GODOX – 2.4GHz Flash System Overview (Updated)

GODOX FLASH SYSTEM

 

With the release of the recent 2.4GHz built-in radio strobes, Godox have been putting together one of the most comprehensive (and now very popular) radio flash systems currently available.

What’s attractive about the Godox ecosystem is not only the large range of well priced and innovative lights on offer, but also the complete compatibility throughout the system, from the cheapest remote manual speedlites, to the larger TTL cordless and AC powered studio strobes.

Another major feature is the intercompatibility between Canon, Nikon, and Sony versions, with Fuji and Micro Four Thirds versions also beginning to start rolling out over the coming months.

So most of the speedlites and strobes in the Godox 2.4GHz system now provide Auto Sensing radio slave modes for Canon, Nikon, and Sony (with Fuji & M4/3 coming).

This means you can use Canon, Nikon, or Sony version transmitter units, or master speedlites, with the same set of slave strobes and speedlites, and they will automatically switch to the corresponding slave mode as required. And this includes full TTL functionality where available.

This also means a photographer (or photographers) using Canon, Nikon, and Sony, cameras can effectively share the same set of strobes at the same time.

 

GODOX FLASH SYSTEM

 

So Godox have been developing a very versatile and practical radio flash system, now attracting a large user base worldwide.

Its not all perfect though, and still a work in progress in areas. With a system of this scale already having so many components, there are a number of (generally minor) quirks and details needing refinement over time, through firmware updates etc. And from what we have seen this is likely to continue with the system rapidly expanding into new brands etc.

Also the transmitter and master flash units are key components to a radio flash system, and the current X1 TTL transmitter units (although completely functional), are known to be fiddly to operate, and have already outgrown their hardware to some degree. Though new X2 transmitters are currently in development, and expected to be available later in 2017.

Although having the innovative advantage of built-in Lithium-ion batteries, the current Godox master speedlites have been the main weak point in the system for many wedding and event photographers, who would really like to see an on-camera master speedlite with more refined features to closer match the performance of the original Canon and Nikon speedlites.

Off camera TTL performance with strobes like game changing AD600 / XPLOR have been solid and consistent since their first release. And the previous remote manual speedlites and bare bulb flashes have proven themselves to be solid workhorses over the last few years. The Godox radio system has also shown to be generally reliable with good range.

Note – The Godox 2.4GHz radio system is not directly compatible with Canon or Nikon’s radio systems.

 

GODOX 2.4GHz FLASH SYSTEM OVERVIEW

 

Godox are likely just getting started with their range of strobes having 2.4GHz radio built inside, though already this provides a broad range of transmitter, master, and slave flash options.

All the current hotshoe flashes function as both radio master, and slave units in the system –

 

Godox System Overview

 

And with the addition of clip on XTR-16/s radio receivers, a number of the popular legacy remote manual strobes can be combined as slave flash units in the 2.4GHz flash system (using the transmitter and master flash units shown above).

These include the –

 

GODOX FLASH SYSTEM

 

And of course your original Canon, Nikon, and eventually Sony, TTL Speedlites can be combined in the system as well by mounting those on Godox X1R TTL receiver units.

 

ADORAMA FLASHPOINT R2 SYSTEM

 

In the USA Adorama also sell the Godox System under their Flashpoint branding, providing great support and helping to refine the system.

Adorama also have exclusive rights in the USA to sell the TTL version of the Godox AD600 cordless strobes, sold under the Flashpoint brand as the XPLOR 600 TTL.

The Flashpoint equipment is fully compatible with the original Godox branded gear, and Flashpoint provide up to 2 year full USA warranty.

Flashpoint have their own naming structure as tabled below –

FLASHPOINT R2 SYSTEM

Godox X1T = Flashpoint R2 TTL Transmitter Canon NikonSony
Godox X1R = Flashpoint R2 TTL Receiver – CanonNikonSony

Godox XT32 = Flashpoint R2T 32 TransmitterCanonNikon – Sony

Godox TT350 = Flashpoint Mini Zoom R2 TTLCanonNikonSony – Olympus – Fuji

Godox TT600 = Flashpoint Zoom R2 Manual
Godox V850II = Flashpoint Zoom Li-on R2 Manual

Godox TT685 = Flashpoint Zoom R2 TTL – Canon – Nikon – Sony
Godox V860II = Flashpoint Zoom Li-on R2 TTL – CanonNikonSony

Godox AD360II = Flashpoint Streaklight TTL

Godox AD200  = Flashpoint EVOLV 200 R2 TTL

Godox AD600BM = Flashpoint XPLOR 600 HSS
Godox AD600B = Flashpoint XPLOR 600 TTL HSS

Godox XTR-16 = Flashpoint R2 Bridge SL
Godox XTR-16s = Flashpoint R2 Bridge ZL

Godox AD180 = Flashpoint Streaklight 180
Godox AD360 = Flashpoint Streaklight 360

Godox AR400 = Flashpoint Ring Li-on

Godox S-Type Bracket – Glow S-Type Bracket

 

 

CURRENT 2.4GHz TRANSMITTER UNITS

 

Godox currently produce 3 tranmsitter units for their 2.4GHz radio flash system.

  • X1T – Provides – TTL / HSS / Remote Manual
  • XT32 – Provides – HSS / Remote Manual
  • XT16 – Provides – Remote Manual

GODOX FLASH SYSTEMThe XT32 and XT16 transmitters also provide control for 16 individual Groups of lights, where the X1T currently provide up to 5 Groups.

  • X1T are available in – Canon, Nikon and Sony versions.
  • XT32 will be available in – Canon, Nikon, Sony, and a “General” single firing pin version (no HSS).
  • XT16 are universal (single firing pin).

So you can choose the transmitter units which best suit your needs and budget.

 

MASTER FLASH UNITS

 

Currently all of the Godox hotshoe flashes with 2.4GHz X radio system built-in, also provide both radio master and slave modes.

So they can all act as a master / transmitter unit on-camera to the rest of the 2.4GHz flash system as well.

 

There are some differences between the Canon, Nikon, and Sony master units functionality, due to the way their various native TTL systems operate.

For example the Nikon Master interface only provides for 3 TTL or remote manual groups, so Godox have allowed 2 more groups to at least be used in remote manual.

The Canon Master interface provides a GR Group style interface with 5 TTL or remote manual groups, though pre 2012 cameras can still only access 3 groups.

The Sony Master interface currently only provides the 3 TTL or remote manual slave groups. (Which should really be expanded with 2 more remote manual groups).

 

CANON – NIKON –  SONY – INTERCOMPATIBILITY

 

Unlike the hotshoe mountable flashes above, larger strobes like the TTL enabled AD600B, and AD200 do not provide any radio master mode (as they can not be mounted on the camera hotshoe anyway).

Where this becomes interesting though, is that the AD600B and AD200 etc, provide auto switching TTL radio slave modes for Canon, Nikon and Sony.

So the strobe automatically detects the signal and settings provided from an X1T-C, X1T-N, or X1T-S transmitter, mounted on a respective Canon, Nikon, or Sony camera’s hotshoe (as soon as you release the cameras shutter).

This means a photographer, or photographers, using Canon, Nikon, and Sony, cameras can effectively share the same set of strobes at the same time.

And Godox 2.4GHz TTL enabled master hotshoe flashes can be used in the same way as the transmitter unit on camera as well.

 

GODOX FLASH SYSTEM

 

And all of the Godox TTL speedlites / hotshoe flashes now provide the same auto switching TTL radio slave modes for Canon Nikon and Sony. With Fuji and Micro Four Thirds to come later in 2017.

 

 

NOTE – X1T transmitters units may not currently provide TTL with alternate version X1R receivers (with TTL speedlite mounted on receiver hotshoe).

 

SYSTEM SCALABILITY

 

Particularity for people starting out in off camera lighting, the scalability of Godox system offers a very practical option to get started with.

This is because the Godox remote manual flashes are compatible (in remote manual, and HSS use) with Godox’s more advanced TTL gear, as well as their broad range of larger TTL and manual strobes.

This means you can start with some inexpensive remote manual speedlites like the Godox TT600, (which are basically the Godox equivalent of the popular YongNuo YN560 IV), and easily expand your kit with numerous other compatible Godox flash options later.

With YongNuo their remote manual and TTL systems have limited intercompatibility. And a lot of people get caught out with that after a short time when they want to start experimenting with HSS and TTL, and try to expand their kit.

With a HSS enabled Godox transmitter like the XT32, the TT600 speedlites (and many of the other Godox remote manual strobes) already include a HSS mode as well. (Where HSS is only available with the TTL gear from YongNuo).

(Note – Remote flash head zoom is currently limited in the Godox system though, compared to YongNuo’s functions).

 

 

PREVIOUS 433MHz RADIO SYSTEM

 

A quick history for people unfamiliar with the Godox system. A few years ago Godox released their first 433MHz frequency FT-16 remote manual radio system, to be used with the various remote manual strobes mentioned above.

Godox knew this system would need to evolve quite a bit in a relatively short time. And fortunately for many previous customers Godox designed the radio receivers as small external clip on units, which could then be easily upgraded to a new radio system later on.

So Godox now provide 2.4GHz XT16 versions of the original 433MHz FT-16 transmitter and receivers.

And its these XTR16 and XTR16s receivers which link the legacy remote manual flashes to the new Godox 2.4GHz X radio flash system as detailed above.

(The original 433MHz FT-16 transmitter and receivers are still available, though you can imagine they will probably be phased out eventually as demand diminishes).

 

GODOX FLASH SYSTEM

 

As well as remote manual power control, a number of the legacy Godox strobes like the popular AD360 also provide a HSS mode.

The FT-16 transmitter being a universal single firing pin unit though, cannot provide the early fire signal needed for HSS to function.

So with the 433MHz radio system a second Cells II transmitter was also needed to be mounted on the camera, while the FT-16 transmitter could be held in hand just for remote power control with the strobes.

With the current 2.4GHz system, the XT32 transmitter basically combines the XT-16 and Cells II into one more convenient transmitter unit.

GODOX_SYSTEM_16a500

 

 

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GODOX BUILT-IN 2.4GHz FLASHES

GODOX TT600 / V850II

 

On-Camera Dedication  UNIVERSAL / SONY (Single Pin)

Price TT600 From $69 / V850II $99

Available Now

Overview – TT600 / V850II

 

OUTPUT – GN 60m (ISO 100 / 200mm)

MODES – Manual / Multi

HSS As Slave Flash Only

POWER – TT600 4 x AA Batteries / HV Battery Port

POWER – V850II Lithium-Ion Battery (VB18) – NO HV Battery Port

 

RADIO MASTER –

  • Modes – Remote Manual / Multi
  • Groups – 5 Groups – A / B / C / D / E
  • Channels – 32

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes – Remote Manual / Multi
  • Groups – 5 Groups – A / B / C / D / E
  • Channels – 32
  • XTR-16s / FTR-16s – Compatible

 

TT600 – Are simple remote manual speedlites, with universal single firing pin.

Though as well as providing remote manual radio master and slave modes, the TT600 can also provide a HSS mode when used as a radio slave flash to a Godox HSS enabled transmitter or master flash unit.

(No HSS when mounted on camera though, as the TT600 are single firing pin).

The TT600 work as remote manual and HSS enabled radio slaves to any of the Canon, Nikon or Sony version Godox transmitter or master flash units. As well as remote manual radio slaves to the single firing pin transmitter or master flash units (no HSS with those).

Remote zoom control is not currently available from the TT600’s master interface. And as a radio slave flash the X1 series transmitters can currently only provide a global zoom control for all radio slave groups at once.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are also provided.

TT600S – A separate version of the TT600 area available with the Sony Multi Interface Hotshoe foot. Though as far as we are aware the TT600S still function the same as the single firing pin TT600.

 

V850II – provide the same functions as the TT600, though they are powered by a very convenient Lithium-Ion battery capable of 650 full power pops, and 1.5 second recycle time.

The V850II cost more than the TT600, though the price includes the Lithium-ion battery and charger.

 

TT600 – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK

V850II – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK

 

GODOX TT350

GODOX TT350

 

On-Camera Dedication  CANON / NIKON / SONY / OLYMPUS / FUJI

Price – From $79

Available Now

Overview – TT350C / TT350N / TT350S / TT350O

 

OUTPUT – GN 36m (ISO 100 @ 105mm)

MODES – TTL / Manual / Multi

HSS As Radio Master and Slave

POWER – 2 x AA batteries

 

RADIO MASTER –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups TT350C – 3 Remote Groups – A / B / C (Group A can be the Master)
  • Groups TT350N – M Master and 3 Remote Groups – M / A / B / C
  • Groups TT350S – M Master and 3 Remote Groups M / A / B / C
  • Groups TT350O – M Master and 3 Remote Groups M / A / B / C

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • TTL Slave Modes –  Auto Switching – CANON / NIKON / SONY
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups TT350C – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups TT350N – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups TT350S – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups TT350O – 3 Groups – A / B / C

 

TT350 are Godox’s first compact TTL, HSS, and Remote Manual speedlite, primarily aimed at smaller mirrorless cameras.

The compact TT350 are powered by just 2 AA batteries and provide around 210 full power pops, with 1.5 second recycle time.

Though power output is around 2 stops less than the full sized speedlites listed below.

The TT350 provide full TTL and Remote Manual radio master and slave modes. And auto switching, Canon, Nikon, and Sony, radio slave modes.

Remote zoom control is not currently available from the TT350’s master interface. And used as a radio slave flash to the X1 series transmitters, the X1 can currently only provide a global zoom control for all radio slave groups at once.

Optic Wireless TTL master and slave modes are Not provided. And neither is a port for FTR / XTR-16s receivers, or External HV Battery Port is provided.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are provided.

 

TT350C – Adorama, Ebay, Amazon, UK
TT350N – Adorama, Ebay, Amazon, UK
TT350S – Adorama, Ebay, Amazon, UK
TT350O – Adorama
TT350F – Adorama

 

Godox TT685

GODOX TT685

 

On-Camera Dedication  CANON / NIKON / SONY 

Price TT685 From $119

Available Now

Overview – TT685C / TT685N / TT685S

 

OUTPUT – GN 60m (ISO 100 / 200mm)

MODES – TTL / Manual / Multi

HSS As Radio Master and Slave

POWER – 4 x AA Batteries / HV Battery Port

 

RADIO MASTER –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups TT685-C – 5 Remote Groups In GR Mode – A / B / C / D / E  (Group A can be the Master)
    (No GR Mode with pre 2012 Canon Cameras – 3 Groups only, and no mixed TTL & Manual)
  • Groups TT685-N – M Master and 3 Remote Groups – M / A / B / C
  • Groups TT685-S – M Master and 3 Remote Groups M / A / B / C

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • TTL Slave Modes – Auto Switching – CANON / NIKON / SONY
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups TT685-C – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups TT685-N – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups TT685-S – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • XTR-16s / FTR-16s – Compatible

 

TT685 – are the AA powered version of Godox’s flagship V860II Lithium-ion powered TTL, HSS, and remote manual speedlites listed below.

The TT685 provide full TTL and remote manual radio master and slave modes. And with current firmware they now provide alternate Canon, Nikon, and Sony radio slave modes.

Remote zoom control is not currently available from the TT685’s master interface. And used as a radio slave flash to the X1 series transmitters, the X1 can currently only provide a global zoom control for all radio slave groups at once.

Optic Wireless TTL master and slave modes are provided for the corresponding on-camera brand version of the flash only.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are also provided.

The TT685 also provide a High Voltage External Battery Pack Port, where the V860II below do not.

 

TT685C – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK
TT685N – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK
TT685S – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK

 

GODOX V860II

 

On-Camera Dedication  CANON / NIKON / SONY 

Price – From $179

Available Now

Overview – V860II-C / V860II-N / V860II-S

 

OUTPUT – GN 60m (ISO 100 / 200mm)

MODES – TTL / Manual / Multi

HSS As Radio Master and Slave

POWER – Lithium-Ion Battery (VB18) – N0 HV Battery Port

 

RADIO MASTER –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups V860II-C – 5 Remote Groups In GR Mode – A / B / C / D / E  (Group A can be the Master)
    (No GR Mode with pre 2012 Canon Cameras – 3 Groups only, and no mixed TTL & Manual)
  • Groups V860II-N – M Master and 3 Remote Groups – M / A / B / C
  • Groups V860II-S – M Master and 3 Remote Groups M / A / B / C

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • TTL Slave Modes –  Auto Switching – CANON / NIKON / SONY
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups V860II-C – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups V860II-N – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups V860II-S – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • XTR-16s / FTR-16s – Compatible

 

V860II – are currently Godox’s flagship TTL, HSS, and remote manual speedlites.

The V860II provide mostly the same functions as the TT685 above, though they are powered by a very convenient Lithium-Ion battery capable of 650 full power pops, and 1.5 second recycle time.

The V860II also provide full TTL and Remote Manual radio master and slave modes. And auto switching, Canon, Nikon, and Sony, radio slave modes.

Remote zoom control is not currently available from the V860II’s master interface. And used as a radio slave flash to the X1 series transmitters, the X1 can currently only provide a global zoom control for all radio slave groups at once.

Optic Wireless TTL master and slave modes are provided for the corresponding on-camera brand version of the flash only.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are also provided.

The V860II cost more than the TT685, though the V860II price includes the Lithium-ion battery and charger.

 

V860II-C – AdoramaEbayAmazon, UK
V860II-N – AdoramaEbayAmazon, UK
V860II-S – AdoramaEbayAmazon, UK

 

GODOX AD360II

 

On-Camera Dedication  CANON / NIKON

Price From $490

Available Now

Overview – AD360II-CAD360II-N

 

OUTPUT – Approx 300Ws

MODES – TTL / Manual / Multi

HSS As Radio Master and Slave

POWER – External Lithium-Ion Battery Pack (PB-960)

 

RADIO MASTER –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups AD360II-C – 3 Remote Groups – A / B / C  (Group A can be the Master)
  • Groups AD360II-N – M Master and 3 Remote Groups – M / A / B / C

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • TTL Slave ModesAuto Switching – CANON / NIKON / SONY
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups AD360II-C – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • Groups AD360II-N – 3 Groups – A / B / C
  • XTR-16s / FTR-16s – Compatible

 

AD360II are the TTL and radio enabled version of the popular original remote manual AD360 remote manual bare bulb strobes.

As well as TTL, Remote Manual, and HSS enabled radio master modes, the AD360II-C and AD360II-N both provide auto switching TTL radio slave modes for Godox’s Canon, Nikon, and Sony, TTL master units.

Remote zoom control is not currently available from the AD360II’s master interface.

Optic Wireless TTL master and slave modes are provided for the corresponding on-camera brand version of the flash only.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are also provided.

 

AD360II-C – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK
AD360II-N – Adorama, Ebay, Amazon, UK

 

GODOX AD200

GODOX AD200 

 

On-Camera Dedication  None

Price From $299

Available Now

Overview – AD200

 

OUTPUT – Approx 200Ws

MODES – TTL / Manual / Multi

HSS As Radio Slave

POWER – Built-in Lithium-Ion Battery (WB29)

 

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • TTL Slave ModesAuto Switching – CANON / NIKON / SONY
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups – 5 Groups – A / B / C / D / E
  • XTR-16s / FTR-16s – Compatible

 

Being the first of their kind, the AD200 are fully cordless radio enabled TTL and HSS off-camera strobes, providing interchangeable bare bulb and speedlight style Fresnel head.

And approximately 200Ws of power in a very compact unit not much larger than a regular speedlite.

As well as Remote Manual power control and HSS, the AD200 provide auto switching TTL radio slave modes for Godox’s Canon, Nikon, and Sony TTL master units.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are also provided.

Various other interchangeable heads will also be made available for the AD200, including ring lights in flash and LED versions.

 

AD200 – Adorama, Ebay, Amazon, UK

 

GODOX AD600B / AD600BM 

 

On-Camera Dedication  None

Price AD600B From $750 / AD600BM $550

Available Now

Overview – AD600B / AD600BM

 

OUTPUT – Approx 600Ws

MODES AD600B TTL / Manual / Multi

MODES AD600BM Manual / Multi

HSS As Radio Slave

POWER – Built-in Lithium-Ion Battery (WB87)

 

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes AD600B – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • Modes AD600BM – Remote Manual / Multi
  • TTL Slave ModesAuto Switching – CANON / NIKON / SONY
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups – 5 Groups – A / B / C / D / E
  • XTR-16s / FTR-16s – Compatible

 

AD600B / XPLOR 600 – cordless TTL and radio enabled off-camera bare bulb strobes.

As well as Remote Manual power control and HSS, the AD600B provide auto switching TTL radio slave modes for Godox’s Canon, Nikon, and Sony TTL master units.

Optic Wireless TTL slave modes for both Canon and Nikon are provided.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are also provided.

 

AD600BM – are basically the same as the AD600B, though without TTL capability. They still provide HSS and Remote Manual power control.

 

AD600B – AdoramaEbay, Amazon. UK
AD600BM – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK

 

GODOX QT600IIM

(& QT400IIM / QT800IIM / QT1200IIM)

 

On-Camera Dedication  None

Price From $599

Available Now

Overview – QT600IIM

 

OUTPUT – Approx 400 / 600 / 800 / 1200Ws

MODES – Manual / Multi

HSS As Radio Slave

POWER – AC Mains Power (110V & 220V versions)

 

RADIO SLAVE  –

  • Modes Remote Manual / Multi
  • Channels – 32
  • Groups – 16 Groups – A / B / C / D / E / F, and 0 – 9
  • XTR-16s / FTR-16s – Compatible

 

QT600/II-M are Remote Manual, AC powered studio lights, with IGBT power control providing short flash durations suitable for freezing motion.

The QT600IIM don not provide TTL, though they do proivde HSS (High Speed Sync) when used with a suitably enabled transmitter or master flash.

A dual mode can prioritize between short flash durations for freezing motion, or higher color consistency across the power range.

In radio slave mode the QT600IIM can function with the various manual power scales available through the XT-32 transmitter. So they can be used alongside legacy Godox studio strobes which use a number of different power scales.

The QT600IIM also provide the full 16 radio slave groups provided by the XT-32 and XT-16 transmitter units.

Basic S1 and S2 Optic slave modes are also provided.

The QTIIM strobes are available in 110V and 220V versions.

 

Adorama, Ebay, Amazon, UK

 

GODOX 2.4GHz TRANSMITTERS

GODOX X1T

GODOX X1T

 

On-Camera Dedication  CANON / NIKON / SONY 

Price – From $46

Available Now

Overview – X1T-C / X1T-N / X1T-S

 

MODES – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi

HSS Yes

 

GROUP CONTROL –

  • X1T-C – 5 Remote Groups In GR Mode – A / B / C / D / E
  • (No GR Mode with pre 2012 Canon Cameras – 3 Groups only, and no mixed TTL & Manual)
  • X1T-N – 5 Remote Groups –  A / B / C / D /E  (Groups D & E are Remote Manual Only)
  • X1T-S – 3 Remote Groups  A / B / C

 

OTHER FEATURES  –

  • Modes – TTL / Remote Manual / Multi
  • HSS to 1/8000th
  • Second Curtain Sync
  • FEC / FEB – 1/3rd Increments (±3 Stops)
  • FEL (Flash Exposure Lock)
  • Manual Flash – 1/128 – 1/1 Output (1/3rd Increments)
  • Remote Flash Zoom (Global Adjustment For All Groups Only)
  • 32 Channels
  • Range – 100M+
  • HSS Delay Setting – 0~19.9ms, (100us Increments)
  • Modeling Lamp Control (On /Off)
  • Auto Memory Function
  • AF Assist light (With an On/Off Switch)
  • Large LCD Display with Back Light
  • Wireless Shutter Release
  • Micro USB Port for Firmware Upgrades
  • Transmitter PC Sync Port – Input & Output

 

X1T-C – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK
X1T-N – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK
X1T-S – Adorama, Ebay,  Amazon, UK

 

Godox XT32GODOX XT32

 

On-Camera Dedication  Universal

Price – From $46

Available Now Canon & Nikon. Sony and General (single firing pin) Coming

Overview – XT32C

 

MODES – Remote Manual

HSS Yes

 

GROUP CONTROL –

  • 16 Remote Groups – A / B / C / D / E / F, and 0 – 9

 

OTHER FEATURES  –

  • Modes – Remote Manual / Off
  • HSS to 1/8000th
  • Second Curtain Sync (When Set Via The Camera)
  • Manual Flash – 1/128 – 1/1 Output (1/3rd Increments)
  • 6 Modes of Power Adjustment
  • 32 Channels
  • Range – 100M+
  • HSS Delay Setting – 0~19.9ms, (100us Increments)
  • Modeling Lamp Control (On /Off)
  • Sound Prompt / Lock / Sleep Functions
  • Battery Level Indicator
  • Auto Memory Function
  • Large LCD Display with Back Light
  • AF Assist light (With an On/Off Switch)
  • Micro USB Port for Firmware Upgrades
  • Transmitter PC Sync Port – Input & Output

 

XT32C – Adorama, EbayAmazon, UK
XT32N – AdoramaEbay, Amazon, UK

 

Godox XT16GODOX XT16

 

On-Camera Dedication  Universal

Price – From $29

Available Now

Overview – XT16

 

MODES – Remote Manual

HSS No

 

GROUP CONTROL –

  • 16 Remote Groups – A / B / C / D / E / F, and 0 – 9

 

OTHER FEATURES  –

  • Modes – Remote Manual / Off
  • Manual Flash – 1/128 – 1/1 Output (1/3rd Increments)
  • 2 Modes of Power Adjustment
  • 16 Channels
  • Range – 100M+
  • Modeling Lamp Control (On /Off)
  • Sound Prompt
  • Auto Memory Function

 

XT16 – EbayAmazon, UK

 

 

Godox – Website

Godox – Firmware Updates

 

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325 Comments
  1. Darryl J 11 months ago

    Great stuff. Can you elaborate on the specifics of the upcoming AD200 unit?

    Looks to be a bare bulb flash with built in battery.

    • Rob 11 months ago

      +1

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Darryl,

      Sorry I don’t have any details on the AD200 at this stage. I would think its like you described though.

  2. PeterA 11 months ago

    I’m stocked up on Godox now! But still wondering and watching for usefulness improvements. I liked the 1/8 plug added to the Adorama FT-16 transmitter. It would be great to get updates on the other advances Adorama may add to the X1 line as it develops! Great overview article! 🙂

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Peter,

      Adorama would like to work with Godox to produce a new TTL transmitter. So I don’t think there will be any hardware updates to the X1 units.

  3. Daniele 11 months ago

    So, does the TT600 provide alternate Canon, Nikon, Sony radio slave mode? It didn’t specifically say it doesnn’t but neither that it does. will it eventually?

    thanks!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Daniele,

      Sorry yes, I wasn’t sure how to describe that. Actually I thought this was going to be a pretty short and simple guide, though once I started I was struggling a bit to find a simple way to explain everything.

      So I hope I haven’t made it look unnecessarily confusing, as its all fairly straight forward once you have some of the gear in front of you.

      Anyway to answer your question the remote manual strobes like the TT600, V850II, and AD600BM will work as remote manual radio slave flashes to any of the Canon, Nikon, or Sony version transmitter units or master flash units. As well as to the universal (single firing pin) transmitter and master flash units.

      They will also provide automatic HSS from any of the Canon, Nikon, or Sony, dedicated transmitter or Master flash units (mounted on the corresponding version HSS enabled cameras).

      So the remote manual side of things is pretty universal, and all of the transmitters / master flashes will control all of the remote manual flashes.

      Though now that I think about the HSS side of things, the 2.4GHz remote manual strobes have to be recognising the different HSS communication from Canon, Nikon, and Sony, version transmitters. Because its not just an early fire signal being sent, its turning the HSS mode on and off automatically on the flashes. So technically I think they do have Canon, Nikon, and Sony, HSS / remote manual radio slave modes. Just not TTL.

      • Ken 11 months ago

        This is a great guide. I’ll re re-reading it a few times! I have several of the Canon 600 EX-RT’s and the Yongnuo equivalents and I want to add a much higher power monolight like the AD600 to work in this mix. Will my 600EX-RT transmit manual power controls and trigger the AD600 by itself without the X1 trigger?? Or do I need to use the X1 to do so? Do I only get HSS and TTL if I use the X1 2.4 Ghz Godox transmitter? Or do I get need to use the Godox X1 trigger regardless? I’d love to use my Yongnuo ST-E3 equivalent or Canon 600EX-RT master to manual
        Power control and trigger the AD600 (so I can ALSO continue to trigger and power control all the rest of my speed lights I’m currently using) if not also be able to enable HSS and TTL too. But I’m not even sure the Canon 600EX-RT as master on camera without a Godox intermediary will work with the AD 600?

  4. Mike 11 months ago

    Great guide. On the desk in front of me are a pair of V860ii’s, an AD360ii and an X1Ts. I haven’t had any of it long, but I’m loving how it works together so seamlessly. To have these options now, particularly as a Sony user, is amazing. Arguably game changing.
    A big thank you to this site for introducing me to the world of Godox!

  5. Jacob 11 months ago

    I’m always amazed by how thorough this site is, but I didn’t catch mention of this so perhaps I’m alone in this issue:

    Yes, the Godox world of speedlights and strobes s rounding out nicely, but the compatibility of their gear isn’t always as nice as one would assume. For example, I just received a few of the XTR16 receivers to upgrade from the previous 433mHz models along with another X1. The system still fails to remotely control power on Godox’s strobes which don’t use the fractional notation. I’ve not got a dizzying array of several Godox strobes, Wistro, AD600, speedlights both Ving and AA and TTL and non-TTL ranging from their earliest models to their latest. For the most part their interoperability with Canon and Sony and each other have been a miracle. However, having one FT16 transmitter for speedlight control, another for strobes, another for HSS (Cells) was bad enough. Now I’ve “upgraded” to the X1 2.4 system, buying all new receivers for each strobe, bare bulb and speedlight, and the flagship X1 transmitter still won’t control them. Looks like I just need to upgrade all strobes to the Wistro line (AD600) with built in receivers and fractional notation. So much for investing in the strobes as a money-saver due to ‘upgradeability’ with their external USB port for future receivers…

    Am I missing something here?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Jacob,

      Godox have started to tackle this issue a little bit with the XT-32 transmitter, and the QT600IIM to some degree.

      The XT-32 have a number of power scales available to match the different studio lights. Though at this stage you can still only choose one power scale on the transmitter for all groups (which was the same situation with the FT-16 and XT-16 transmitters).

      Though the radio slave mode in the QT600IIM will work with any of the power scales set on the XT-32 transmitter. So you can combine the QT600IIM with any one other style of Godox flashes, using the one XT-32 transmitter.

      So that’s the extent of combining different power scale strobes at the moment, unless you want to use multiple transmitters to control each different power scale strobes.

      The XT-32 were not meant to be a high end transmitter though, so I would think the solution in the future would be a replacement to the X1 transmitters which are able to set different power scales for different groups of flashes.

      Enabling the strobes to work with multiple power scales would also help, and I would expect coming 2.4GHz AC strobes would be enabled the same way as the QT600IIM to accept multiple power scales.

      Mixing different power scale strobe is limited at the moment though.

      • Jacob 11 months ago

        Thanks for your reply. That’s about how things seemed to sit right now from my research. These things evolve at an almost frustratingly quick pace. Anyone want to buy my current setup so I can replace everything with AD600s? 😉 Once their AC adapter is out the old Godox strobes will be up on the e-bay I’m sure.

  6. mmmfotografie 11 months ago

    Finally I got my AD600BM and on first use it locked up the FTR-16 time after time. Luckily I had backup triggers with me so I could continue the shoot.

    I looking into this problem also the shop is looking into this problem to see if it is only my flash or a bigger problem.

    I have some ideas to improve the flash design wise. A plate on the Bowens ring so that the reflectors/speed rings don’t move that much.

    Also the click mechanisme of the handle is that strong that I have the feeling that the flash is shaking to much internally. I am thinking about taking out one of rings on one side and replace it by shims. I have also an older Godox to Bowens flash holder which has a rubber rings that use friction instead of theeth.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi mmmfotografie,

      Do you have a second FTR-16 receiver to try with the strobe?

      Its possible this could be bug though with some firmware version/s.
      .

      Adorama really wanted Godox to improve the swivel handle motion. But Godox admitted they are not very advanced with industrial design like this yet.

      Its very clunky, though at least the flash doesn’t slip / tilt down.

      • mmmfotografie 11 months ago

        I have tried a second FTR-16 and that did not resolved the problem. The LED stays on, on the receiver and when I am lucky it will reset itself after 20 seconds or so. I had even a lockup after only on flash.

        I have one of the first s-brackets which has not that clunky swivel that the later versions have an now also the AD600.

        I maybe lockup the swivel and put an Manfrotto knee/swivel underneath it connection it to the stand.

  7. Will Pursell 11 months ago

    This system is AMAZING, I have been using it on a few weddings so far and its so much better then all the pocketwizard / flash / strobe system I was using. They do need to improve the UI on the x1 / 860ii via firmware but once that is figured out it should be amazing!!! physical controls to put on top of the x1 similar the the ac3 would be a big added bonus but this trigger is still 1000000000x better then the rovelight one!

  8. Owen 11 months ago

    Hi Elv,

    This post is a masterpiece. Thanks for putting it all together.

    I have one suggestion. In your description of the TT685C / V860IIC and the AD360IIC you write:

    >>5 Remote Groups In GR Mode – A / B / C / D / E (Pre 2012 Cameras – 3 Groups)

    This wording implies that with pre-2012 cameras the “Gr” mode works the same but is limited to 3 groups instead of 5. However, this is not the case, and for some people it could be a very important distinction. In fact “Gr” mode is not available at all with pre-2012 bodies, and if you select it on the flash, as soon as a half-press of the shutter button occurs, the flash gets booted right out of Gr mode.

    With pre-2012 cameras the Master mode can control up to 3 groups, but all flashes in all groups must either be in TTL mode or Manual mode. You cannot, e.g. have group A flashes in TTL and group B flashes in Manual.

    I hope this makes sense.

    Regards,

    Owen.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Owen,

      Thanks, yes I’ll have to expand on that description.

      I don’t like how it doesn’t mention the master mode (Group A) either, where the others have M as the master.

      Regarding the pre 2012 cameras though, I still think there is hope Godox can expand that to at least 5 groups with 2 as remote manual only.

      The engineers are likely quite capable of making a 3 TTL Group GR mode for pre 2012 cameras, where groups can be mixed and switched off. Its likely just a matter of getting the message across that this would be a much more desirable option.

  9. Romel M 11 months ago

    how about Fuji?

  10. Ricardo Gomez 11 months ago

    What a fantastic round-up! Seriously, I’ve never seen anyone do a product overview as detailed as this. Excellent job.

    I’ve been eyeing the Godox system ever since I saw the original AD360s. I wasn’t keen on their triggers with the use of dip switches to adjust settings. There is just no way I would be caught using that in any professional manner.

    But they’ve come along a good ways since then. The AD360II and AB600 is simply fantastic. The only thing I could possibly ask is to make them smaller/lighter and less expensive. But the first item is quite trivial and I feel these items represent a great value.

    Being able to use a big strobe for a big key light and speedlites for accenting is so useful too. I mean, why would I want to carry three strobes (weight) or 6 speedlites (# of items) when I can use only what I really need in a truly efficient manner?

    I plan on rebuilding my lighting system and Godox is on top of the list for me. With so many quality options, it’s hard to go wrong.

  11. Reto 11 months ago

    just a thank you for your work and the great overview.
    thze godox system becomes really interesting … although most of us might be heavily invested in other brands.

  12. Owen 11 months ago

    Hi Elvis,

    One further note:

    From your section on the AD360II-C:

    >>Groups AD360II-C – 5 Remote Groups In GR Mode – A / B / C / D / E (Pre 2012 Cameras – 3 Groups)

    I don’t own this flash, but I don’t think this is correct (yet?). I think the AD360II with current firmware (2.6) does not do Gr mode. I just went and asked on POTN and the first response (from Rand) confirmed my impression.

    Owen.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Sorry your’re right, thanks Owen.

      I thought this had been added in the V2.6 firmware, though it seems that only adds the Sony radio slave mode.

      I thought Godox had all the GR Group Mode firmware ready a few weeks ago, so I’m not sure whats happening there with the AD360II-C now. Hopefully GR mode is in the the next firmware update then.

  13. Chris 11 months ago

    Nice overview. I’m just getting into flash photography and decided to get a couple of the Flashpoint version of the v850ii along with the Flashpoint version of the X1. Any news on when the v850ii, along with rebranded versions might become available?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Chris,

      I’m really not sure when the V850II will be available. I thought they were due a couple of weeks ago, so it looks like there is some delay.

      I’m not sure if Godox have actually even publicly announced them at any stage yet. So it could possibly even be they have V850 stock they want to move first.

      • Scoob 11 months ago

        The only “OFFICIAL” release I have seen on the V850ii by godox was this pub that they put out a while back.

        http://www.godox.com/EN/NewsPage23.html

        I have the V860ii-C and absolutely love it. I have been VERY anxiously awaiting the V850ii. The only sad part for me was that Cheetahstand would not be carrying it. So it looks like I will have to switch over to purchasing flashpoint brand for future purchases.

  14. Jimmy 11 months ago

    Hi Elvis,

    I wanted to add that the current X system, no matter the transmitter, has a hard time turning off groups with remote XTR16s receiver on the original v850, and XTR16 on original AD 360. I’m told this works fine with new X series v860II, AD360 II, and AD600BM II, just not with the older units with 2.4ghz receivers attached.

    This is quite inconvenient for event shooters who use multiple OCF units and need to quickly turn off a group. I hope they fix this soon, so that we can use our old v850s with new 2.4ghz receivers attached with the new X system.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Jimmy,

      There is a bug with the latest V15 for the X1T-C which won’t allow you to turn the group off at all using the XTR-16/s receivers.

      So I’m not sure which transmitters and firmware your referring to, though if anything Godox just made things worse rather than fixing the issue. I suspect that may be why the V15 firmware is only listed on the Chinese website at the moment.

      Strangely the Nikon version X1T-N transmitter is more responsive with the XTR-16/s receivers, so I’m not sure if you’re including those in your list of transmitters. You lose HSS (and TTL) using the X1T-N with a Canon camera though.

      • Ulysses 11 months ago

        As you know, I don’t like to be disagreeable. However, on the Nikon side of things, the X1N-T transmitter with firmware v15 was very buggy, and even more bugs existed when pairing with the XTR16 and XTR16 S receivers for legacy flashes. A number of Nikon photographers have verified this along with my own results. It was bad.

        Many of the issues, notably those issues with the XTR16 and XTR16S receivers seemed to have been resolved with firmware v16. I haven’t yet tested as thoroughly as I would like; however, early indications look promising. The test button works; I can change power levels; I can place multiple legacy flashes on different groups. I’ll try to circle back to this as I hear from other Nikon users and have had a chance to test in the field.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 11 months ago

          Hi Ulysses,

          No worries, I was just referring to the way the Nikon transmitters are for some reason more responsive with the XTR-16/s receivers, particularly with setting the flashes to OFF etc.

          If you haven’t tried the Canon X1T-C transmitter with XTR-16/s, you may not have seen how they don’t respond straight away to transmitter setting changes.

          Yes the Nikon side of things have had a number of issues with the XTR-16/s. It was due to the Nikon issues the XTR-16/s were originally recalled and updated.

          • Ulysses 11 months ago

            Apparently even after firmware v1.3 for the V860II-N, there is still an important bug that seems unresolved. If using more than one V860II-N as a master flash to control legacy Godox lights such as the AD360 original or the V850 via the XTR16 & XTR16S receivers, those slaves will obey only the most recent power level change request. In other words, when using the V860II-N as master in conjunction with another master to control older generation Godox lights the settings from the first master is retained when switching to a different V860II-N master.

            Interestingly when using an X1T-N, a half press of the test button or a shutter activation reverts all settings to what is set on the current X1T-N. On the V860II-N, however you will actually need to make a change in power settings for the current V860II-N master’s settings to take effect. This is not impossible to deal with, but it’s incredibly inconvenient during the heat and rapidly changing circumstances of event shooting.

  15. nixland 11 months ago

    One thing that Godox triggers are lack of : feature to trigger individual groups without having to turn off other groups first.

    And no support for pre 2012 Canon camera for Group mode.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Nixland,

      Yes, as you know I’ve suggested they update the XT-32 transmitter to allow the current group only to fire if selected, though it doesn’t look like Godox have made any updates for the XT-32 at this stage. So I’m not sure if they will update the XT-32 or not.

      If / when they make an X2 transmitter, that’s really got to be more light meter friendly this time. You should be able to quickly select whichever groups you like to test fire, or adjust power levels of together or individually.

      • nixland 11 months ago

        I see.
        Let’s hope they put that feature either on XT-32 or new X2.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 11 months ago

          I really hope they eventually put it on both.

          Because the XT-32 may not be a high end transmitter, though they are clearly aimed at remote manual lights like the QT600IIM studio lights, which if anything are going to use more often with light meters than the portable TTL strobes. So they really need to add it to both.

          As well as turning groups on and off quickly on the XT-32, without dialing the power down to zero.

  16. Leslie 11 months ago

    Can i confirm if the TT600 is the same power as the TT685?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Leslie,

      Yes they should be the same output. The V850 / V860 /V860II should all be the same as well.

  17. Kevin 11 months ago

    If they make an X2 transmitter they should provide an interface like the Odin. Doesn’t have to be exactly like that, but a bigger display to make changes and not have to have this cryptic custom function interface where you need to remember what custom function 5 does, but it can tell you what it does.

  18. Fabien Nissels 11 months ago

    Hello,
    I’m using the new AD360II for Nikon and I’ve noticed something strange when using it in HSS:
    If I put the flash directly on the camera I get a significantly less powerfull strobe than if I trigger it using the X1T-N (with the flash on a light stand). Is it normal? Why?
    Thanks!

  19. sampyth 11 months ago

    Hello,

    This is a great overview and comes in at the perfect timing as I am considering investing in multiple units of the V860II Nikon version. I would like to use the TTL and HHS features when used as on camera flash but also in manual wireless remote in my home studio. My understanding is that I will be able to control the flash output remotely using an X1T on camera without having to physically adjust anything on the remote flash. From the description above I would not be able to control the head zoom remotely. My question is when using the wireless remote feature in manual (no TTL) will I be able to get an accurate reading when using a flash meter? Not sure if the flash needs to be set in TTL to work remotely thus emitting the pres-flash TTL (similar to Yongnuo). Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you

  20. Strobius 11 months ago

    I tested Godox AD600B with Canon 7D + X1C and can say that there are some problems in E-TTL mode.
    FEC doesn’t work at all from transmitter. From camera works but not correctly..((
    And TTL works without stability. It can be right exposure but can be not.
    I sent feedback to Godox. Hope they will fix this problem in future firmwares.

    With new cameras >2012 (Canon 6D, Canon 5DMIII) everything is OK.

  21. Juan Gamundi 11 months ago

    I just have a question.

    GODOX TT600 / V850II
    On-Camera Dedication – UNIVERSAL / SONY (Single Pin)

    I don’t understand why there are two options? Universal & Sony (Single Pin)
    I have Godox V850 as old version… Will do this flash work on Sony Mirrorless Cameras? I wonder about this situation.

    Thank you

  22. paul t 11 months ago

    Do you think that Godox could make it possible to disable HSS on the AD600? I have a workaround with a simple Yongnuo trigger on top of the X1 to make HS (the Elinchrom-way) possible,only at full power,and that gives almost 1,5 stop more light then HSS,and is very useful in sunny conditions.

    • Daniele 11 months ago

      can you explain better this setup? please. sound reaaally interesting…

      • paul t 11 months ago

        Shooting HS(full power,non stroboscopic) instead of HSS(stroboscopic) by using a Yongnuo trigger on top of the X1,and a Yongnuo as a receiver connected to the AD 600.Setting the X1 deliberately to a wrong channel,and at a delay setting of about 30,gives me about 1,5 stop more light than normal HSS!!Very useful in sunlight.HS,the Elinchrom-way.Wouldn’t it be nice if Godox made it possible to disable HSS through a firmware update?

        • nixland 11 months ago

          How did you measure it’s 1,5 stops more light? At what shutter speed?
          I know HSS mode will reduce strobe exposure compared to normal mode using ND filter. My AD360 loose 1 2/3 stops in HSS compared to normal mode with ND. I tried HS/hypersync mode but the gradient is too obvious using full frame camera.

          So I wonder how can it can get 1.5 stops using hypersync/HS, because 1.5 stops more light on HS as you said is equal to 3 unit of AD600 on HSS. That looks to extreme to me.

          • paul t 11 months ago

            Hi Nixland,I’m not sure how much it is exactly,but it’s at least one stop,and the gradation is acceptable.
            I like it anyway,and I would like to be able to do this trick without extra triggers.Main reason for posting this ,is the hope that somebody at Godox reads this,and comes up with a firmware update for disabling HSS.

            • Author
              Flash Havoc 11 months ago

              Hi Paul,

              I have made a note of this and will pass it on next time I have a list ready.

              You can let Godox know yourself though as well at godox@godox.com.

  23. Sam 11 months ago

    FYI, the TT600 is available as TT600-S with MIS foot and not just a single point firing pin as stated.
    Here is a picture of all 3 versions, TT600-S, TT685II-S and V860II-S
    https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7396/27279216535_f639ec2a13_o.jpg

  24. Onkel 11 months ago

    I have Sony a7rii. Never use a flash on camera. Anyone know how mos power Can the ad3600ii have? Lower than v860ii?

    Dual v860 or ad360ii?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Onkel,

      Depending on the modifier or softbox etc used, the AD360II can provide around the power of 4 V860II.

  25. Markanini 11 months ago

    I’m wondering whether it’s wiser to get Yongnuo YN685+YN622-TX or Godox TT685+X1.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Markanini,

      If its just the flash and transmitter you’re after, then either set up will likely do a similar job.

      The Godox flash is probably a bit nicer, while the YN-622 are currently arguably a nicer transmitter (though less groups available).

      If you’re looking to expand the system later though, Godox already have the most options available, and its pretty clear they will have the most new options and developments to come in the near future as well.

      I think its fair to say the Godox speedlites have shown a better reliability record (or lower failure rate) so far. Though it remains to be seen how Godox go with that into the future.

      It just depends on your own needs.

  26. Joey Mcsqueeb 11 months ago

    Does anyone know if the AD360II can hypersync/supersync (not HSS) triggered using an X1T on a Nikon D800? What kind of shutter speeds are usable?

  27. Apostolos 11 months ago

    I’m seriously considering switching to this system. Right now I have Yongnuo flashes, both manual and TTL and AD-360s, the manual version, and I have four different triggers to run them! A complete pain in the ass, not to mention that you have to train on all of them every new assistant. Can you get us a good deal for he TLL version of the XLPLOR 600, even though Adorama can’t keep them in stock?!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Apostolos,

      Adorama have said they should be able to do some good deals for us later.

      At the moment as you mention they are still just getting stock in. The early shipments were being flown in to help get things started quickly. I would imagine we will have to wait for a boat with some serious stock.

      I think they will be keen to move the TTL versions though.

  28. Duc 11 months ago

    Great write-up! This is the most comprehensive source of info for the Godox system. I hope Godox is paying you for the great marketing content.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Thanks Duc,

      I think that cheque maybe lost in the mail though (along with the previous one for countless hours of customer service 🙂 ).

  29. Markz 11 months ago

    Great post, I will point all those that ask me about my system at this article, it’s a great overview, thank you. I have two AD360’s and two V850’s which I use in manual mode as I use m43 gear, so a big +1 for Olympus/Panasonic compatibility, especially HSS mode.

    • Ian Cheung 11 months ago

      Hi Markz,

      I also use Olympus with v850s, do you know if you can get HSS working with just the X1 transmitter and XTR-16S receivers? I can get it working in a hacky way with a HSS capable flash and the FT16 transmitter but it’s a hassle.

  30. Mark 11 months ago

    Elivs, what a masterpiece! Thanks so much for all your labors of love!

  31. Apostolos 11 months ago

    Well, I for one, am seriously thinking of getting rid of all my strobes (except my 1200w Elinchroms) and replacing them with Godox, the Flashpoint variety to be exact, in order to get the U.S. based service/support. I have manual Flashpoint360s nowand they seem to be fairly reliable, except for one of the led power indicator light on one of the batteries going out. The idea of the features of the strobes (TTL and HSS) plus the fact that I will be controlling them with one trigger is huge. Right now I have Yongnuo speedlites, TTL and manual and AD360s and I have five different sets of triggers!!! The TTL version of the AD 600, or the 600 XPLOR is first on my list and I’m grabbing one as soon as Adorama stocks it again.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Good news is the next batch of XPLOR 600 will come with the Flashpoint custom made Bowens mount 7″ reflector, which wraps closely around the flash tube to provide more output, like the original Godox mount units.

  32. peter 11 months ago

    Small diffuser / reflector for AD600 ? Anyone know of a dome / cap for on the go shooting? I found a Jinbei / Rovelight reflector which is 5″…..would love to leave the 7″ reflector and black cap home….Great overview. Enjoying my ad360 for a year now, and just got the 600.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Peter,

      I’ve bought the 5″ Jinbei reflector off Ebay previously, and it is almost identical to the Rovelight reflector.

      The thing I didn’t realise until we started studying the output of the AD600 and Rovelight, is that the 5″ reflector is terribly inefficient compared to the 7″ reflectors, on either strobe.

      The 5″ reflector loses over a stop to the 7″, and the Rovelight / Jinbei diffuser cover is less efficient than the Flashpoint XPLOR supplied 7″ diffuser as well.
      .

      I was originally always suggesting Flashpoint supply a compact 5″ reflector with the AD600. Though when we found the strobes power was less than the Rovelight, and that the Rovelight reflector was also very inefficient, the 5″ reflector idea was scratched pretty quickly.

      Flashpoint have another new 7″ reflector coming with the next batch of XPLOR 600, which should make them more efficient again (by wrapping closely around the flash tube, like the original Godox mount reflectors).

      So for a strobe that’s almost a stop less powerful than the Rovelight, it could likely be almost a stop more powerful if compared with standard reflector and diffusers in place.

      So short answer is the 5″ Jinbei reflectors are compact, though they take a hit in overall power.

      I think Flashpoint would need to spend some time to develop a smaller reflector which is tuned better to the AD600 flash tube design, if that even turned out to be possible. (It may actually be interesting to cut up an AD360 reflector to see how that reacts with the larger AD600 flash tubes).

      • peter 11 months ago

        Wow, thanks for the info. Yes, was thinking of getting a flange type s ring and and 5″ white plexi cylinder or cutting up a lumedyne / ad360 reflector. The Rove reflector may be fine as I’m often not near full power and diffusing anyway…would seem the best option for safety and speed…if not efficiency.

  33. peter 11 months ago

    Bowens mount…

    • jonas 11 months ago

      How do you compare bowens with profoto and elinchrom mount?

  34. jonas 11 months ago

    I never use my flashen on camera. Two questions

    1. No meantion the lowest power setting and flash verry importaion when you shoot with shallow dept of field.

    2. I don’t get it is AD360II compatible with sony or not? There is only Canon and Nikon version.

    • Rob 11 months ago

      @jonas, yes it is compatible with your Sony. You will need to purchase the X1TS trigger and either the 360II for Nikon or Canon with the latest firmware installed and you will have TTL/HSS for your Sony. There is an video over on youtube that explains this!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Jonas,

      1. Unfortunately I can’t fit all the individual flash specs in this overview of the system (otherwise the post would be huge). There are links to click through to an overview of each flash though, with more details there.

      The minimum power level for all the speedlites and AD360/II is currently 1/128. And 1/256 for the AD600 / XPLOR 600.

      2. There is no AD360II with Sony on-camera TTL compatibility at this stage. Godox did intend to make a on-camera Sony version, though I suspect they may have run into issues with the delicate plastic Sony Multi Interface hotshoe foot. The AD360II are fairly big heavy flashes as far as an on-camera flash goes, so the Sony foot may not be ideal for this.

      The Canon and Nikon version AD360II both have Canon, Nikon, and Sony, TTL radio slave modes enabled. So for off camera use you can use either of those as TTL radio slave flashes, provided you use an X1T-S transmitter, or Sony master flash on-camera like the TT658S or V860II-S.
      .

      The AD360II flashes also come with a flat base plate which can be screwed to the base of the flash instead of having any hotshoe foot assembly there at all.

      So once you screw that flat base on the flash it basically a slave flash only, universal for Canon, Nikon, or Sony radio slave modes.

  35. Seamless Media 11 months ago

    I have the Xplor 600 TTL, X1C, and Zoom TTL R2 Flash. Some observations/wishlist:
    Xplor 600 TTL
    – Before I received the X1 I tried using the canon optical control, it works well other than the fact that the optical receiver is on the TOP of the unit so as soon as you put it up on a stand above camera level it’s useless. Most people will never use the optical anyway once they have a proper transmitter.
    – The LED modeling light is great for evening outdoor shoots to help achieve focus on the subject, wish it was a little more powerful to cut through modifiers. Would be cool to have a proportional power setting, although that’s more suited for powerful modeling lights. I only foresee using the highest setting.
    – Remote Head, have been waiting months for the Flashpoint to be released, it’s getting pretty frustrating. I’ve almost ordered cheetah or godox versions, but am holding out for the refined FP version, the product page has been updated with photos that show a nice ring that fastens into the bowens mount to secure/seal the cord mount. I also hope they are making improvements to the carrying bag, I ordered a godox version upon anticipation of the remote head before I knew it would be included, and upon testing it, it is pretty horrible. The strap mounting points are to low, so the bag easily dumps out the strobe if you’re not careful, and the belt loop strap is also to low as well for the same reason, it also has pretty weak Velcro and wouldn’t trust it not to simply fall off. Once the extension is attached to the head there is no way to close the top, and there is no room to close it with the bulb in place and/or bulb cover. A little more room at the top, and a slit in the cover would allow the cord/mount to slip through.

    Zoom TTL R2 Flash
    – Would be nice to have a lever lock like Canon /Youngnou.
    – Would be nice to be able to trigger the modeling light on the Xplor 600 when mounted on camera.
    – Recycle time is mediocre, if you are mixing flashes with the strobe, you will want the Lion version, or the battery packs to attach. Even then the strobe is so much more powerful that a better match is going to be one of the bare bulb flashes for fill/rim light etc. The Lion will be good for an on camera TTL at events etc.
    – Excited to see what the AD200 brings if speculations are correct!

    X1C
    – Definitely would like Odin/Canon RT style TTL controller with buttons for individual groups.
    – Would like to have the option to keep the current group active (flashing) so that I can adjust power with a quick touch of the wheel. Right now the controls are sluggish and it takes an extra few seconds to push the group button, wait to see if the group you want is flashing, and then make the adjustment. All that would be needed is a timeout defeat via firmware.
    – TTL, I’m still not confident in the consistency of the TTL system, will have to put it through some more use to see if I can find a good workflow using it. Since the Canon system FEL (Flash Exposure Lock) doesn’t HOLD the value after the shutter fires, you have to take a reading for each shutter click. I really hope Canon adds FEL and Hold like they added the AE Lock and Hold. It would be awesome if the X1C could have a hybrid or modified TTL feature that would keep the FEL value until another FEL reading is taken. Or alternately in manual mode, allow the FEL button to take a reading and set the selected group’s manual power level. This would very quickly give a nice starting point when setting up a shot, as well as allowing quick adjustment for each lighting change without having to touch the transmitter to make changes.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Seamless,

      Thanks for the detailed feedback!

      Regarding the XPLOR 600 LED modelling light. Thanks, yes we actually had some discussion about this, as Flashpoint were looking at refining the flash tube mount, and I was suggesting to surround the flash tubes with LED lights at that point.

      I think Godox (or at least Flashpoint) are aware now, that the LED modelling lights are pretty much the only thing holding cordless strobes back from taking over a lot more from AC powered strobes in the studio as well. So that’s got to be the next big advancement. It doubles into the hybrid strobe / video light area as well.

      Yes the Flashpoint remote head has a new secure locking plate. I’ll check on the carry bag design.

      Zoom TTL R2 – Thanks, yes again Flashpoint and Godox have had an ear-bashing around a more refined master flash. I don’t think its Godox’s current priority, though its bound to come in time.

      The AD200 are definitely coming. Though I get the impression they are going to be more like a bare bulb speedlight than a larger flash like the name suggests. I’m sure they will still be very popular though, as even regular bare bulb speedlites have been strangely neglected by everyone else. We harassed YongNuo a long time ago for those with no success.

      X1T-C – Thanks, yes I’m working on X2 transmitter design suggestions now. Your comments are actually in line with what I have already. Though any suggestions are welcome and I’ve been making a note of them.

      What actually comes of it I’m not sure yet, though Adorama are wanting a more refined transmitter, and they are lot more on the ball with whats needed than Godox alone.

  36. Kai 11 months ago

    Hi,

    Thanks for the overview! Unfortunately, this system has grown so complex and I seem to be such an unattentive reader that there are still some (more?) questions open for me. Most of all, the transmitters are just… too complex. Say I wanted to use an old AD360 or AD180 with HSS and 2.4 GHz radio units. What transmitters and receivers would I then need? An XT32 transmitter and … an XTR-16 receiver?

    Thank you very much for your efforts and this website!
    Kai

    • Ulysses 11 months ago

      Kai, it sounds like you’ve simply become overwhelmed by all the written information. The Godox 2.4 GHz system itself is relatively simple. But it’s also rather deep. The reason is because Godox has been on the fast track not only to provide a radio-frequency system of strobes, bare bulb super-flashes, speedlights and radios, but they’ve also been making the effort to build compatibility across no less than three major brands of camera manufacturers. Add to this the effort to bring compatibility between the new 2.4 GHz system and the older 433 MHz system, there’s a LOT of flexibility so that no one needs to feel left out, whether they’ve been with the Godox gear for a rather long time or they’re relatively new to the system today.

      To answer your question:
      If you have an older AD360 or AD180, you need to add the new XTR16 receiver. I looks physically and operates just like the USB-based dongle you currently use, only it will receive on the 2.4 GHz frequency. You will also need either an X1 transmitter that will fit into the hot shoe of your camera brand, or else the newer XT32 transmitter. The latter gives only manual control rather than TTL. However, either transmitter will give you HSS.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Thanks Kai,

      Yes as you (and Ulysses) suggested the XT32 transmitter and and an XTR-16 receiver would to the trick.

      You can use an X1T transmitter as well. If you wanted to add any TTL lights then the X1T would be the way to go. Otherwise the XT32 generally have a clearer interface for now.

  37. Art 11 months ago

    any idea if there will be an issue with AD and AQ600ii running together?
    (one of each)

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Art,

      I think they work great together.

      The only main issue I see (if you call it that), is that you lose 1/10th power graduations on the QT600II if using the X1T or XT32 transmitters and the AD600 at the same time. Because you have to pick one power scale, and the AD600 can only operate in 1/3rd stops.

      Differences you notice though are the QT can recycle faster at high power levels, and have a much brighter modelling light than the AD600. Not really an issue, just they way they are designed.

  38. robert 11 months ago

    What does the new firmware update for AD360ii N, TT685N and V860ii N change?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Robert,

      AD360II-N –
      V2.5 – Solves the out-of-sync triggering problem when using FEL in the Radio Master mode.
      V2.4 – Adds the Sony TTL radio slave mode, compatible with the X1T-S transmitter.

      TT685N –
      V2.8 – Solves the out-of-sync triggering problem when using FEL in the Radio Master mode.
      V2.7 – Solves an overexposure (with some cameras) when using radio wireless and HSS.

      V860II –
      V1.3 – Solves the out-of-sync triggering problem when using FEL in the Radio Master mode.

  39. Thiago 11 months ago

    Hmm I am slowly buying my flash rig, had already bought y622n triggers for Nikon and when I was about to buy the TX I stumble upon this 😀

    Thinking about selling these triggers and getting a X1n system. Godox (ok, pushed by Adorama) seems to be going faster with fixes and also do have a flash with Master commander available (which currently for Nikon Yongnuo has not).

    Am I missing anything?

    • Alex 11 months ago

      Nope. I have several flash system (Yongnou, Statos, Nikon CLS, Godox)

      I think Godox is the best flash system if you do not want to spend big money.

  40. Niels Gram 11 months ago

    I haven’t yet found the ideal radio flash trigger that will work for me in all cases. I will spare you all the details but I wanted to test the XT32 because it mostly fits the bill for my ideal trigger. Also I find the AD600 very attractive so I would potentially like to ad it to my mix of speedlites. So I have purchased a XT32 and a X1R-C to test the trigger with my speedlites. Well… it doesn’t work at all ! The speedlites (Canon 600EX-RT and 580II) switches to ETTL mode when mounted on the X1R-C and when it is triggered, it fires at full power. The XT32 is unable to control the flash power of the speedlite. My guess is that the X1R-C isn’t able to translate between the Godox protocol used between the X1R-C and the XT32 and the Canon protocol used between the X1R-C and the speedlite and need to be controlled from a X1-C transmitter in order to work. The firmware versions of the XT32 is 1.7 and the X1R-C is 1.4. The latter isn’t the newest available from Godox but since I don’t have access to a Windows PC I’m unable to firmware-upgrade the devices. I was hoping that Godox had been smart enough to expose the firmware flash as a FAT drive (this is what Pixel does in the KingPro and King X) but they don’t.

  41. Niels Gram 11 months ago

    I just ran the Chinese X1R-C firmware release notes through Google translate. The X1C-R and XT32 may work together if I could only firmware upgrade the X1R-C to the newest version 1.5:

    V15 1, allows the user to change the mode and the output value of the receiver mounted on the hot shoe flashing lights.

    A bit odd that Godox add this so long time after product launch…

    • Niels Gram 11 months ago

      Being an engineer I decided to try to figure out how to firmware upgrade the X1R-C on my Linux PC.
      Warning: This is going to be nerdy…
      Connecting the X1R-C to the PC and running lsusb reviled that it is based on an Atmel chip. I downloaded Atmel FLIP for Linux, ran the Godox firmware upgrade program in Wine (which I knew would ultimately fail because USB isn’t accessible from Wine) to get the firmware and other part specific files that I needed to update the firmware with FLIP and downloaded a 32-bit java version from Oracle. After some hacking I managed to brick the X1R-C (nothing happened when disconnected from USB and turned on). After a little more hacking I managed to restore the original firmware (which I had saved to disk prior to erasing the flash) and the X1R-C came to life again. So I’m able to erase, program and read back the firmware flash. My problem now is that the firmware hex-file I got from the Godox firmware upgrade program doesn’t seem to work…

      • Niels Gram 11 months ago

        Does anyone have the X1R-C v1.4 firmware update ? I would like to have a look at the firmware hex file to try to figure out what is wrong with the 1.5 firmware I’ve been trying to upload to my X1R-C. I’m pretty sure that my Linux-based firmware update procedure does work as intended but the firmware is broken. I would also like to hear from people that has successfully updated their X1R-C to firmware version 1.5. It seems to me that the firmware on the English Godox download page must be broken somehow.

        • Kevin 11 months ago

          I still have a copy of v1.4 since it’s the latest I’ve upgraded to. Email me at kevin360 at yahoo and I can get it to you.

          • Niels Gram 11 months ago

            Kevin thank you very much ! I have now flashed my X1R-C with the 1.4 firmware directly from the .rar file you provided and it works ! The problem with the v1.5 firmware the X1R-C 1.5 firmware update from Godox isn’t for the receiver… it is for the transmitter ! and it does not work on the receiver hardware. So Godox messed up the firmware update. This is a 3 weeks old update so it seems that nobody else have tried to update to this release.

  42. Quky 11 months ago

    Would the X1T for sony do hss on the Adorama Rovelight RL 600 like the YongNuo YN622C do with the Rovelight trigger on top off it plus the pc cable. Like the picture below
    http://flashhavoc.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/RoveLight_23_d850.jpg

    • Quky 11 months ago

      to answer my own question yes it does also without the pc cable.

  43. Dejan Nikolic 11 months ago

    hello, one question:
    i have ad360 with triger ft16(433mhz), now i will get AD600 TTL with X1C triger, Is there a way to link old and new flash, example X1C is on hot shoe of my camera canon 5DS, and put ft16 on X1C, is it working?

    • Ulysses 11 months ago

      As described in Elv’s painstakingly but well-detailed article, YES. You can tie your new series of lights with the old. You will need to purchase the new XTR16 receiver and plug that into your AD360. The FT16 will have no role here because operates on a completely different frequency (433 MHz compared with the new 2.4 GHz).

  44. Gil 11 months ago

    See the Godox V850II is now available on ebay for $149. Wonder if it’s better to just get the V860II ttl version from Adorama for the extra $30.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Godox-V850II-Newest-Camera-Flash-2-4G-Wireless-for-DSLR-Canon-Nikon-Pentax-/322166708088?hash=item4b02a1d778:g:h3YAAOSwNuxXbKM8

    • Ulysses 11 months ago

      Gil: IMHO it’s worth spending the extra $30. From Adorama you’ll receive the support and warranty of a U.S. seller. Also if you spread that $30 over the likely period that you’ll own and use the speedlight, then this additional cost is very little indeed.

  45. steffe 11 months ago

    AD600B or AD360II can’t really decide what to buy. Are going to use it onlocation portrait, weddings and so….

  46. Gil 11 months ago

    Steffe,
    If you can handle the extra 3 3/4lbs and it’s it your budget, go for the AD600B. More power is almost always better. I like the extra power that the rovelight 600 affords me when doing weddings. I believe the recycle time is also faster.(2.5 vs 4.5 sec)

  47. Alex 11 months ago

    Nikon & Fuji & Leica

    I use several brands. The X1T-N (Nikon) works on all three brands in manual!

    So at last I can use all my Godox flashes without hassle on all three camera systems

    (IMHO TTL is overated: It gives you more or less random results… Only Nikon CLS work kind of intelligent. Yongnou and Godox TTL is okay… but is not on the level with Nikon)

  48. Adri 11 months ago

    Hi, I invested in the Godox X1 radio system (Nikon version), also due to the good reviews on this site.

    I’m a bit disappointed:

    A) I read about 5 groups and thought it might be similar to the new Phottix Odin II system, but:

    1) in most combinations you only get 3 groups at the moment

    2) even when you have 5 groups, only groups 1 to 3 can be TTL!! I’m a bit suprised that this – in my opionion big disadvantage – doesn’t seem to be emphasized anywhere?!

    [When I start with the first 2 or 3 groups I might use manual and metered flashes or TTL. When I add another (less important) effect flash and want to be quick without metering etc., I would like to simply put in a TTL flash. But groups 4 and 5 can’t be TTL… So I have to rearrange groups… EXTREMELY clumsy and inconvenient system]

    B) In my opionion ergonomics of the X1 sender is very bad.
    And considering that Godox is more or less using us users as beta testers and is quite a small company, therefore delaying many things (I have the remote heads, especially the 1200WS on backorder for almost half a year now at Adorama…), I don’t think there will be a ergonomic potent transmitter soon.

    My BASIC requirement for a modern radio flash system would be:
    – good ergonomic transmitter, easy and fast correction of all groups (best would be one dial for every group – is this so obvious superior input system so hard to implement? 🙁 )
    – 5 groups with easy switch TTL/manual

    Unfortunately this can’t be delivered by the Godox system at all. I’m surprised that it got such good reviews on this forum (luring me into buying it… but my fault of course listening to others).

  49. Ulysses 11 months ago

    Adri, I have to honestly say that many of your complaints come off a little humorous. 🙂

    First of all, the Flash Havoc reviews themselves are very thorough and detailed, as well as forthright about not only the strengths of the system but also the weaknesses. And then you have the users themselves who have written dozens upon dozens — even hundreds — of comments and observations about their real-world use of the system. Either you ignored all of the down-sides and challenges of the Godox system in your eagerness to buy, or you simply missed those pieces of info. Admittedly it may be difficult to read every single snippet of info. But that missed post or that missed comment may have been the one that might have made you think about your tolerance levels for problems that might occur.

    It’s quite a stretch to blame this site and even the users and other informal reviewers, and to say these had the effect of luring you into buying a system you otherwise wouldn’t have purchased. Perhaps you needed to do more research or you maybe simply needed to find out for yourself if this was the right system for you or not.

    Something else to consider: Each photographer might work a little differently. For example, three groups is usually going to be enough for the vast majority of photographers — most don’t even use more than one slave flash. Often those that need more than three groups are going to have those groups in Manual mode, not TTL mode. So your usage case of wanting the D and E groups to have TTL activated might be less of a disappointment if you had researched more thoroughly. This was a well-known design of the X1 transmitter.

    I do agree with you on a couple of points. On some components, there are 5 groups, while on others there are still only 3 allowable. Godox is bringing better compatibility, over time. For example, the Canon AD360II recently was updated by firmware so it now has 5 groups. I expect the Nikon version will also, and maybe we can expect the same of the V860II as well.

    Like yourself, I don’t care for the control interface of the X1 transmitter. It can be awkward and slow when dealing with multiple groups. But keep in mind this is still the very first generation of this product. No doubt, there will be refinements to its design and control layout. Keep ind mind, also, that there are other transmitters available in this system, so maybe one of the other transmitters will be more to your liking. This is why Godox has designed such a broad and flexible system, because no two photographers want exactly the same things.

    While the system is still developing, it’s also one of the broadest and most complete systems available. Some of the issues you’ve identified are because this system is young. Others are simply quirks with your own usage needs where the Godox components may not fit the specifics of what you’re looking for.

    • Adri 11 months ago

      Just a few clarifications (which unfortunately are needed it seems…):

      a) Me having bought into the Godox system due to the largely positive reviews on this site is a fact.

      b) I didn’t BLAME anybody for this (on the contrary I said, quote, “my fault”) [If it came across this way you might take into account that English is – obviously – not my mother tongue.]

      c) After using the Godox system [and comparing it to professional and of course much more expensive equipment like profoto, hensel etc.] I’m not too happy with it. (Will probably sell it.)

      d) Before buying into the Godox system I THOUROUGHLY read user reviews (in this forum). I knew e.g. how to see t 0.1 flash duration times long before even buying any godox flash – and thought this was a cool thing. You too? 😉

      e) I had (and still have) the impression, that the opinion on the Godox system in this forum – below the line! – is very positive. (Speaking of CORE functionality and usability in practice, not “details” like firmware upgrade problems, remote head problems etc.).

      f) In my opinion this largely positive appraisal on this forum is imbalanced and doesn’t go together with my personal quality standards for prof. photo gear.

      g) So i wrote the short text above as a “contrapoint” to these predominant positive feedbacks. So that other/potential buyers also hear another more critical view. In my opinion that’s what a forum like this is good for.

      h) You write “So your usage case of wanting the D and E groups to have TTL activated might be less of a disappointment if you had researched more thoroughly. This was a well-known design of the X1 transmitter.”

      I knew this. Seems you didn’t exactly read what I said: I was surprised that this “feature” (no TTL on all 5 groups) is not very much EMPHASIZED and negatively critizcized in this forum. I didn’t say it was’nt MENTIONED on this forum.

      By the way, the Godox system was often seen as a direct (and in many respects better) rival to the Phottix system. And phottix does offer 5 groups with TTL. I was surprised that this was largely seen not as a big problem. Maybe because most ppl here simply don’t use more than 2 or 3 AD600s/AD360s?…

      It’s simply extremely annoying when you have to completely rearrange grouping when you are in the process of refining your lighting setup with more lights and notice you would prefer TTL on the last added lights… The limitation of first three groups TTL, last two groups no TTL is in practice a real problem IF you have complex lighting setups with a lot of groups.

      It should be emphasized that this system is inferior in this respect to many other modern multi-group systems.

      Actually I’m wondering WHY there is this limit. Seems it has to to with the different approach Godox took when (reverse) engeneering the details of camera-flash communication and engaging in the Nikon/Canon/etc. protocols. As far as I know, e.g. the Phottix (or Yongnuo) systems always use preflashes, the Godox system doesn’t (an advantage 😉 ).

      By the way, I would have preferred a reply that shed some light on this, that is the technical reasons for the 3 group TTL limitations. Any thoughts on this? But on the contrary, unfortunately I have to say:

      h) Ulysses, I have to honestly say that many of your words are not mindbogglingly enlightening to me, sorry for this. Of course Godox System is evolving; of course not everyone needs 5 groups (of course you can take great photos with one-light-setups; of course manual is superior in many situations); of course it is the very first generation of this product (and I simply said it isn’t very ergonomic in the current state, that’s all); of course no two photographers want exactly the same thing [but I doubt Godox was limiting TTL to 3 groups, implementing the 5-group triggering inconsinstently among it’s product line and have no ergonomic transmitter BECAUSE IT WANTED TO BE KIND TO US and deliver diversity to different photographers… | -) ]; of course life consists of compromises and of course other systems aren’t the solution for everything; of course this is normal in a quickly developing environment. That wasn’t the point – but simply noting that in MY PERSONAL opinion it is – at the moment – not so good a system as quite some reviews implied and imply it is.

      I have no problem with other users who have another opinion on this and think, the Godox system is great. I think it has potential. But potential refers to the future, not presence 😉

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        Flash Havoc 11 months ago

        Ok everyone calm down for a second… 🙂

        Adri, I do actually understand where you’re coming from, and I do find it hard at the moment to present a good overall description of where the system is at right now, because there are so many varying components to it.

        If it helps yourself and others, I would say the strobes like the AD600B / XPLOR 600 and AD360II are very much professional quality. They basically have the whole established lighting industry playing catch up at the moment.

        And the TTL with those strobes is also very good. Arguably better than many alternatives.

        Godox do have previously been a long way behind in their radio trigger systems though. And what they have now is very much a work in progress. The X1 have pretty high latency for example.

        Though when Godox released the first X1 for Canon, they where already working very well with TTL and HSS etc. So they have come from nothing (in the way of radio TTL) to a very stable system on original release, which is very promising.

        .

        Godox have a lot of lose ends to work through now at the moment with the radio system, and that’s because of they way they are piecing this intercompatibility between brands together now as something of an afterthought.

        So the Nikon system only had 3 groups to start with. As did Canon outside of GR mode.

        Godox only recently added the last 2 groups to the Nikon system to match that up with what is available on the AD600B etc.

        But as you mentioned Godox’s radio system was originally engineered from the Nikon optic system which only provided the 3 groups in TTL. So at this stage they could obviously add 2 manual groups easily, though changing to 5 TTL groups may take a more substantial rework.

        I think that will no doubt happen in time, though it could be well down the track, I’m not sure.

        .

        Godox do have a lot of work to do still, and there is devil in the detail. Though a lot of other systems do not offer half this functionality, so its easier to say they have right the things they have done.

        And as you mentioned about the pre-flash with Phottix, I think they have some very fundamental hurdles to overcome in the way the Odin system is engineered. Otherwise there would be Sekonic light meter for the Odin system right now for example.

        The way the Godox system uses direct manual settings on the strobes, as well as auto detects the camera version signals is very promising.

        So Godox have some work to do, though it is very promising. And the base system is already very stable. Its mainly just the finer details and legacy units like the XTR-16 receivers and manual flashes that are running into bugs.

        I think you’ll find every system has its strong and weak point though. Selling up and buying something else may still not be an easy way to get what you’re after.

        • Ulysses 11 months ago

          Excellent advice, Elv. Otherwise, posts get longer and longer. 🙂

          I actually agree with Adri on multiple points. What’s ironic about the Godox system as it currently exists is that its strongest component — the X1 transmitter — can also be seen as its weakest component depending upon your point of view.

          Another area where Godox has had some issues is in their Nikon compatibility. But we’re seeing improvements lately in both the X1 transmitter, as well as in the V860II. As you alluded, any of the issues that remain are connected with bringing better compatibility with the XTR16 and XTR16S for legacy devices.

          Having a lot of experience with the Phottix system (which is pretty much the only other game in town as far as offering the triple threat of strobe, on-camera radio master speedlight, and radios), it’s easy to see where Godox has both an advantage as well as where they stumble a bit. Where they excel over Phottix is their nimbleness and ability to make course corrections via firmware. We’ve seen many of these adjustments come from feedback from early adopters. But that also has the understandable down-side of making some feel like they’re merely beta testers. My conclusion is that at least the Godox beta testers are getting a lot of support from the manufacturer, whereas with Phottix we felt as if we had no influence at all and no feedback from Phottix.

          Many photographers (myself included) have had to deal with some of those shortcomings during the course of using them on the job and have worked around those issues while we wait for a better alternatives. Some such as the XT32 look promising.

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        Flash Havoc 11 months ago

        I’ve just added a “D & E Are Remote Manual Groups Only” to the feature list in the X1-N post.

        That post was written before I knew that was the case. Its very hard to keep up with all these posts up to date, that’s why I’m wary of having too many posts on the same products. This has been discussed a lot in the various comments though.

        I did already note it in this system overview post under the V860II-N and TT865N master functions.
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        Also regarding the ergonomics etc of the X1 transmitter, its been mentioned quite a number of times this transmitter started development a long time ago, and had basically outgrown its required functions before it was released.

        With Adorama’s help we at least managed to get Godox to add the Page Mode where the groups don’t scroll around on the screen. Though I’m a bit disappointed now that Godox didn’t really finish that as good as it could be either.

        I’m working on suggestions for a new transmitter design for Adorama at the moment though.

  50. Marcus 11 months ago

    I have the Xplor 600 version by Flashpoint and trigger from Adorama, anyone know if the firmware is upgradeable with the Godox website firmware? Or do I need a separate Flashpoint firmware release?

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