2 months ago

    Nice, I always use the bare bulb on my AD200 but this is certainly going to make the Fresnel usable. I much prefer a circular shape for nicer fall off if you’re near walls.

  16. Jonathan 2 months ago

    Unrelated to this post but hoping someone can give me some advice!

    I am new to flash photography and I just purchased a Yongnuo YN600EX-RT to use with my Canon 70D. I was about to purchase the YN-E3-RT wireless trigger ($75) but saw a post on here about some other brand triggers that are RT compatible and that Yongnup isn’t as recommended as it used to be.

    What would be a good alternative to the YN-E3-RT that will work with my flash and offer similar features and why is it better? Thank yoU!!!

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      Hi Jonathan,

      The main reason a lot of people have moved to Godox / Flashpoint is that they have a much wider range of flashes beyond just speedlites, which is all YongNuo currently offer. The AD200 / EVOLV themselves are a popular alternative to regular speedlites. Also you can use other camera systems (with TTL and HSS etc), you’re not just limited to Canon.

      There are a couple of other Canon RT compatible systems, mainly from Phottix and Jinbei / Orlit, which are offering larger RT compatible strobes as well. The problem there though is all the third parties reverse engineer their Canon RT protocol a little different, so you can’t expect they will be compatible with each other and your YongNuo flash.

      And as a very brief summary the Phottix RT is generally known to be reliable, though higher priced. While the Jinbei / Orlit RT radio system is the least mature and will likely take some time to become more refined (particularly when using the Canon 5D MKIV camera).

      So it just depends on whether you want to expand into a larger system beyond speedlites. If you did want to go with Godox / Flashpoint you likely would be better off selling your YongNuo speedlite and going with a Godox / Flashpoint one instead, either the TT685 (AA Powered) or the V860II (Li-ion powered) and an Xpro / R2 Pro transmitter.

      There are Godox X1 TTL radio receivers available to attach to current Canon speedlites, though they are $40, and I’m really not sure about compatibility with YongNuo speedlites at this stage either. So it generally results in a smoother system putting the money towards a Godox speedlite with the compatible radio receiver built-in, rather than buying X1 receivers.

  17. Michael Quack 2 months ago

    Yongnuo flashes on top of Godox receivers work fine. Godox flashes, radio controllers
    and receivers speak Godox X between each other. Controllers, receivers and dedicated
    flash feet are bridges or hardware abstraction layers into Godox X.

    Godox thus isn’t directly compatible with Canon RT. Canon RT flashes on top
    of a Godox X1R-C receiver do work fine, though.

  18. Andy 2 months ago

    I used to own Yongnuo flash then switch all to Godox (or Flashpoint from Adorama).
    However, my V860II TTL is not consistent and unreliable ( I have 2). Now I go back to Canon 600EX-RT and plan to grab a few used ones for shooting wedding reception. The only advantage of V860II is Li-on battery and I don’t have to use battery pack (huge plus for me) and that’s the reason why I bought V860II (or flashpoint) in the first place.

    I wish future development of Godox speedlites is compatible with Canon RT system. Note that M mode on these flashes works perfectly.

    I also have AD200 and AD600 and they are perfect (I only use these strobes in M mode, so I can’t comment on TTL).

  19. Ganesh Naravian 2 months ago

    It’s Godox make or only Flashpoint version? Any idea about tube design is round or straight?

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      Hi Ganesh,

      Godox make the round head as the H200R. They will be available from Godox dealers as well.

      I’m told the flash tube is round (EDIT – spiral like the bare bulb).

      • Ganesh Naravian 2 months ago

        Thank you

      • qliq 2 months ago

        The flash tube is not round, but a style similar to the prodigious eVOLV200 bare bulb in the shape of a ‘U” curl. (Not the round design of the XPLOR600 Pro.) The tube is centered neatly, positioned vertically within a circular reflector that maximizes the output and delivers a clean, round illumination. Should be the best head yet for modifier free use in this modular flash.

  20. qliq 2 months ago

    And wouldn’t it be nice if this truly round flash head became the basic element of a TTL speedlight design – with the same interchangeable magnetic modifiers!
    Come on, Elvis… a concept version, please.

  21. John Wilson 2 months ago

    I don’t think it’s a Fresnel head. Reading this from the Adorama listing https://www.adorama.com/fplfevrh.html

    “You can snap in the best of traditional speedlite style Fresnel heads at GN170 (ft) or chose to use to the barebulb parabolic reflector head at GN 196 (ft) with super even spread, just by plugging it in.”

  22. John Wilson 2 months ago

    Godox has published more details http://www.godox.com/EN/Products_Witstro_H200R_Ring_Flash_Head.html

    Flash tube is a spiral mounted horizontally. LED is behind the tube, looks a better layout then the AD600.

    It’s unfortunate that they’ve called it a Ring Flash Head.

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      Yes, I think Godox will need to update that to Round Flash Head.

  23. alberto 2 months ago

    This looks promising. I hope the bowens mount adapter for the new AD400 will fit this head. The new extension cable I got from Adorama does not fit well with the S bracket. It’s a bit frustrating when Godox presents one solution that creates another inconvenience.

  24. Paul Rumohr 2 months ago

    Does anyone know if you have a soft box on an S Type Bracket, if can you slide the Round Head in and out easily?

    If you can’t that would be a major limitation in my opinion, unless Godox designed a new bracket to allow Bowens Mount light modifiers.

    • John Wilson 2 months ago

      The S-Type bracket will work if you slide the AD200 in from the front of the bracket.

      I really don’t thing this head is intended to be used with Bowens mount modifiers (though it might be interesting with an Aputure fresnel). In these modifiers it has little to offer over the bare bulb (just the modelling light). Used on its own, with the custom modifiers and with brollies it’s an interesting device.

  25. Paul Rumohr 2 months ago

    “The S-Type bracket will work if you slide the AD200 in from the front of the bracket.”

    Well, if that’s the case, that sucks. What a pain in the ass when I’m shooting a real job to have to pull off my light modifier to then slide in a light backwards and then remount the light modifier.

    I hope there’s a new bracket in the works.

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      Hi Paul,

      As John mentioned, I think the bare bulb head would generally be the better option in softboxes, though I understand for convenience you want to be able to use the same round head in both applications.

      I don’t know of anything, though I would think it only stands to reason that Godox would be working on an A1 style master speedlight with round head as well, so in that case they would need to create another S-type bracket.

      Looking at the AD200 round head though, I don’t think they have given this too much forethought though, otherwise I would have made the head a nice cylinder shape so that it could be clamped well.

  26. Jouko Lehto 2 months ago

    I just hope Godox will also make a tele / zoom head with this design for AD200… At least for 200mm lens FOV, maybe even tighter. I know a lot of nature photographers would love that – a powerful, yet light stobe, useable on camera (with the extra cord)… And, in studio etc, could be used as a snoot

  27. Isaac 2 months ago

    I have preordered mine already, but haven’t seen any release date information. Does anyone know when this is expected to be released? Just wondering how long my potential wait will be.

  28. Jim Watkins 2 months ago

    Elvis, since Godox is making more accessories for the AD200,and it seems they will be keeping it around, have you discussed with them about the one glaring weakness for this light in outside shooting situations. That being the very difficult to see LCD screen. I don’t get it, all of my other Wistro lights (AD180/360-V850/860II) have very easy to read screens outside, but the AD200 is impossible to see in bright sun. Any chance you could talk to Godox about selling a user replaceable screen that is viewable in bright sun?

    My pair of AD200’s along with the V860 II have become my outside location light setup, due to the ease of transporting, interchangeable heads and internal batteries. However it is just maddening that the newest light, the AD200, can’t have a screen as easy to read as my 4 year old AD360’s and V850’s.

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 months ago

      Hi Jim,

      I think Godox are already pretty well aware of the LCD issue. Though also there has been a big issue with people breaking the rear LCD panel cover, which Godox are well aware of as well.

      And if history is anything to go by I would expect they would be waiting to redesign the flash itself to address these issues properly. Personally I think the whole back edge of the flash needs to be a thick rubber bumper, and the rear interface recessed in slightly.

      They have been supplying replacement rear panels for people breaking them, so I could ask about a regular LCD replacement. Though as mentioned I would think its more likely they would want to put the resources towards a newly refined version of the flash that would address all the weak points properly together.

  29. Robert Hernandez 4 weeks ago

    Anyone have an idea as to when this product will start shipping?

  30. Javier 4 weeks ago

    Guide number with this head attached? The standard fresnel head is around 1/3 Ev less powerfull than the bare bulb.
    What about the round one ?
    Thanks.

    • Ken Tam 3 weeks ago

      3m
      1/1 Power
      Round head F8.2
      Fresnel head F11.8

      • Javier 2 weeks ago

        Thanks, there is more loss than I thought, 3.6 stops compared to fresnel head!

  31. Marcus 3 weeks ago

    Does anyone know the guide number difference between using the round head versus using the bulb with a standard reflector or even an umbrella reflector?

  32. Andy 2 weeks ago

    I wonder if Godox will create an evolv360?
    Same design but same power as AD360.

    I really like the AD400PRO but I think a compact more powerful version of the evolv200 would be amazing.

    • Author
      FLASH HAVOC 2 weeks ago

      Hi Andy,

      Well believe it or not the situation was Godox were categorically not going to do an AD400 or similar at all, which was dumbfounding considering this was the type of strobe I have been pushing for (and so many people asking for) since the original AD360 was released.

      When Flashpoint asked which should they do, the compact, or larger version, I said they really need to do both!. Because they both have their purpose, and should be the most popular strobes (within reason of price range).

      When the AD400 PRO were announced, the majority of people were writing them off as too expensive, with the AD600 PRO being better value. Now the 400 have starting to become available the mood has already flipped 180 degrees, with many people saying at 0.5 stops difference the 400 is better value.

      So to answer your question, I think Godox had zero intention of creating an evolv360. Though if the AD400 are a hit, then I think maybe anything could possibly be back on the table.

      The only thing that worries me is that it would likely be another battery, and possibly accessory format, and that is already getting out of control. When I suggested these things I had a clear overall concept of the full system and how it all works together conveniently, I don’t think Godox have that unfortunately.

      • John Wilson 2 weeks ago

        Apologies, I do rather bang on about the AD200 but…

        Rather than an AD360Pro I’d like to see an AD200Pro and an AD-B2Pro. The AD200Pro would have the Pro colour mode and fast recycle time but the controls would move to the side like the other Pro lights and the battery would clip on the back. The AD-B2Pro would have a single AD400Pro like bulb with two flash tubes in it and the AD400Pro LED behind the bulb. The two AD200Pros would mount the same way round so one of the control panels would be obscured. When a second AD200Pro was mounted it would immediately become a slave to the first. So that it would take on all the settings of the first and mimic any change of setting made on the control panel of the first. I believe there’s an serial communications pin on the existing AD200 interface this could be used to control the second AD200Pro.

        If you use the AD-B2Pro and a couple of EC-200s you get a good approximation of the existing AD360 setup with better weight distribution. You’d probably make a custom cable harness to support two AD200Pros though.

        The AD200Pro should be able to use all the AD200 heads and the AD200 should be able to use the AD-B2Pro

        • Author
          FLASH HAVOC 2 weeks ago

          Yes, my thought was a shorter (200Ws) version of the compact 360 would eventually follow. Again using the same battery mounted to the rear. And with the popularity of the round head, I wouldn’t have been surprised if they took over from the current AD200 in terms of popularity.

          I’m also back to the concept of modular heads. Before the original AD600 was released the concept I was suggesting was to have one strobe that split into a head and body, so you didn’t have to carry a duplicate head and swivel etc for remote head use. Which in some ways is what the AD200 eventually ended up doing instead.

          I don’t know if Godox currently have anything in the works in the way of an AD200 PRO, though I would be surprised if they weren’t working on something to at least resolve the issues of the interface getting broken so often at the rear of the flash. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they are at least working on some form of update.

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