FLASHPOINT – RoveLight RL-600 – Hands on Review

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UPDATE – June 2017 – The Adorama RoveLight RL-600, and RL-600B, have now been replaced by the ORLIT RoveLight RT 601 HSS, which are based on the Jinbei HD 601.

 

The new Adorama RoveLight RL-600, fully integrated Lithium-ion powered strobes are now available, and Adorama have very kindly expressed shipped a sample unit over while their great introductory promotion (was) running.

The RoveLight RL-600 are completely cordless 600WS units. With large 400+ shot capacity Lithium-ion battery module, and 2.4GHz radio receiver, all neatly built inside. Making the RoveLight very portable, powerful, and super fast to set up.

Flashpoint RoveLights are based on the Jinbei HD 600 flashes. Though as it turns out the Rovelights are actually based on the MK II model HD 600 II, which have a very impressive High Shutter Speed feature, which operates at any power level from Full power down to 1/16th.

(Please note – This High Shutter Speed mode uses a form of Long Duration Sync to provide the higher shutter speeds).

The RoveLights pack some serious power, and the High Shutter Speed mode is a very usable feature. These lights really are something new and a bit special with this new dual mode High Shutter Speed function. The Rovelights are going to be a serious weapon for wedding etc photographers who want to work fast without ND filters.

 

 

UPDATE – 14th October 2015 – Adorama have opened a transmitter exchange program for owners of the original RoveLights supplied with original version one transmitter units. 

The V2 version transmitters have added a power amplifier, increasing the transmitters power from 0-3 dBm, to around 14 dBm in the new units.

This has reportedly increased the transmitters range considerably, and Flashpoint are hoping this will improved overall consistency and reliability of the transmitters in general. 

 

 

FP RoveLight

 

The heart of the RL-600 is the large removable 14.8v 6600mAh Lithoum-ion battery, which simply slides into the rear of the flash. Providing 400+ full power shots with one charge. And all fitting neatly inside the flash body.

The battery modules are also available separately, and can be recharged outside the flash while another battery is in use.

 

FP RoveLight

 

The 600WS RoveLights features an LCD display, with full power level control from 1/1 to 1/128, in 1/3rd Stops.  

Power levels can be changed directly on the flash interface or through the 2.4GHz radio transmitter provided, and receiver built inside the flash.

The RL-600 are also IGBT flashes (in their regular mode), meaning they have very fast motion freezing flash durations at lower power levels, down to 1/15000th of a second.

S1 and S2 optic slave modes are provided, and recycle times are quite fast. There is a fast recycle mode option bringing full power recycle down from 4.5 seconds to 3.5 seconds (0.3 seconds at minimum power). At half power recycle is a very reasonable 1.5 seconds.

A Multi / Stroboscopic Mode is also provided.

 

FP RoveLight

 

Key Features –
  • 600 WS – Guide Number 61M @ 100 ISO
  • Built-in (Swappable) 14.8v 6600mAh Lithoum-ion Battery Modules
  • 400+ Full Power Shots Per Battery Charge
  • Built in 2.4GHz Radio Receiver with Remote Power Control
  • 22 Level Power Control – 1/1 to 1/128, in 1/3rd Stops
  • High Shutter Speed Mode – 1/1 to 1/16th Power (Requires HSS Trigger for Pre-sync Signal)
  • Selectable Recycle Speed with 0.3 – 3.5 Second (Fast) and 0.3 – 4.5 Second (Slow)
  • Audible and Ready LED Indicator
  • Trigger Single Frame, Stroboscopic or Flash Delay
  • s1 and s2 Optic Slave Modes
  • Built in 7W LED Modeling Lamp with Auto Off Timer Option
  • Flashpoint or Bowen’s Mount for Reflectors and Light Modifiers

 

From may initial testing the RoveLight appears to perform very well. Its very powerful, the recycle times are fast for a battery powered flash with this power, and power levels and consistency between shots is very accurate. Color consistency through the power levels appears quite good as well.

 

LED Modelling Light

 

The LED modeling light is 5 or 7 watts (specs differ), which appears to equates to around  a 75 watt incandescent globe. So its not particularly powerful, though still certainly useful at times. The LED can be set to auto-off in 60 seconds to save battery power, or stay on as long as the strobe is awake.

I don’t know if leaving the LED on for log periods would eventually burn it out, and I don’t really want to find out. The modelling light can also be turned on and off remotely from the supplied TRS remote / transmitter unit.

 

FP RoveLight

 

Accessory Mounts

 

RoveLights are available with 2 accessory mount options. The RL-600B shown here provides a standard Bowens S-type mount, while the standard RL-600 version have the Flashpoint accessory mount.

The Bowen’s mount is quite loose on the speedring inserts, so the supplied reflector and other smaller accessories can rattle around a bit. Though they definitely can’t fall out, and I actually found the loose mount to be an advantage for mounting softboxes etc quickly.

I also found the small reflector around the flash tube to be a big advantage when mounting and removing accessories quickly as well, as that acts as a bit of a shield, so you don’t have to be so careful around the fragile flash tube.

 

FP RoveLight

 

So softboxes etc mount up quickly and easily. The Phottix Luna 70cm shown below are a great combination with the RoveLight, as they snap oven quickly, and they are also nice and shallow so they doesn’t take up a lot of space.

Adorama also have a large range of their own well priced Glow and Flashpoint Softboxes available.

 

FP RoveLight

 

The RoveLight swivel mount is very sturdy and will easily support larger modifiers. The swivel handle is a little small, though it does the job ok. The aim here is to be small and portable.

Adorama have upped the spec on this swivel over the Jinbei version of this light. Which is a good advantage, as Jinbei are using the swivel really designed for a small speedlight. The downside is that there is no direct handle option available like the Jinbei units provide. It would be much more sturdy to place your own handle into the Rovelight swivel though.

The swivel is attached with two regular screws though, so it could easily be changed as well if you really wanted to. Though I think the RoveLight is solid and great as it is.

One thing to be aware of here though is the umbrella mounting hole appears to be designed for smaller 7mm, or a very neat fit on 8mm, diameter umbrella shafts only (where the original Jinbei mount allows for up to 10mm umbrella shafts).

 

FP RoveLight

 

Lithium-ion Battery

 

Th RoveLight has a large removable 14.8v 6600mAh Lithoum-ion battery, which simply slides into the rear of the flash. Providing 400+ full power shots with one charge.

As far as I understand this is Lithium Polymer, or LiPo, which are the long life Lithiun-ion batteries.

The battery itself is only about the size of a speedlite (folded), and weighs 640 grams. It slides in and out of the flash very quickly and easily. One small concern is that the clip on the battery looks like it could be broken easily, though this appears to be designed as replaceable part.

The RoveLight can not be used while connected to the charger, which is normal for most lights like this. Though a second battery could be charging outside the flash, while another is being used.

 

FP RoveLight

 

Also a small but very welcome detail is simply a manufacture date stamp on the battery.

Dramas with bad batches of the Godox Lithium-ion batteries have really highlighted how important some form of identification like this can be.

And of course you know exactly how old the battery actually is.

 

FP RoveLight

 

TRS Radio Transmitter

 

The RoveLights come with the simple TRS 2.4GHz radio transmitter unit, which provide pretty solid range, stated as around 80m. And a fairly basic power level adjustment.

The radio receiver is conveniently built inside the RoveLight, so there are no external receivers or cords needed (though they can also be used via the provided 3.5mm sync port).

I’ve had no issues with random fires or misfires, and the range appears quite good as most 2.4GHz triggers provide.

UPDATE / NOTE – The TRS transmitter actually has a small Reset Button inside the battery compartment (requires a pen tip etc to push). If you’re having any issues with the transmitter not turning on, or acting unusually etc, pressing this Reset Button may help to rectify those.

Over time the TRS transmitters have also proven to be less than reliable for many people, and other radio triggers are often used to fire the flash reliably, while the TRS is used separately just for remote power adjustments on the flash.

 

TRS Remote

 

Remote Power Control

Remote power control is still one area the Jinbei units could certainly do with an update. Though at least there is some remote power control ability already enabled.

Power levels are simply bumped up and down in 1/3rd stops from the transmitter. You are be relying on the sound beep from the flash, or actually seeing the flash display to be certain of the current power level set.

As you reach full or minimum power there are a number of beeps to let you know. So although basic, its really a fairly easy and very usable remote power adjustment.

There is also a modeling light switch and test fire button provided on the transmitter.

 

FP RoveLight

 

Adjusting Multiple Lights

The TRS transmitters at this stage are really only designed to adjust the remote power levels of one flash. Or possibly a number of flashes all at once (while retaining the power level ratios already set directly on the flashes). As there are no groups provided to adjust flashes independently.

Though lucky for those of us who like to squeeze out as much functionality as possible, there is actually a “catch all channel” (channel 15) provided, which fires all channels together. This means that the channels can actually be used as a work around in place of groups to adjust lights individually.

Though because the TRS transmitter unit uses small dip switches to change the channels, its simply not going to be practical to be changing channels with those tiny dip switches all the time.

So I think the practical way around this is to actually use one transmitter unit dedicated to each light, and set to a corresponding channel. And then an extra transmitter unit mounted on the camera hotshoe, and set to the “catch all channel” to fire all the flashes.

So there is a hand held remote unit, with a transmitter dedicated to each flash. They could be mounted together on a small cold shoe track or DIY base.

 

TRS Remote

 

This may look like a pretty elaborate work around, though it would only require one extra transmitter over those supplied with each flash unit.

And the functionality would actually be pretty convenient in some ways, as you could easily test fire each light separately for meter readings, because there is a dedicated test fire for button for each flash.

And the transmitter on the camera can then be used to test fire all lights together, and also very conveniently adjust all lights power levels at once (retaining ratios set) to compensate for ISO and aperture changes on the camera. This is a very convenient feature many other current radio triggers lack.

Unfortunately one small catch is that the transmitter units go into a sleep mode every 3.3 minutes of no use. Though you very quickly get used to the fact that you will need to hold the ON button for a few seconds before making power changes on the hand held remote.

So this is all a bit of a workaround, though still much better than running back and forth to flashes all the time to make small power adjustments.

Jinbei do also use the TRS remote for quite a number of their current flashes. So hopefully there is some possibility this transmitter may at the least be updated to one with a more convenient channel selection. Jinbei have asked about good transmitter interface options.

 

High Shutter Speed Mode

 

If a powerful fully cordless flash wasn’t enough, the RoveLights appear to have something pretty unusual and special with the new High Shutter Speed Mode feature.

The RoveLights as stated by Jinbie are Dual Mode flashes. And this appears to be switching from an IGBT flash to a regular voltage controlled flash in the High Shutter Speed Mode, which increases the flash durations at all power levels down to 1/16.

A long flash duration simply acts like a constant light source, at least for the short time the camera shutter is open. This in turn allows any shutter speed up to 1/8000th of a second to be used, just like using available light.

I have termed this method of achieving high shutter speeds Long Duration Sync, and commonly known manufactures terms for variations of this are HyperSync, SuperSync and Over Drive Sync.

And there is a graphic illustration and explanation of how regular HSS and Long Duration Sync function in the ODS (Over Drive Sync) post here.

A significant advantage of this method over the flash pulsing method which the recent Godox Witstro units use, is that there is no extra limit to the number of flashes allowed in HSS mode (the Witstro allow just 10 shots at full power).

And you don’t really need to worry about running to the flash and turning the High Shutter Speed mode on and off all the time either. As there is only a small loss in power (0.2 stops) in the High Shutter Speed mode. At full power there is no loss.

So this High Shutter Speed mode is significantly more practical (and powerful) than the Witstro units. The trade off though is slightly more light gradient across the image frame.

To set the High Shutter Speed mode on, hold the top right SET and EYEBALL button, and the High Shutter Speed symbol will appear at the top right of the LCD as shown (below the battery indicator).

 

FP RoveLight

 

Triggering High Shutter Speed Mode

For this High Shutter Speed mode to function though, an early fire signal, or “pre-sync” signal, is also needed. And that needs to be provided by a High Speed Sync enabled transmitter on the camera hotshoe.

Most TTL triggers should work reasonably well with this, though the popular YongNuo YN-622 offer one of the simplest and inexpensive options for Canon and Nikon cameras.

UPDATE – If the TRS transmitter is proving unreliable it may be best to just use other radio triggers like the YN-622C to actually trigger the flash, and the TRS can be hand held separately to provide remote manual power adjustments on the Rovelight.

A receiver is needed for every RoveLight used with this method though, and they are connected to the flash via PC sync cord (with a 3.5mm mini phone socket at the flash end).

 

FP RoveLight

 

Please Note – The TRS transmitter unit is the only unit which can remotely adjust the power levels of the RoveLights. No other radio triggers can do this.

So regardless of the method used to fire the flashes (with or without High Shutter Speed Mode) the TRS transmitter will always be needed (possibly in hand) if you want to remotely control the RoveLight power levels.

 

The Alternative triggering methods below allow the Rovelights internal radio receiver to be uses, so that no extra receiver units need to be attached to each strobe.

The disadvantage may be reduced reliability due to the TRS transmitter being relied upon to fire the flashes (with many users reporting their TRS are less than reliable for this).

 

The first trick here is to simply attach the regular FlashPoint TRS transmitter to the TTL transmitter on the camera. That way there are no extra TTL receivers required on the RoveLights themselves, so they can remain clean and wireless.

 

FP RoveLight

 

For Canon, the YN-622C unfortunately require an extra hotshoe to PC sync cord, as the PC sync port on the side of the YN-622C transmitter is where the pre-sync signal is provided.

The hotshoe and TRS transmitter are actually just sitting on top of the YN-622C hotshoe here, just as somewhere convenient to mount them. The only electrical connection is through the PC sync cord, not actually the YN-622C hotshoe.

This may not look particularly attractive, though the High Shutter Speed functionality is pretty amazing, and well worthwhile looking a little strange on the camera.

 

FP RoveLight

 

Nikon owners have it bit easier though, as the TRS transmitter can mount straight on top of the YN-622N hotshoe. No PC sync cord is needed with the YN-622N.

UPDATE – There appears to be some issues between the Nikon YN-622N and TRS transmitter when mounting as shown below. For some reason the TRS transmitter may not consistently fire in this configuration.

So with Nikon it may be necessary to also attach a YN-622N as receiver to the RoveLight itself. And only mount the YN-622N or YN-622N-TX on the camera hotshoe. The TRS transmitter then held in hand then to control the RoveLight power levels.

 

FP RoveLight

 

The recent YongNuo YN-622C-TX and YN-622N-TX are also very popular TTL transmitter units now. Though unfortunately they do not have any hotshoe on top, and they do not provide a PC sync out signal. So there is no way to access the pre-sync signal directly from the transmitter unit itself.

Another way to access the Pre-Sync signal then, is to attach the TRS transmitter to a YN-622C receiver instead. The TRS then relays the fire signal on to the RoveLights, and still not extra receivers are needed attached to the flash units.

The YN-622C receiver and TRS transmitter do not need to be mounted near the camera, they could be anywhere between the camera and lights. Though if you only have one TRS unit it would need to be close by to use the remote power level adjustment for the RoveLights.

This is also a method that could be used with most other TTL triggers which do not have a hotshoe or PC Sync out port on the transmitter.

 

FP RoveLight

 

 

High Shutter Speed Mode Results

Below is a direct comparison, in and out of High Shutter Speed mode, with the RoveLight and the Godox RS600P, and Witsro AD360. Which are 2 of the other very popular portable flash units at the moment. The AD360 also having a purpose designed High Speed Sync mode.

Surprisingly outside of High Shutter Speed mode the RoveLight is around one full stop more powerful than the RS600P when using the standard reflectors, and about 0.8 stops in a softbox as shown below (Phottix Luna 70cm used).

The RoveLight loses a couple of tenths at 1/250th shutter speed due to the longer flash duration at full power, though full frame cameras with 1/200th x-sync would not be affected by that small loss anyway.

The AD360 being a 300WS flash (as opposed to 600WS for the other two units) is another stop lower than the RS600P. So a quite significant 1.8 stops below the RoveLight compared in the softbox.

 

HSS Comparison

 

So as the image above shows, the RoveLight provides significantly more light, in and out of the High Shutter Speed mode. And that’s a major bonus considering they are also much more convenient to use the High Shutter Speed mode compared to the AD360.

The Godox RS600P is a little disappointing at full power using the Long Duration Sync method, though it doesn’t technically have any HSS mode, so that is no fault of the flash. We are just relying on the existing long flash durations already available. Being a voltage controlled flash the gradient does get more even at lower power levels. The RS600P can’t anywhere near match the RoveLight at any power level, though at least they are usable for Long Duration Sync (which is very handy when mixing with the AD360 etc)

The AD360, using a flash pulsing method to produce a longer flash duration, provides a more even frame (or less gradient), than the RoveLight. Though the big trade off for that is a 10 shot limit, and needing to turn the HSS mode on and off directly on the flash. So at full power its often better to leave the HSS mode off with AD360 and just use the regular long flash duration instead (which has more gradient).

The Gradient in the RoveLight High Shutter Speed frame above may look significant, though this is generally hardly noticeable in a regular image mixing ambient light and flash in the frame. I have to use a plain white wall here to see what is actually happening.

If it helps to understand the loss or gain with High Shutter Speed mode here, if using an ND filter instead of High Shutter Speed mode to open the camera aperture, the left frames above would look exactly the same as the right. So all flashes are losing a little light over an ND filter.

The advantage is the speed and convenience of not having to use the ND filter. Or not having to close the aperture as far if trying to underexpose the ambient light.

So with the power the RoveLight provides, this is really a very significant and usable High Shutter Speed feature, if you’re interested in the High Shutter Speed method.

TIP – HSS is commonly used to achieve wider apertures for narrow depth of field in bright ambient light. ND filters on the camera lens are the other common method of achieving this. Though they do not provide any advantage for freezing motion as higher shutter speeds can do.

For more information on how HSS and Long Duration Sync methods work please see this post.

 

Form Factor

 

This was always going to be swings and roundabouts. The RoveLight are an all in one completely cordless unit. The big advantage of that is the speed of having everything in one unit always ready to go. And a nice reduction in size, and more significantly a reduction in gear clutter.

At around 2.8kg the RoveLights are about 200 grams lighter than the ($2000) Profoto B1 for example. Though they are still a significant chunk of weight to either be hand holding over your head for any length of time, or to prop up high on anything but a decent solid light stand, let alone a boom arm.

It is still impressive the amount of light output and battery power the RoveLight provide in the reasonably compact package they are though. As an interesting comparison, the soon to be released YongNuo YN300W lights are larger, considerably heavier, without any internal battery, and still only half the power of the smaller RoveLight.

(That’s not to say the YN300W ar not impressive studio lights).

 

FP RoveLight

 

Compared with the popular Godox RS600P, the RS600P battery pack is over 3kg alone. The whole package with case, flash head, and cord, is closer to 4.8kg. Compared to just 2.8kg for the RoveLight (which is surprisingly putting out significantly more light as well).

The RS600P, and lights like the Elinchrom Quadra, definitely still have their advantages though too. The RS600P head weighs next to nothing (as there’s nothing inside it), so its much easier to hand hold up high for any period of time (the battery pack is no stress slung over your shoulder).

Where the RoveLight almost definitely needs a support pole for holding up high for anything more than a short time. So depending on what your regular use would be things like that may need to be factored in.

 

FP RoveLight

 

Mounting the Rovelight on a light stand you would be wasting your time with anything but a decent solid medium stand. (That’s not to say you can’t get relatively inexpensive and solid stands as shown).

The RS600P are heavier to move around (4.8kg vs 2.8kg), though all the weight is at the bottom if the stand, so you can lift the stand with one hand and there is no chance of it overbalancing. Where the RoveLight is easy to lift, though you do need to be conscious of the weight up top when moving it around.

And then there is the fact that the RS600P has built in ballast with the battery back at the base of the stand. Even outdoors this is often enough to weigh the stand down fairly securely, where the RoveLight is definitely going to need extra sandbags at times.

 

FP RoveLight

 

So there are advantages and disadvantages to either system, and they are both likely to suit some people better than others.

Ideally even wireless lights like the RoveLight would eventually be designed with the option of a remote corded head when needed, so you have both options then, and the best of both worlds.

And another great option would simply be a 300WS version of the RoveLight. With the power this light has, half of that would still be fantastic, and at around 60% of the size and weight.

 

Carry Case

 

Like many portable strobe units, the RoveLights come with a nice padded case and shoulder strap. This is not just a soft fabric case, as there is still a rigid frame inside.

The RoveLight fits in fully assembled and ready to go. And there is room for extra battery modules and charger etc.

 

FlashPoint RoveLight

 

As nice as the case is, one small catch is that the strap holds the case on the wider side. That way the zipper opening flap remains at the top where there is no weight on it.

For the same reason there is no regular handle on either side of the case. So the only handle option is the shoulder strap , supporting the case on its its wider side.

Its still nice to have decent case provided though.

FlashPoint RoveLight

 

UPDATE – Flashpoint Mount –

 

A number of people who have purchased the Flashpoint mount version of the RoveLight have pointed out a few anomalies over the original Bowen’s mount version.

Adorama’s current Flashpoint mount appears to be very similar to a mount used by the German strobe manufacturer Multitblitz, in particular the Multiblitz V-Type mount.

UPDATE – We have one report of a person trying a Multiblitz V-Type speedring on the Flashpoint mount RoveLight and it did not fit. So its still unclear if Multiblitz are actually compatible or not.

When adapting this mount to the RoveLight though, for some reason the small concave reflector around the flash tube was not retained from the original Bowens mount version, and a flat reflector plate used instead. This can be a little bit of a negative, as the concave reflector helps to protect the flash tube when mounting modifiers etc.

Rovelight RL600

 

Another issue at the time of writing this though, is that the Flashpoint mount light does not come with the smaller 5″ (actually 5 1/8″) compact reflector and diffuser cap, which the original Bowen’s mount light comes with standard.

Adorama have been providing a free 8″ Flashpoint reflector instead. The advantage of which is that there are 8″ grid sets available to fit this reflector.

The disadvantage though is that umbrella mounting hole cut into the 8″ reflector does not actually line up with the umbrella mount on the RoveLights base.

EDIT / UPDATE – Some buyers have reported the umbrella shaft is now lining up correctly with the hole in recent 8″ reflectors provided with the RL600.

And also the larger 8″ reflector is not as compact, and will not fit in the RoveLight case, all set up and ready to go like the compact reflector allows. The compact reflector also comes standard with a nice diffuser cover, which the 8″ reflector does not come with.

UPDATE – Flashpoint mount Rovelight owners have been reporting a couple more issues –

The Flashpoint mount has no locking pin or mechanism like the Bowens mount does, and the spring clips are not very strong, so heavier modifiers can twist and actually fall right out of the mount.

Also the Flashpoint Speedring which can be used to fit into other standard softboxes so that they can be mounted on the FlashPoint mount Rovelight, are reportedly a slightly larger diameter than other regular speedrings. This effectively makes the softbox rods longer, putting stress and extra tension on the softbox fabric.

 

Technical Specs –

 

FP RoveLight Specs

 

 

FP RoveLight

 

Overall the FlashPoint RoveLights are very impressive and well priced all in one portable flashes.

And with the support from Adorama, they should really provide a lot of bang for buck.

 

UPDATE – 14th July 2015 – PLEASE NOTE – Jinbei have released an updated version of the HD 600 II, now called the HD 600 V.

And the HD 600 V have more sophisticated radio transceiver modules built inside, which are unfortunately no longer compatible with the original HD 600 II and Flashpoint RoveLight radio system and transmitter units.

At this time the HD 600V are just supplied with a similar version of the original TRS transmitter unit labelled the TRS-V. Though the radio modules built inside the HD 600 V flash units are designed to accommodate more sophisticated transmitter units which should eventually come from Jinbei.

Flashpoint are still waiting on details of what new transmitter options may be possible with the RoveLights (nothing is guaranteed though).

 

 

PRICE AND AVAILABILITY –

 

The original FlashPoint RoveLights RL-600B are now discontinued.

The replacement ORLIT RoveLight RT 601 HSS strobes are now available from $449.

 

RL-600B Replacement Battery Modules are still available here – $150.00

RoveLight – Original User Manual PDF

RoveLight – Overview

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265 Comments
  1. Daniel 2 years ago

    “Flashpoint are working on a new transmitter unit for the current RoveLights”

    Where did this come from?

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      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Daniel,

      It came from Flashpoint. They don’t want to promise or guarantee anything yet though until they have tested they have a good working solution.

    • joe 2 years ago

      It’s $480 again.

  2. Nathaniel 2 years ago

    Yes… Joe. A month ago when they were out of stock the price for both the Flahspoint and Bowens Mount (at least the edu pricing) was $479…

    They are now in stock and the Bowens went up $120 and the Flahspoint went down $80.

    One reason could be that no one wants the Flashpoint mount and they are trying to get them out.

    I was hoping to buy three, but now for $120 more each, just not going to happen.

  3. Perry 2 years ago

    Just want to clarify the difference between this Rovelight and the slightly different Jinbei HD 600. I just found the Jinbei used and am hoping to trigger it with Yongnuo 622C triggers in HSS. The seller was able to do so with Pocket Wizards, so it seems that the 622C’s should work. Can you confirm that this is the case? Thank you

    • Neil 2 years ago

      Hi Perry

      Yes the 622 can be used to trigger these strobes at higher than x-sync speeds – if you have a pair of 622’s then it is best to directly connect one to the strobe via a cable. FH have outlined earlier what is the required setup with only one 622 trigger.

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      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Perry,

      The Rovelight is based on the Jinbei HD600 II.

      The original HD600 did not have the high shutter speed mode. Though the flash duration may be long enough at full power to provide reasonable results in the regular flash mode.

      • Perry 2 years ago

        Connected my YN622C-TX to my 5D3 and a 622c trigger to my first generation HD-600 and I sync fine except at full power. 1/3 stop below full power and I can sync up to 1/8000. I don’t understand how this functionality is different from the newer Jinbei. Works for me!

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          Flash Havoc 2 years ago

          Thanks Perry.

          I’m not too sure how the original HD 600 operate then. I thought they were IGBT flashes as well, though that may not be the case then (if you can’t get a good result at full power).

          Does the flash auto dump (fire the flash once automatically) when you turn the flash power down?

          There are oscilloscope readings here now of the HD 600V (same H-mode as the HD 600 II / RoveLight) which confirm what we very much suspected, that the lights are operating as IGBT flashes outside H-mode, and as voltage controlled flashes when H-mode is turned on.

          Switching to voltage controlled flashes provides a long flash duration at power levels other than just full power. And Jinbei would have optimized this to give the best results (long even light fall off) for the long duration sync method.

          In regular mode the flash then still very has fast durations at low power levels for freezing motion etc.

          So we would either need someone to get a scope reading on the original HD-600 as well. Or just compare the results side by side to the later flashes at higher shutter speeds to see what the difference in results are. I would expect the H-mode provides more light, and more even light, though that may not necessarily be the case.

  4. nem 2 years ago

    Hi Admin,
    For a v850/HD-600II combo, is a Cells II+TRS with a FT-16-in-hand a reliable option or have there been problems reported like with the YN-622c+TRS as described on this page? If so, would a second Cells II synced to the strobe and the TRS in hand be the way to go? More importantly – beyond the extra handle on the HD-600V, is there an improved triggering system? Trying to decide between waiting for it to land here in NZ, importing it for USD$600 from TPG or getting the HD-600II for USD$550 locally. Thanks!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Nem,

      The Cells II + TRS combination work fine if the TRS transmitter is working ok. But the TRS transmitter is the weak link, so sooner of later you will likely want to remove it from being relied on in the firing system.

      So yes a Cells II attached to the flash via sync cord, and set to receiver is a more reliable alternative. If you don’t have any Cells II yet though it may be worth considering a YN-622C / N and YN-622C-TX / YN-622N-TX as well.

      The HD-600V have a new radio module in them which will be compatible with future transmitter units offering more features. The transmitter will have the pre-sync signal ability built in (for Canon or Nikon). There appears to be no advantage with the current TRS-V transmitter though (just as poor as the TRS).

      So its up to you, though I would personally wait for the HD-600V version if buying Jinbei.

      Flashpoint are going to continue on with the HD-600 II compatible Rovelight units for a some time, so there is likely to be a split between the 2 systems for a while.

      Flashpoint are working on a new transmitter, though the current lights don’t even have a group functionality built into the receiver, so at best this would be fudged using channels instead. The Rovelights have the better support though so there are advantages to each, and the Rovelights (HD-600 II compatible) will remain popular regardless.

      • nem 2 years ago

        “The HD-600V have a new radio module in them which will be compatible with future transmitter units offering more features.”

        Thanks for info! Seems promising. I will wait and ask the distributor when they plan to stock the HD-600V.

        No Cells yet, so I have considered the YN-622N-TX too but am not sure there is any use for that commander unit in a v850/HD-600II combo? Maybe two YN-622Ns would be the best bet, then at least the FT-16 can sit on top. Then hopefully I’d be able to replace those with an X1-N.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 2 years ago

          Ok sorry, I forgot about your V850 in the mix. The Cells II-N would make more sense in that case, and they generally provide around 0.3 stops more light with the high shutter speed mode than the YN-622N (without timing adjustment).

          The X1-N may not be too far away either, though they are probably only half the solution until Godox have the 2,4GHz FTR-16s receivers available for the V850.

  5. Ryan L 2 years ago

    Nathaniel the Bowens mount version is now back to $479.

  6. SH Sumon 2 years ago

    anyone got Jinbei HD 600V with TSR-V ? … if yes do we still need another trigger for HSS

    • Neil 2 years ago

      Hi Simon
      Yes you will still require a set of triggers to be able to trigger the HD 600V in HSS mode. such as Godox Cells II, YN-622, Odin or similar HSS triggers pending on the mix of strobes you may have

      The TRS-V trigger has a different radio channel from the previous version but will still not trigger in HSS.

    • Dan 2 years ago

      I just received a Jinbei HD 600V from China. I haven’t tried the HSS yet but I imagine it’s the same as the Flashpoint? You will need another trigger to make the HSS work. I will report back on my experience with this light.

      • SH Sumon 2 years ago

        I also got HD600V and HSS don’t work with TSR-V trigger. So I have ordered a pair of 622N.

        • Dan 2 years ago

          Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that HSS worked with the TRS-V trigger. I also have a YN-622N that I tried with the TRS-V mounted on top and HSS worked just fine. I haven’t done a shoot with it yet so I will report back if I have any issues once I do.

          • Neil 2 years ago

            Hi Dan
            If you have two 622 triggers then it would be best to direct connect to the HD600 via a cable, this will ensure each shutter release triggers the strobe, as the TRS triggers do auto sleep and this may mean you miss a shot.

            • Dan 2 years ago

              Hi Neil,

              I use one YN-622N mounted to the camera (Nikon) and the TRS-V trigger on top of that. I noticed the TRS-V trigger does go to sleep but it usually won’t be a problem for me. If that concerns you I would try your way to see if that works for you.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Yes as Neil mentioned, the HD 600 V and TRS-V transmitter are on a different frequency now to the current Rovelights and transmitter.

        The HSS mode is the same in the HD 600 V and the HD 600 II / RovleLight, though the TRS-V transmitter does not provide the pre-sync signal at this stage either, so you do need alternate triggers like the YN-622, Odin, Godox Cells II, PocketWizard Control TL etc.

        • Nathaniel Downes 2 years ago

          Has anyone tried the Godox X1 as the pre-sync trigger on the rovelight?

  7. Jesse Patterson 2 years ago

    Hey everyone! Has ther been any updates on an improved trigger for the Rovelight 600?

    • Dan 2 years ago

      Hi Jesse,

      I have the new version with the TRS-V trigger. I haven’t had any problems with it so far. It does go to sleep, which is annoying. But overall it functions pretty well.

  8. Mike 2 years ago

    Ugh, yeah I so bad want to pull the trigger on these lights but the crappy trigger really is bothering me. Not so much about the HSS because I already have the 622 triggers but for quality.

    • Dan 2 years ago

      I may be selling mine?

  9. Rob 2 years ago

    I received my new Flashpoint Rovelight triggers v2 last week and after extensive testing in the house and outside, we have a winner! Cosmetically, the original trigger and the new v2 look identical but inside is where the magic happens. I first tested at night placed the light just inside the closet so I could see the room illuminate when flash and went outside about 75ft away with both triggers. The original simply would not fire but the v2 fired each time. I then extended the range 100ft, behind 3 walls inside the house and again the v2 trigger fired every time. Now if Flashpoint could update the remote once more and place an display for power increase/decrease on the unit this would be even better!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Thanks Rob. Keep us posted on how well they hold up.

      My concern is the V1 transmitters just being a little flaky in general. Mine simply doesn’t like to turn on all a times, and plenty of other people have reported flaky behavior as well.

      Regarding a transmitter with display, hopefully FlashPoint will be getting some details from Jinbein pretty soon as to what if anything is going to happen in that regard.

  10. Rob 2 years ago

    Well after testing this new v2 trigger the past three days I have to give it an No-go. The trigger seems to fire each time the on my Sony A7II and A7r. The trigger will still time out after about 3.5 minutes of non use. But here is what’s interesting, if I increase or the power level in a rapid succession the remote will turn it self off.

    Likewise, if you go past the highest or lowest power setting on the remote by four clicks it will power itself off. This may not be important to some but for me I really dislike that especially when you take a photo with a group of people in front of you and you increase the power using the remote and mistakenly go past 1/1 and the remote just stop working.
    So what are the chances that I received a defective remote? I have two Rovelights and two brand new v2 triggers and they both exhibit the same behavior. Ironically, I ordered 2 Jinbei TRS triggers last year and tried them right along side of the v2 and they do not exhibit this behavior.

    Pros: Increased operating distance

    Cons: Operation is questionable Sometimes it works other times it will not

    I will still keep the light becauseI still think it is a great value but I will use the Odin to operate them. anyone else having issues?

  11. Steve 2 years ago

    Hi,
    I love your website!
    I hope you can help me. I am a photography student and just bought a Rovelight with the new trigger.

    I also have 3 Yongnuo 600-ex-rt. I have the Yongnuo YN-E3-RT transmitter.

    Can I fire the Rovelight and Yongnuo Speedlites with what I have above? I do want to use HSS too.

    If not, what do I need and what is the setup?

    Thank you for your help.

    Steve

    • Tony M 2 years ago

      Hi Steve,
      I use Canon 600EX-RT’s together with the Rovelights and the Yongnuo YN-E3-RT to trigger everything. In order to get all of these working, you’ll need to get the Yongnuo YNE3-RX for the Rovelights. They work great with the Rovelights plugged into the sync port. Then, everything you’ve got will be working on the RT system! You’ll need to manually set your Rovelights as far as the power settings etc,. I’ve had 100% success using the RX receivers to trigger the Rovelights.

      What I do is I keep each one of my supplied transmitters with me, color coded to the lights 1 & 2. Then, I can use those to just change the power if I need to – as long as you can keep a mental note of where they’re at – and have the audio alert set you can hear it beep as you go up or down. They work just fine in conjunction with the RX units. So if your Rovelights are a little too far away to go over to and adjust, consider this.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Thanks for that feedback Tony.

  12. Alaa Bayer 2 years ago

    any news about he new transmitter which is controlling groups ???

    and is the exchange is only for reverlight or also for jinbei ??

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Alaa,

      Jinbei are meant to be showing a sample of a new transmitter soon. Though this has been going on for quite some time, and I really don’t even know what they will have to offer (as its likely the RoveLight receivers have limited ability).

      So I wouldn’t want to get anyone’s hopes up with this any further. Flashpoint are even looking to other possibilities, but again I fear we are really getting to the point now where lights like the new Godox AD600MB may just make more sense. So I’m still not sure whats going to happen.

  13. piak 2 years ago

    Hi All,

    Could anyone help me please?

    I just bought Jinbei HD 600v it come with the TRS-V remote.

    Q1: To do HSS I will just need only a pair of YN-622?

    Q2: Same as Steve and Tony, I also have 2 Yongnuo 600-ex-rt and YN-E3-RT, How could I use and trigger all these HD600v and 600-Ex-rt together?

    I’m really appreciated all instruction to make it work.
    Thanks you very much

  14. JULIO 2 years ago

    I want to be able to use HSS as well with this rovelight as well as trigger my SB-910 on HSS. I was wondering which Pocketwizard set up/configuration i need in order to have my monolight, speedlight and camera in sync. I’m not worried about being able to control the rovelight’s remotely. I can always walk over to the light and do it manually. I just can’t seem to get an answer from adorama or pocket wizard on which triggers specifically i need. I’ve been looking into the pocketwizard FlexTT5 and MiniTT1. If anyone can help me out, I’d greatly appreciate it. Thanks

  15. Marcus 1 year ago

    Is there any way to achieve ttl with the rovelight on the Sony system

    • Amir 1 year ago

      There’s no way to do it on ANY system as this is inherently a manual light.

  16. mike 1 year ago

    The V-2 still has problems. However, the R-1 remote and HSS receiver work well.

    I was thinking about getting a couple of younuo’s, what would be the best one’s and best scenario’s.? I know the 600 ex’s are supposed to be good, but what about the new 685 (both do TTL from my understanding). I know the 2 systems aren’t compatible, so I’d have to get either flashpoint receivers for the young’s, or a youngnuo receiver for the flashpoint.

    Would putting the youngnuo receivers on the rove light and youngnuo transmitter on my camera allow me to do TTL and HSS…and just forget about the rove light HSS transmitter and receiver?

    Any experience with the new flashpoint r-2 transmitter that just came out. It’s supposed to do TTL and HSS. If i went this route, I’d have to get the new transmitter, and new receivers for the youngnuo’s, correct?

  17. Isreal 1 year ago

    I recently purchased the rovelight fp 600 B but when it arrived it was the 600 I received. I don’t want to return it because of the cost involved in returning it to the states, I’m in Ghana and it expensive returning it and the time I will have to waste in making sure it even leaves the shores of Ghana. I was wondering if there’s an adapter to a bowens mount I can purchase instead of returning the whole bag back. Please I need help and will appreciate it if anyone can doe a link to where I can get the converter to my email. Isrealdelike@gmail.com … Thanks

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Isreal,

      I’m not aware an adapter from Flashpoint to Bowens.

      Was this Adorama’s mistake, and have you contacted them yet? As I would think they would help somehow if this was as mistake at their end.

      You can also contact Helen Oster as she is very helpful with situations like this – helen.oster@adoramacamera.com

  18. Tony M 1 year ago

    I know it’s way late in the life cycle of these things, but I’ve just discovered that my set works flawlessly receiving Canon RT radio signals. I’ve used these optically, I’ve even used them with Yongnuo RX units via cable, but it wasn’t until I accidentally discovered they will work with a Canon RT master. I’ve used with both a 600EX-RT and a Yongnuo E3-RT.

    Weird.

    Bottom line, I’ve done several shoots in homes with these in different rooms, I’ve had more problems with the crappy YN-600EX-RT keeping its link. (piece of junk). The Rovelights and Canon 600EX-RT’s didn’t miss a beat.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Tony,

      I’d love to be wrong, though I seriously doubt there is any direct radio compatibility with the Canon RT system. I’d say the RoveLights optic slave must be firing the flash.

      If you cover the optic sensor well with gaffa tape does the strobe still fire?

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 1 year ago

        You had me intrigued enough to try this, though the Canon or YongNuo transmitters do not even fire unless they have established a link with a slave flash unit. And they are not linking with the Rovelight, so they can’t fire them via radio.

        I think you must have another slave RT speedlite triggering the Rovelight via optic.

  19. Nathaniel Downes 1 year ago

    FYI – on sale right now at Adorama for $369 for the Bowens mount version. They said it is a 2-day sale, but sometimes their sales last longer than advertised.

    I love mine (have 2). However, my next light has to be the HSS TTL Flashpoint (Godox) light…

  20. Frank Donnino 1 year ago

    I have the Flashpoint 600 (non bowens mount)

    Do you know of any speedrings (or softboxes / beauty dishes) that work with this flash?

    Between the bad transmitter and a bad mounting system, I wish I had done more research before buying this unit.

  21. Louis V Serrano 1 year ago

    How to trigger a flashpoint rl-600 wireless with a l-358

  22. Michał 1 year ago

    I have a problem with this flash. IN HSS mode with YN622C and Canon 5d mk2 Rovelight loss in power more than 1EV… sometimes flash doesn’t sync with camera.

  23. Chris L 1 year ago

    I purchased the flashpoint rovelight 600 and the YN-622N-TX as well as some YN-622N receivers.

    I have the YN-622N-TX connected to a Nikon D700 in TTL mode (Tried manual as well) and the YN-622N to the rovelight via pc sync cable.

    On the YN-622N-TX i have upgraded to the latest firmware 1.06. Regardless of What i set the YN-622N-TX to, Manual, TTL, or SS (tried every setting from Auto, 0.1 to 3.0 in every step increment) i cannot get the rovelight to work in HSS. As low as 1/320s I can see the shutter. By 1/1000s i have but a small sliver exposed.

    I have tried all this with the Rovelight in Manual, Multi and with HSS sync icon activated.

    I’ve been trying various combinations for hours, but can’t seem to find out what I’m doing wrong. All the equipment was ordered new in July 2016 from Adorama and Amazom.

    My Rovelight has always been set to 1/1 power, with occasionally going down to 1/16th. Still no luck….

    And yes, my camera is set to Auto-FP

    Any guidance?

    • Chris L 1 year ago

      The focus AF light doesnt work on either the YN-622N-TX or the YN-622N regardless of whether it is turned on or not. If my internal focus assist light is set to on, it will light up without a yongnuo trigger attached, but will not light up with yongnuo trigger/transceiver attached (but neither will the AF assist on the yongnuo light up)

      • Chris L 1 year ago

        Serknor on the page http://flashhavoc.com/yn-622-af-assist-light/ provided a solution to the AF assist light on the YN622N / TR – the setting has to be toggled with the TR/transceiver removed from the camera. Now only if I can get HSS to work….

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Chris,

      I’m really not too sure whats going wrong there.

      Do you have any other cameras or radio triggers to try, to compare the results?

      It sounds like you’re not getting the pre-sync signal at all for some reason, though I don’t have a D750 so I’m not sure what the results will look like with regular non HSS triggers.

      Its likely either a setting on the camera somewhere, or you do possibly have faulty YN-622N.

      Do you have a Nikon speedlite, if so possibly connect that to the YN-622N receiver via PC sync cord and set it to full power, and see what result you get. That would help narrow down if the strobe may be the issue, though I doubt that.

      EDIT – Also have you done a factory reset on the transmitter and receiver? Any time there is an issue that’s the first thing to do. Along with checking the batteries are not the issue.

  24. Tony Meador 1 year ago

    This is probably way too late to mention this – but the Rovelight receives signals just fine from a Canon 600EX-RT or Yongnuo YN-E3-RT. I had been using a YNE3-RT plugged in to trigger my Rovelights in conjunction with Canon Speedlites.

    One day I hadn’t hooked up a Rovelight, but it was turned on, and I noticed it fired along with my speedlites. Yup, it works just fine. So, I just keep their controller(s) in my pocket to change the light setting and that’s it. Sure, I have to set the HSS on the light as well – but this is as close to perfect (other than full camera control) as I could expect. I shoot Real Estate, so typically I’ll have one of these lights upstairs or in another room. I just press the controller and listen for the beep – up or down – and I know what my setting is.

    This was a game changer for me, and I’m not at all worried about switching any time soon unless it’s something far more compact.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Tony,

      You mentioned that here a few months ago. Though I tried it to check and as I would expect there is no connection between these 2 radio systems.

      I would guess you most have the optic slave turned ON on the RoveLight, and that is then being triggered by your speedlite flashing.

  25. Doug 7 months ago

    With everything I”ve read, I still don’t understand which triggers, and receivers would help control a Canon 600EX RT off camera, along with the Rovelight 600, using a Canon 5d Mkiii . Shooting in manual or HSS. I watched a very comprehensive video Using the Yongnuo 600ex-rt and YN-E3-RT Together……….https://youtu.be/XA-kBh0DNhw I do have the updated V2 trigger that will adjust the Rove power and trigger the Rove to flash when on my Canon, but it would be nice to be able to use my Canon flash too.

  26. Rich 7 months ago

    Anyone find a decent source for the replacement batteries? Both of mine died in under two years. Grabbed one with a rare ebay coupon for $125 a few months ago, but this model for $139 is cheapest I’ve seen. Wish Adorama would have a sale on them from time to time. I’m sure a lot of the original owners are seeing failures by now.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/121598338304?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

  27. Elizabeth 7 months ago

    I am new to these devices. I just bought a flashpoint 600 at an auction. The catch is this flashpoint is from 1998. Does anybody have a clue where i could get a manual for it? Google didn’t help much at all. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Beth

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 7 months ago

      Hi Beth,

      If you contact brands@adorama.com they should be able to help you out with the Flashpoint gear.

      I’m not that familiar with all the old Flashpoint strobes, though Mettle was one of the common units re-branded as Flashpoint.

  28. magaly 4 months ago

    Hello good night, they will sell the incandescent globe of a lamp flashpoint rl-600?

    My lamp went down and the focus was fused

    i need help!!! 🙁

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