GODOX – Announce SONY TTL, V850II, V860II, QT600II, Coming Soon

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Godox have announced a number of new products expected to be available within the second quarter of 2016.

Most significantly the introduction of Sony TTL to the Godox X series of 2.4GHz radio triggers and radio enabled flash units.

As well as mark II versions of the popular Lithium-ion powered V850V860 speedlights, and QT600 studio strobes, all moving to now include X series radio system built inside.

 

2016

 

SONY TTL COMPATIBILITY

 

Godox have announced the introduction of Sony TTL to the Godox X series of 2.4GHz radio triggers and radio enabled flash units.

Godox are exhibiting the Sony X1S version of the X1 TTL radio triggers, though from what we understand the Sony version of the TT685 speedlight will likely be available first, with the X1S TTL triggers to follow shortly after.

Sony versions of the other popular Godox speedlights and bare bulb flashes are then likely to follow eventually as well.

Its most likely these will only be available with the current Sony Multi Interface hotshoe design.

 

GODOX X1-S

 

 

V850II & V860II SPEEDLIGHTS

 

As expected Godox will also be releasing mark II versions of the popular Lithium-ion powered V850 and V860 speedlights, also to be available in the second quarter of 2016.

The V850II and V860II will now include 2.4GHz Godox X series radio transceivers built inside, providing both radio Master and Slave modes.

 

The V860II-C for Canon, and V860II-N for Nikon, are currently set to offer basically the same functions as the current TT685C and TT685N speedlights provide.

This currently allows for 3 slave flash groups A / B / C. Though unfortunately no GR Group Mode for the Canon version V860II-C Master interface.

(We very much hope Godox will possibly still add the GR Group Mode, and 5 groups to each flash. Though there has been no confirmations of that from Godox at this stage).

 

GODOX V860II

 

The remote manual V850II are already set to provide 5 flash groups though, in both Master (M / A / B / C / D / E), and Slave modes (A / B / C / D / E).

The V850II, being single firing pin flash units are universal for mounting on any camera with a regular hotshoe.

Though they can only provide HSS when used off camera as a radio slave flash, and with compatible transmitter units like the X1T-C and X1T-N etc.

 

GODOX V850II

 

 

QT600II AC POWERED STROBES

 

Godox have also announce a mark II version of their original QT600, fast flash duration, 600Ws, IGBT enabled, AC powered studio strobes.

GODOX QT600II

 

The QT600II also now include 2.4GHz Godox X series radio receivers built inside, and provide an LCD interface similar to the AD600B.

(The X1T-C and X1T-N transmitter units do not currently provide the 1/10th power scale which Godox AC powered strobes generally use though, so its not quite clear how the strobes and transmitters will link together as yet).

GODOX QT600II

 

 

AD600B & AD600BM STROBES

 

The AD600B TTL, and AD600BM Remote Manual, all in one Lithium-ion powered strobes are already available in some areas, though Godox should have these ready for the North American market around the end of March, or Early April 2016.

Adorama will provide both the TTL and Manual versions as the Flashpoint XPLOR 600.

 

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156 Comments
  1. Phil 11 months ago

    There are 3 different versions of the flashes, Canon, Nikon and Sony. But I’ve also read that they can all load firmware from all of the manufacturer’s, so the Canon flash can load Sony firmware and effectively become a Sony flash. Is that correct?

    The reason I ask is I have a mix of Canon and Sony cameras and I’d like to be able to fire the flashes from either camera. For example, if I buy a AD360II-C (Canon), will I be able to fire it from an X1S (Sony)?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Phil,

      No you can’t load Sony firmware into a Canon version flash. Though with the AD600 and AD360II they now have Canon, Nikon, and Sony radio slave modes, regardless of whether they may be Canon, Nikon or Sony dedicated on-camera flashes (in the case of the AD360II).

      The Canon and Nikon speedlites do not have Sony radio slave modes yet, though Godox are going to upgrade those with firmware latter as well.

      So yes, if you buy an AD360II-C you will have full control via a Sony X1-S transmitter. You will likely have to upgrade the firmware on the AD360II-C yourself though first, as most stock available now would not have the latest firmware with Sony radio slave mode added.

  2. Phil 11 months ago

    Thanks for that. So the only difference between the Canon, Nikon and Sony versions of the AD360II is that they can be used on-camera for the respective manufacturers; but when used off-camera, they are identical. And when the speedlites are updated with the new firmware, the same will be true for them. Is that right?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Well yes that’s mostly a reasonable way of describing them.

      They all have the same radio slave modes, but they have a dedicated hotshoe / foot for Canon Nikon or Sony.

      So you can for example use the AD360II-C on a Phottix Laso RT radio receiver, or YN-622C receiver, providing full TTL etc with those Canon compatible radio systems. You couldn’t use a YN-622N on an AD360II-C though for example.

      They also have only Canon, Nikon, or Sony radio master mode if used as a transmitter.

      The AD600 have no hotshoe, or dedication to any specific system, so they are literally all the same strobe.

  3. Phil 11 months ago

    Great. Thanks for the help. As the new generation of lights have the receivers built-in, I was thinking I could buy an X1 transmitter for Sony, another one for Canon, and with those I would have full (off-camera) control over any of the lights, regardless of whether they are for Sony, Canon, or Nikon, and I wouldn’t need to get any receivers.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      No worries. Yes that will work with the AD600 and AD360II currently. The speedlites should follow the same format later down the track with new firmware.

      The flashes auto detect which version transmitter is being used as you half press the camera shutter, so you can literally use a Canon and Sony camera at the same time while sharing the same lights (even with different setting on each camera and transmitter).

  4. Ralf 11 months ago

    Received the new X1t-s and tried it with an AD360c2 upgraded to version 2V6 on an A7r2. Cross connectivity via the radio mode is great, but not quite sure whether it works as it should. AD360 set up as a radio slave, screen is red illuminated. Can change mode via the transmitter from TTL and M, and change manual power settings, goes into hyper sync and don’t get any visible shutter stripping throughout the entire range up to 1/8000. But I feel the camera has a shutter delay, feels unresponsive, maybe takes about half a second to react to the pressing of the shutter, even in manual focus, or pressing shutter half way down and then follow through. There is no self timer delay, straight single frame advance, camera setting is in the fill flash mode. Switching to the TTL mode, the frames are consistently underexposed, may be about 2 steps. Exposure compensation and flash compensation are all set to zero on the camera. The flash could pump out way more light as it can overexpose the image in manual mode at same camera settings.

    • Ralf 11 months ago

      correction: flash goes into HSS not hyper sync; I can trim TTL exposure by programming a positive offset on the AD360c2, needs 1 to 2 steps positive in my case

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Thanks for the feedback Ralf.

      I don’t think others have mentioned these issues yet, so I’m not sure if this may possibly be specific to the A7rII.

      I need to get a post up on the X1-S yet so we can get all the discussion in the same place.

      • Benjamin 10 months ago

        I have a similar issue with the X1-S on my Sony A7II. In TTL mode images are way underexposed (like 2-3 Stops), TTL with my Nissin flashes works perfectly fine, so it has to be a Godox issue.

        Kinda sucks, i already have the AD600 since 2 weeks now and i was really happy with it, but now that i got the trigger for it, i’m kinda disappointed that the reason i got the Godox system over any other (TTL and HSS for Sony), does not work properly.

  5. Ralf 11 months ago

    The A7R2 can have a feeling of having a delay as with electronic first curtain enabled the shutter noise comes at the end of the exposure. I tried a Nissin MG8000 flash straight on the camera in manual and it is instant. I also used a Cactus V6 set to trigger several strobes that included the AD360c2 in manual and was not aware of any lag during a portrait session. Usually I don’t test my gear, just use it, and nothing was unusual. With the X1T-s the AD360c2 system feels like it’s hesitating. I use adapted lenses with a Metabones IV, but I can’t see that this would affect the flash sequence, camera goes into the framing mode as soon as it recognises the X1T-s, with other flashes one would have to do this manually. I do not have a Sony TTL flash that I can test the response to the extend the X1T-s engages with the camera. Maybe someone can find “the trick”. I’m happy to see the system sync to 1/250 without going into HSS, all my other trigger systems only go up to 1/160 clean.

    • Ralf 11 months ago

      Update: The experienced delay is gone. Have tried all sorts of powering up sequences to see what might have caused it, so that I would know just it case it happens when it matters. Only thing I cannot test for is, if it was due to 2.4Ghz interference. May be the next innovation is automatic frequency hoping, which is already done in the radio controlling hobby world. All good now.

  6. Lloyd Maralit 11 months ago

    Can i use x1c on Olympus omd em1 triggering v850ii or v860ii?

  7. Lloyd Maralit 11 months ago

    Any news on V850ii?

  8. Will 11 months ago

    Lloyd: I just bought some 860ii’s on Amazon and cheetah stand has the canon ones in stock. Hope they are awesome

  9. Anthony 11 months ago

    Do we have any news from Godox about updating the 860ii -c with GR mode??

    • Owen Egan 11 months ago

      Adorama says they hope to be selling then by the end of the month, with Gr mode enabled.

      A recent email I sent to Godox asking about the same issue was never answered.

      • Anthony 11 months ago

        Nor did they to my emails. We all should start to send them asking for that gr mode which is really important.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 11 months ago

          The GR group mode is definitely coming. It sounds like they must have run into some issues or bugs to work through already.

          They’re not great with emails at the best of times, though theres no need to email them now regarding the Group mode, or its just going to make it harder for people to get a response on other issues as well.

  10. Will Pursell 11 months ago

    So you can’t currently control levels of different flashes off camera? I guess you can just pass though the x1 until they put it in?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Will,

      Yes you can still set groups to different power levels. Its just like the Canon optic wireless system though, where you only have 3 groups, you can’t mix TTL and Manual groups, and you can’t simply turn groups on and off individually (only choose A, A:B, or A:B:C groups to be on).

      Keep in mind the GR group mode (once implemented) will only work with 2012 onwards cameras though anyway, (just like the Canon RT system).

      • Owen 10 months ago

        … but unlike YongNuo who somehow managed to wrangle pre-2012 Canon body compatibility with their YN-E3-RT transmitters.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 10 months ago

          Yes, the frustrating part is you don’t know if the Godox engineers could possibly implement this as well.

          Definitely going to point this out as a feature of any new transmitter though, if its at all reasonably possible.

          • Owen 10 months ago

            Even a mode where TTL doesn’t work but 5-group Manual control still functions would be welcome. Right now I imagine you could create such a “mode” by taping all the pins on a pre-2012 body except the center x-sync pin. But an electronic version would be tidier.

      • Owen 10 months ago

        Hot off the presses: Sometime last night Godox posted new firmware for the TT685C and V860IIC. I can confirm that the TT685C v3.0 firmware does enable Gr mode. I’ve installed it but not really tested it yet.

        I think it’s a safe bet the V860II firmware posted (v1.3) has the same functionality – Scott over on POTN posted photos of a Cheetahlight V860X (Canon) running in GR mode.

        So, yay, etc.

        Owen.

  11. Scoob 10 months ago

    Any idea when the 850ii will be released? Got the 860ii and love it but really just need a manual flash as a second. That 850ii would be perfect :)

    • Owen 10 months ago

      I don’t know, but Adorama has a listing for “Flashpoint Zoom Li-on Manual R2 On-Camera Flash Speedlight”

      “http://www.adorama.com/FPLFSMZL2.html

      But, like their V860II re-brand, it’s not actually for sale yet…

      • Scoob 10 months ago

        Thanks
        I have the Cheetah branded V860ii version and was sad to find out that they will not carry the V850ii version. They carried it in the standard V850 version but they will not be carrying the version ii. So now I have to find a suitable replacement brand. Had I have known that I probably would not have bought the V860ii from them.

        • Linh 10 months ago

          Scoob, where did you see they won’t have the V850II? I emailed them last month and was informed they will carry a CL-V850X. They just had no ETA on it.

  12. Scoob 10 months ago

    I had asked about getting one on the FB page and Scott replied that they would have it. Then later someone else commented that they would not have it. So I emailed Edward asking if they will carry it or who else might.

    Here is the reply I got from Edward

    “support@cheetahstand.net
    May 5

    to me
    Scoob

    We do not want to carry V850X
    sorry do not know other seller.

    Cheers!”

    I suspect if you were informed they would carry it is that you talked to one of the other people, as did I early on.

    • Linh Nguyen 10 months ago

      That’s disappointing. On March 14, I got this from support:
      ETA not set yet.
      Yes we will carry CL-V850X.

      I’m guessing they changed their minds. Hopefully it’s just a low demand issue sincw they’re a smaller operation and not any inherent flaws.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 10 months ago

        The V850 are very popular flashes, there’s just little profit margin in them.

      • Thomas Geist 10 months ago

        Scoop,

        Why not buy from Adorama? http://www.adorama.com/FPLFSMZM.html

        • Tim Kamppinen 10 months ago

          That’s the AA version, but surprisingly the Li-on version is the same price (although backordered) http://www.adorama.com/FPLFSMZL2.html?RRref=productPage

          • Thomas Geist 10 months ago

            You’re right, dang, I keep mixing up the Flashpoint versions.

            I can’t imagine why anybody would even want the AA versions. I have a pair of V860N II (Flashpoint versions) on order and I am going to sell off my TT685N flashes.

            • Author
              Flash Havoc 10 months ago

              The TT685N with external battery pack can still recycle a lot faster if needed. That’s the main reason I would think they are still an important option to have.

              Its a pity the V850 / V860 can’t have an external battery pack port as well, so you would still have all options covered if needed.

              • Tim Kamppinen 10 months ago

                Yeah, that’s a real issue. I hope if Godox does come out with an upgraded master flash that they include a battery port on the Li-on version as well.

            • Tim Kamppinen 10 months ago

              “I can’t imagine why anybody would even want the AA versions.”

              Personally I use the 685’s as off camera lights and they are usually at like 1/32 power… I never have to change batteries in my off-camera flashes at a wedding. I already have a bunch of NiMH batteries and a 16 bay charger… so charging a bunch of Li-on batteries one at a time (or managing several chargers) just seems like more of a hassle to me. Also I guess I don’t really trust the Li-on batteries yet having heard so many complaints. I know that supposedly the problems have been fixed for a while now but I’m keeping my AA flashes around for the time being. I have one 860II that I am going to be using as my on-camera flash but the rest are 685’s.

              Of course the fact that the AA versions are $80 cheaper doesn’t hurt either.

              • Tim Kamppinen 10 months ago

                Also, to me, getting the Manual version for $100 to use as an off-camera flash doesn’t make sense when I can get the 685 for $120 and have it double as a back-up for my on-camera flash. Of course if you’re set on going all Li-on then it isn’t as much of an easy choice since the 860II’s are double the price of the 850II’s.

                • Linh 10 months ago

                  There are those of us on systems that TTL is not supported. So even a $20 savings is a savings. But yeah, mostly it’s the desire for going Li-on over AAs.

              • Scoob 10 months ago

                You pay less for the AA version (TT685) because you are not getting batteries or chargers. If you figure in your 16 bay charger and enough eneloops to fill it you are not $80.00 cheaper anymore.

                To me the Li-Ion batteries where much like the touch screen on the 70D. Thinking to myself. I dont need no stinking touch screen on a camera, nobody needs that. Man was I wrong, it was really hard to give that up when I moved to the 5diii.
                Li-Ion was the same way, fire off 300 full power pops and still have half a battery left. I would have been on my second set of AA”s already and looking for a place to plug in a charger. Carry around 16 batteries, two flashes and a charger of just two flashes and two batteries and be done with it.

                Is wierd to see adorama have the li-ion and AA at the same $99.00 price for the manual version of the V850

                • Tim Kamppinen 10 months ago

                  “You pay less for the AA version (TT685) because you are not getting batteries or chargers. If you figure in your 16 bay charger and enough eneloops to fill it you are not $80.00 cheaper anymore.”

                  Fair enough but I, and probably most photographers switching to this system, already have an arsenal of AA batteries and chargers ready to go with no additional investment.

                  Again, I guess it depends on how you use the flashes. The only flash I ever have to change the battery for at a wedding is the one I’m using on-camera… which is one reason I got an 860II to use on-camera.

        • Scoob 10 months ago

          Yes, I am only interested in the Li-Ion version which is on backorder. Though had I have know that cheetah was not going to offer the v850x I would have just waited and ordered all at the same time and the same brand. Most likely just waited for godox to sell them on Amazon.

          • Author
            Flash Havoc 10 months ago

            They are listed as on backorder, though that is because they are not available yet. I think last mentioned was availability possibly around the end of the month.

            Adorama provide 12 months warranty on the battery, so that’s really something worth considering when buying these.

            As I mentioned, there is very little profit in selling these base models, so smaller retailers have reason to not be very sympathetic to dealing with battery returns etc.

            • Scoob 10 months ago

              DRATS!!!!

              They didn’t come the end of May :(

              I am guessing “Soon ®” is a relative term :)

              Still stuck between Godox and Flash point, guessing FP might have a better battery warranty based on Elv’s comment.

              What other brand choices are there for these same lights?

  13. Andy 9 months ago

    I just purchased Sony A7ii with current firmware update. I received my Godox x1s trigger and using on my godox version flashes for Nikon – (TT685n, 860ii N, and ad360ii N) when i trigger flash it works well with manual but TTL under exposes 2 to 3 stops. My trigger has V12 firmware. I own a Mac so I can not update the firmware.

  14. JimG 6 months ago

    Would the Flashpoint R2 Nikon Transmitter be compatible with the Godox V860II? Or what are the differences between the Flashpoint Zoom Li-on R2 TTL and the Godox V860IIn. I saw a comment about the FP Zoom Li-on at Adorama where the poster wished he would have spent the extra on the V860II over the FP.

    • Scoob 6 months ago

      If they are for the same brand they should work just fine, ie: r2 transmitter for nikon and the v860iiN.

      I personally have all three brands mixed and they communicate flawlessly together.
      Cheetah V860iiC, Cheetah X1 transmitter, Cheetah Xt-32 trigger, Godox V860ii and flashpoint R2 manual (V850ii)

      I see no difference between any of the brands, other than the Cheetah comes pre tested, has US warranty and has fantastic customer service.

  15. JimG 6 months ago

    Thanks for the reply. I am looking to get into a monolight setup in the most cost-effective manner. Sometimes that means mix-and-match. Good to know that Adorama or Cheetah Stand don’t have any proprietary firmware or whatnot to keep things from playing nice together.

  16. Tatiana 3 months ago

    Nice post!

  17. Kevin Corbett 1 month ago

    I have a sony a58 and have bought a godox tt600 with x1, I can set the built in flash to ttl but when I’m trying to set the flash on camera or slave with x1 I can’t meter . Also with I fit the flash to the camera I get a dark screen but once I fit the x1 the screen changes. Is the correct with my set up or am I doing something wrong?
    Thanks
    Kev

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