GODOX & FLASHPOINT – 2.4GHz Flash System Overview

 

With the release of their 2.4GHz enabled strobes, Godox and Flashpoint have been putting together one of the most comprehensive and now popular radio flash systems currently available.

What’s attractive about the Godox ecosystem is not only the large range of well priced and innovative lights on offer, but also the complete compatibility throughout the system, from the cheapest remote manual speedlites, to the larger cordless TTL, and AC powered studio strobes.

With impressive releases like the AD600 PRO / XPLOR PRO, and AD200 / EVOLV 200, Godox are now leading the way in many respects, for others to follow.

Another major feature is the cross platform support for multiple camera systems. All of the speedlites and strobes in the Godox 2.4GHz system now provide auto sensing radio receiver modes for Canon, Nikon, Sony, M4/3, Fuji, and Pentax.

This means photographers using different camera brands can effectively share the same set of remote strobes at the same time. And this includes full TTL and HSS functionality where available.

 

 

So Godox have been developing a very versatile, practical, and affordable, radio flash system, now attracting a large user base worldwide.

Its not all perfect though, and still a work in progress in areas. With a system of this scale already having so many components, there are a number of (generally minor) quirks and details needing refinement over time, through firmware updates etc.

And although having the innovative advantage of built-in Lithium-ion batteries, the current Godox master speedlites have been a weak point in the system for wedding photographers, who would often like to see an on-camera master speedlite with refined features more closely matching the performance of the original Canon and Nikon speedlites.

Off camera TTL performance with strobes like game changing AD600 PRO / XPLOR PRO, and original AD600 / XPLOR have mostly been solid and consistent since their first release.

And the previous remote manual speedlites and bare bulb flashes have proven themselves to be solid workhorses over a number of years now. The Godox radio system has also shown to be generally reliable with good range.

NOTE – The Godox 2.4GHz radio system is not directly compatible with Canon or Nikon’s radio systems.

 

GODOX 2.4GHz FLASH SYSTEM OVERVIEW

 

Godox now provide a broad range of strobes with 2.4GHz radio built inside. This provides numerous transmitter, master, and receiver flash options.

All of the 2.4GHz hotshoe flashes function as both radio master and receiver units in the Godox system –

 

GODOX FLASH SYSTEM

 

And with the addition of clip on XTR-16/s radio receivers, a number of the previously popular legacy remote manual strobes can be combined as receiver flash units in the 2.4GHz flash system (using the transmitter and master flash units shown above).

These include the –

 

 

GODOX SYSTEM

 

NOTE – When looking at AC powered studio lights, at this stage its usually best to go with Mark II Godox lights which have the 2.4GHz radio receiver built inside, because the older AC lights often use different power scales which are no longer supported by current transmitters like the Xpro.

 

And your original Canon, Nikon, and Sony, TTL Speedlites, and non-Godox studio lights can also be combined in the system by attaching those to Godox X1R receiver units (as discussed further below).

 

 

ADORAMA FLASHPOINT R2 SYSTEM

 

In the USA Adorama also sell the Godox System under their Flashpoint branding, providing great support and helping to develop and refine the system.

The Flashpoint equipment is fully compatible with the original Godox branded gear, and Flashpoint provide up to 3 year full USA warranty.

And Adorama now also sell Godox branded products not listed under the Flashpoint branding.

 

 

Flashpoint have their own naming structure as tabled below –

 

FLASHPOINT R2 SYSTEM

 

Godox Xpro = Flashpoint R2 Pro Transmitter – Canon – Nikon – SonyM4/3Fuji – Pentax

Godox X1T = Flashpoint R2 TTL Transmitter – Canon – Nikon – Sony – M4/3 – Fuji
Godox X1R = Flashpoint R2 TTL Receiver – Canon – Nikon – Sony

Godox XT32 = Flashpoint R2T 32 Transmitter – Canon – Nikon

Godox A1 = Flashpoint M1 PRO

 

Godox TT350 = Flashpoint Zoom Mini R2 TTL – Canon – Nikon – Sony – M4/3 – Fuji
Godox V350 = Flashpoint Zoom Li-on Mini R2 TTLCanonNikon – SonyM4/3Fuji

Godox TT600 = Flashpoint Zoom R2 Manual
Godox V850II = Flashpoint Zoom Li-on R2 Manual

Godox TT685 = Flashpoint Zoom R2 TTL – Canon – Nikon – Sony – M4/3 – Fuji
Godox V860II = Flashpoint Zoom Li-on R2 TTL – Canon – Nikon – Sony – M4/3 – Fuji

Godox AD360II = Flashpoint Streaklight 360 R2 TTL – CanonNikon

Godox AD200  = Flashpoint EVOLV 200 R2 TTL
Godox AD-B2 = Flashpoint EVOLV Twin Head

 

Godox AD600BM = Flashpoint XPLOR 600 HSS
Godox AD600B = Flashpoint XPLOR 600 TTL HSS
Godox AD-H600B = Flashpoint Extension Head 600Ws
Godox AD-H1200B = Flashpoint Extension Head 1200Ws

Godox AD400 PRO = Flashpoint XPLOR 400 PRO TTL

Godox AD600 PRO = Flashpoint XPLOR 600 PRO TTL
Godox AD-H600 PRO = Flashpoint XP600 PRO Extension Head

 

Godox SK300II = Flashpoint Studio 300
Godox SK400II = Flashpoint Studio 400

Godox QT400IIM = Flashpoint Rapid 400 HSS
Godox QT600IIM = Flashpoint Rapid 600 HSS
Godox QT1200IIM = Flashpoint Rapid 1200 HSS

 

Godox XTR-16 = Flashpoint R2 Bridge SL
Godox XTR-16s = Flashpoint R2 Bridge ZL

Godox AD360 = Flashpoint Streaklight 360
Godox AR400 = Flashpoint Ring Li-on

 

Godox PB960 = Flashpoint Blast Power Pack PB-960
Godox LP800x = Flashpoint Power Station PS-800

Godox S-Type Bracket – Glow S-Type Bracket

 

Adorama also now sell – Godox branded products

Flashpoint products are also available – on Amazon

 

 

TRANSMITTERS

 

The Godox Xpro are the latest, and main transmitter option now in the Godox 2.4GHz system. Providing a vastly improvement user interface, and generally increased functionality over the previous X1T transmitter.

Available in Canon, Nikon, Sony, M4/3Fuji, and Pentax versions, the Xpro display 5 groups at a time, or zooms to display the current group larger and in more detail.

The provided TCM function is a significant feature, allowing quick initial TTL exposures to be converted to manual power settings for further refinement and consistency.

 

GODOX SYSTEM

 

The transmitter units available for the Godox 2.4GHz radio flash system –

  • XPro – TTL / HSS / Remote Manual
  • X1T – TTL / HSS / Remote Manual
  • XT32 – HSS / Remote Manual
  • XT16 – Remote Manual

GODOX FLASH SYSTEMThe XPro, XT32, and XT16, transmitters also provide control for 16 Groups in Manual mode, where the X1T currently provide up to 5 Groups at most.

The XT32 and XT16 providing alternate power scales compatible with older mark one Godox studio lights.

 

MASTER FLASHES

 

Currently all of the Godox hotshoe flashes with 2.4GHz X radio system built-in, also provide both radio master and receiver modes.

So they can all act as a master / transmitter unit on-camera to the rest of the 2.4GHz flash system.

 

There are some differences between the Canon, Nikon, and Sony master units functionality, due to the way their various native TTL systems operate.

For example the Nikon master interface only provides for 3 TTL or remote manual groups, so Godox have allowed 2 more groups to at least be used in remote manual.

The Canon master interface provides a GR Group style interface with 5 TTL or remote manual groups, though pre 2012 cameras can still only access 3 groups.

The Sony master interface currently only provides the 3 TTL or remote manual receiver groups. (Which should really be expanded with 2 more remote manual groups).

 

RECEIVERS

 

The X1R receivers were originally released alongside the X1T transmitter, as TTL and HSS enabled transmitter and receiver set.

Though the X1R are also currently the only receivers available in the Godox 2.4GHz system for firing non-Godox studio lights, or manual speedlites etc.

Studio lights can be fired with X1R receivers when attached via a sync cord. No remote control is available then, except that receiver groups can be turned On and Off remotely from the transmitter.

Currently there are only Canon, Nikon, and Sony X1R receiver versions available. Though any of the Godox 2.4GHz transmitters or master flashes for Canon, Nikon, Sony, M4/3, Fuji, and Pentax, will fire any X1R receiver version.

So at this stage M4/3, Fuji, and Pentax users can select any of the Canon Nikon or Sony X1R receivers to fire their additional non-Godox studio lights.

 

 

For Speedlight use the X1R receivers will provide full TTL and HSS when using corresponding and compatible, Canon, Nikon, and Sony, speedlites mounted on the receivers hotshoe.

In this case cross platform support is generally limited at this stage, usually to firing the flash, and possibly remote manual power control.

Also the X1R receivers have tended to be a lower priority in the system, and even when using corresponding brand genuine speedlites there have been numerous quirks which come and go with firmware changes in the system.

So it can be preferable to actually consider inexpensive Godox speedlites rather than purchasing X1R receivers for your current speedlites (particularly if they are third party). As Godox speedlites like the TT685 do not cost that much more than the X1R receivers, and work seamlessly in the system, even across brands.

 

The only other receivers currently available in the Godox system are the FTR-16/s and XTR-16/s. Which only work with Godox flashes providing the dedicated communication ports to attach them (as discussed in more detail further below).

 

CROSS PLATFORM COMPATIBILITY

 

A major feature of the Godox system is now the cross platform support for multiple camera systems.

All of the speedlites and strobes in the Godox 2.4GHz system now provide auto sensing / switching radio receiver modes for Canon, Nikon, Sony, M4/3, Fuji, and Pentax.

This means photographers using different camera brands can effectively share the same set of remote strobes at the same time. And this includes full TTL and HSS functionality where available.

 

 

All of the Godox TTL speedlites / hotshoe flashes now provide the same auto sensing TTL radio slave modes for Canon, Nikon, Sony, M4/3, Fuji, and Pentax.

 

GODOX SYSTEM

 

SYSTEM SCALABILITY

 

Particularity for people getting started in off camera lighting, the scalability of Godox system offers a very practical option to start out with.

This is because the Godox remote manual flashes are compatible (in remote manual, and HSS use) with Godox’s more advanced TTL gear, as well as their broad range of larger TTL and manual strobes.

This means you can start with some inexpensive remote manual speedlites like the Godox TT600, (which are basically Godox’s alternative to the popular YongNuo YN560 IV), and easily expand your kit with numerous other compatible Godox flash options later.

With YongNuo the remote manual and TTL systems have limited intercompatibility. And a lot of people get caught out with that after a short time when trying to expand their kit to experiment with HSS or TTL.

With a HSS enabled Godox transmitter like the Xpro, the TT600 speedlites (and most other Godox remote manual strobes) already include a HSS mode. Where HSS is only available with the TTL gear in the YongNuo system.

Note – Remote flash head zoom is not currently provided with the manual TT600 or V850II speedlites, where YongNuo’s YN560 systems does allow this.

 

GODOX SYSTEM

 

PREVIOUS 433MHz RADIO SYSTEM

 

A quick history for people unfamiliar with the original Godox system. Not so many years ago Godox released their first 433MHz frequency, FT-16 remote manual radio system. To be used with their various original remote manual strobes (mentioned further above).

Godox knew this system would need to evolve quite a lot in a relatively short time. And fortunately for many previous customers, Godox designed the radio receivers as small external clip on units, which could then be easily upgraded to a new radio system later on.

So Godox now provide 2.4GHz XT16 versions of the original 433MHz FT-16 transmitter and receivers.

And these XTR16 and XTR16s receivers link the legacy remote manual flashes to the new Godox 2.4GHz X radio flash system as detailed above.

(The original 433MHz FT-16 transmitter and receivers are still available, though you can imagine they will probably be phased out eventually as demand reduces).

 

GODOX SYSTEM

 

As well as remote manual power control, a number of the legacy Godox strobes like the popular AD360 also provide a HSS mode.

The FT-16 transmitter being a universal single firing pin unit though, cannot communicate with the camera to provide the early fire signal needed for HSS to function.

So with the 433MHz radio system a second Cells II transmitter was also needed to be mounted on the camera, while the FT-16 transmitter could be held in hand just for remote power control with the strobes.

With the current 2.4GHz system, the Xpro, X1T, and XT32 transmitters, basically combine the XT-16 and Cells II into one more convenient transmitter unit. So the Cells II, FT-16, and XT-16 transmitters have become mostly redundant now.

Though the FT-16 transmitter can still be useful with some cameras that otherwise have issues with non single firing pin transmitters.

GODOX_SYSTEM_16a500

 

 

This post is PART 1 of the Godox and Flashpoint 2.4GHz radio flash system overview.

Continue to PART 2 – Godox and Flashpoint Radio Flash Models.

 

PART 1 –  GODOX & FLASHPOINT 2.4GHz SYSTEM OVERVIEW
PART 2 – GODOX & FLASHPOINT FLASH MODELS
PART 3 – GODOX & FLASHPOINT RADIO TRIGGER MODELS

 

Godox – Website

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444 Comments
  1. Ulysses 2 years ago

    The firmware on the Godox site will work just fine for any rebranded Godox products. Update with confidence, if you need it at all.

  2. Ken 2 years ago

    How does one determine they need a firmware update? Especially right when they’ve just bought an item…

    • Ulysses 2 years ago

      Ken, there are a couple of ways:

      1) check your firmware version numbers on your own gear, and compare those to what’s being offered on the Godox website. The gear is so new at this early date, that they’re quickly cleaning up a lot of existing bugs via firmware based on user feedback and the excellent help of knowledgeable guys like Elv here at FlashHavoc.com. Generally speaking, you’ll want those updates both for the documented changes mentioned in the firmware notes, as well as for the UN-documented changes. For example, the X1N-T for Nikon had a number of issues with v15 firmware. Although Godox didn’t document it in the notes, v16 firmware cleaned up a lot of those problems for Nikon users.

      2. make broad use of your gear. If you honestly don’t run across a problem, maybe because it’s simply a feature you don’t personally use, or something about your gear configuration doesn’t call for a certain usage pattern, then I wouldn’t worry about upgrading. The upgrade CAN be a hassle for some, so if you don’t really need it then I wouldn’t bother. Of course, if you’re running into errors and bugs that prevent you from using the gear the way you need, then the upgraded firmware may fix it for you.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Ken,

      Depending on the flash or trigger, you usually hold down the Mode button while switching on the unit, and the firmware version is displayed.

      Or some strobes like the AD360II, and AD600 display there firmware version at the top of the custom function table. You can check the user manual for each item.

      And then check your version against the latest one available on the Godox download page.

      There is also more information on the (sometimes troublesome) firmware update procedures here.

      • Ulysses 2 years ago

        I’m a Mac user. I chose to install VMware Fusion 8 as virtualization software so that I could then install Windows on my Mac. All of that was easy enough. But after downloading the firmware update software, it took me four full days before I could get my X1N-T updated. It was exhausting. I thought after this that updating my V860II-N would be easier. It was. It took only a half-day. 🙁

        In general, I’d say folks who are working natively on a PC have had an easier time, but even some of them have reported problems.

        • mark shirley 2 years ago

          I’m a mac user about to purchase Godox products will this be a problem.

  3. Darryl 2 years ago

    I noticed you removed the images of the AD200 unit. Any reason for this? Still no information yet?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Darryl,

      Godox asked me to remove the images for the moment, while they are not available yet.

      They are definitely still coming, though I think they are more like a bare bulb V860 speedlight.

      I don’t know for sure though I would assume there is second capacitor in the head, so somewhat of a remake of the original Sunpak 120J.

      • nixland 2 years ago

        I am very interested if it’s a speedlite type flash with barebulb head. By the way is there any plan from Godox to make AD360 type 360ws with internal battery?

  4. Frankie 2 years ago

    Any idea of there will be a strobe in the 300ws range that supports 2.4Ghz TTL? I’m just starting to put together my lighting setup and have started with a couple of TT685S speedlites and the XT1 remote. I’d like to be able to stay in the same system as my setup expands, but the AD600B is well beyond my budget and needs for now.

    • Apostolos 2 years ago

      @Frankie. The AD360, or its various rebrands.

    • Ulysses 2 years ago

      Frankie: The AD360II already fills that role. Its power is in the 300 Ws range, and it also has TTL and HSS capability, operating on the 2.4 GHz frequency. Long-lasting lithium battery life — though via a cable — rounds out its features. It’s a great little flash.

      • Frankie 2 years ago

        Thanks for the info, guys. I thought about the AD360 but wasn’t sure if it had a modeling light. I thought it was essentially a TT685 on steroids. Does it have a modeling light you can adjust?

        • Apostolos 2 years ago

          Nope. You’re looking for a traditional strobe if you want a modeling light. Hey, btw, I’m selling an Elinchrom RX300 🙂

          • Frankie 2 years ago

            Thanks Apostolos. I’m thinking that Elinchrom is beyond my price range, let alone current skill. Maybe Godox will have a more moderately priced strobe by the time I’m ready to buy one 🙂

          • Ulysses 2 years ago

            Frankie: There are a few options becoming available.

            AD360II has TTL and HSS, but it has no modeling light.

            Indra360 has TTL and HSS and also has a modeling light.

            CononMK K4T is a 400 Ws strobe with TTL and HSS plus modeling light.

            And on the way is the SMDV BRiHT-360 with TTL and HSS plus modeling light and the SMDV lineup of excellent light modifiers.

  5. Seamless Media 2 years ago

    Has anyone received their remote extension head (Flashpoint Version) from Adorama yet? Mine has been on backorder since I ordered my XPLOR TTL on May 1st. This is getting absolutely ridiculous, along with all the other delays on this product line from Adorama. their sales and customer service reps have been unhelpful for the last 3 months. I love the strobe so far, but it definitely feels like we are all just paying for their beta testing and product development. Does B+H plan to add this system under their Bolt brand? Also what is the date that Adorama’s exclusive rights to the TTL version run out? There needs to be some more competition so we can take our money elsewhere as soon as possible.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Seamless,

      Seriously, if it wasn’t for Adorama you would be doing a lot more beta testing than you are now. They are the ones that are trying to get the products refined, and if they hadn’t made a significant investment and taken on the exclusive deal they wouldn’t have had the ability to have had a lot of the changes made.

      Its unfortunate that they do all the work, pay the dollars, and then get the products last, but that’s the process when they have to sign off on changes and are dealing with larger quantities. B&H or any other dealers would be in the same situation.

      The frustrating part is that Godox themselves are just not on the ball with a lot smaller details to start with, and they’re often not listening or wanting to change things when everyone’s spelling out for them the obvious things that need to be done. Godox themselves really need competition to push them to improve their products.

      The head of Flashpoint is visiting Godox in China this week, and they have our wishlist of products and refinements etc with them. So quite frankly Adorama are the best hope all Godox owners have at the moment. If you understand the situation from my perspective of just trying to get basic improvements etc done Adorama should be thanked for what they have achieved, and what they are trying to get done. I know from previous experience its very slow progress otherwise unfortunately.

  6. cory 2 years ago

    Hi Guys,

    I’m sorry of this is a slightly long(ish) post, but I’m wondering if I could get some honest feedback re: Adorama’s products, especially seeing as I just bought some today.

    I’m writing this because in doing a search, I just came across their Yelp reviews, and MY GOD, it’s absolutely horrifying. I should mention that it seems most of them were about orders placed online (whereas I went into the NYC store), but still…it left me feeling extremely unconfident about the seller, and I’m wondering if their products will turn out to be unreliable and crappy, too.

    While I’m here, I might as well just describe what I’m looking for and would love some feedback on whether or not I’ve made the right choice so far:

    I’ve been using Yongnuo products for years, with ‘minimal’ complaints, that is, until I just picked up 3 YN 685’s thinking how nice it would be to finally ditch my 622-C triggers that I’ve had to have on my flashes. LOng story short, the 685’s were terrible (misfiring and slow recycle times etc). I posted about this issue on FH and was told that it may have been the early release models that were having this issue, so I tried again last week with 3 new ones — same problem. I’m now done with YN and am looking for a new system. Here’s what I want.

    3-4 flashes with built in Radio and HSS capability (I’m a fully manual shooter, so TTL isn’t important to me) I’d like a trigger that can control all of them individually, has a decent AF assist, and bonus if it has a hotshoe on it as well. I’d also like to get something similar to the Godox Wistro 360AD that is compatible with the trigger, and again, all in HSS.

    So I went into Adorma to see what they had, and the sales rep showed me their own version of the Flashpoint Streaklight and R2 TTL transmitter. Also, the Flashpoint Zoom R2 which seems to be a basic but wireless flash capable of HSS. So it seems like its the equivalent of the Godox stuff, but I get a one year warranty with these, plus the seller isn’t in China if I need support.

    But then these Yelp (and other) reviews of Adorama man… They’re terrifying!

    SO…can anyone offer any personal experience or advice on if I got the right stuff? I have 30 days to bring it back, so any and all input would be greatly appreciated. And apologies for the rambling post here….just kinda happened 😉

    Thanks,
    cory

  7. Apostolos 2 years ago

    Well, Cory, that’s why anyone buys from Adorama, instead of the Godox-branded products. That whole Streaklight Flashpoint series is Adorama’s rebrand of the Godox products. You get US-based support, and also for a bit extra you can get the New Leaf extended warranty (It’s Adorama’s product) for up to three years. They even offer a “Drops and Spills” warranty in case you accidentally damage your product. I’ve had the manual version of the Adorama AD360 for the past year and even though I didn’t push it to its limits, I think it performed fairly well for me. I do need TTL, so I ditched it for the TTL version, which I’m on the early stages of using. My first impressions were positive and the TTL was a big help. And the great thing with Godox/Flashpoint products is that their entire lineup is using ONE trigger, the R2 (in Adorama’s terms) or the X1-T in Godox’s terms. It’s the same thing. I haven’t tested their speedlights so I don’t have an opinion on that, or the XPLOR 600, which will probably be my next purchase if all goes well, but after using Yongnuo myself, with four different triggers, the idea of simplifying my life by using one trigger is VERY appealing. You’ll find tons of user opinions about these flashes here, this is really Godox central. As far as I’m concerned, while owning the AD360 both manual and TTL, I have found their service okay, definitely not nightmarish.

  8. cory 2 years ago

    Thank you for taking the time to reply, Apostolos — really appreciate your insight 🙂

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Cory,

      Also it may help to understand the Adorama house brand team are like a small company inside a larger one. And you can deal with then directly by contacting brands@adorama.com. Or ask to speak to the brands team directly if calling etc.

      If you ever have issues with Adorama customer service in general though you can also contact Helen Oster – Helen@adorama.com who does a great job of sorting out any issues quickly.

  9. HJD 2 years ago

    Dear People at Flashhavoc,
    I’ve been reading blog posts here on and off with great interest, and I have a few questions I hope you can help me with. I don’t have any flash triggers at the moment, as my old Skyports with built in batteries have died. Note to self – never buy anything expensive with non replaceable batteries. Since then I’ve been using a 10m TTL cord and optical slaves for off camera flash, but now I’d like to invest in a new system. Having read the above blog post it appears that the Godox system is one of the most developed and versatile systems available at this time. Currently I have a Canon 40D, two 580EXII flashes and a Panasonic GH3 and a Metz 58 AF-2 flash for Olympus/Panasonic. As I’m also into video and appreciate shallow depth of field and good low light performance I might buy a Sony camera in the future, if they solve their overheating issues. So naturally I’d like whatever off camera flash system I invest in to be as cross brand compatible as possible. For now I’m mostly interested in remote manual with HSS, so I’m mainly looking at the XT32 transmitter, the TT600 flashes as well as the X1R receivers for Canon so I could integrate my existing 580EXII’s into the Godox 2.4GHz radio system.

    My questions are:

    1) Will an XT32 transmitter for Canon mounted on top of a Panasonic GH3 be able to fire and remotely control the power settings on TT600 flashes and 580EXII flashes mounted on X1R receivers for Canon? I guess it’s pretty obvious that functions like auto focus assist light, HSS and second curtain sync are only available when the XT32 for Canon is mounted on a Canon body.

    2) How much control would mounting an XT32 transmitter for Sony on a Sony body give me over 580EXII flashes mounted on X1R receivers for Canon? Only remote power control or more?

    3) Is there any way I could integrate the Metz flash into the system?

    4) Anything else I should be aware of?

    Thanks for your help! 🙂

  10. Adri 2 years ago

    Hi, just some more feedback the 3/5 groups topic, having used the Godox system for quite a while now…

    I still regard it as a major disadvantage for a state of the art modern system to have only 3 TTL-capable groups

    I suppose most users (on this forum) don’t have this problem as they don’t own/use more than 3 flashes (or put some on the same group)?

    By the way, just to put it into perspective, in studio envirenments (non godox) I usually use the following groups
    A: key
    B: fill
    C: kickers
    D: background
    sometimes:
    E: Hair light
    F: effect light 1 (often on legs to create hard shadows with full body shots)
    G: effect light 2

    So when going outside/on-loction I feel quite limited having only 5 groups available. With 3 groups I feel HEAVILY limited in creativity.

    a) On location I might e.g. meter the first 3 groups precisely manually and take some shots. Then I might throw in some more groups. This has to be quick. I’d love to simply throw in TTL at -1 EV. But Godox Groups D and E don’t have TTL.

    b) So I might use the following strategy: Starting not with A, B, C, but C,D,E to save the TTL-capable groups A and B for later. But this proved simply very confusing in practice (maybe I’m unflexible, but I want to have consistently key = group A).

    c) I sometimes want to change EVERYTHING from manual quickly to TTL vice versa (e.g. when ambience changes quickly or when testing some low f-stop shots in between etc. etc.) This is not possible at all when some flashes are on groups D and E.
    So the moment you use groups D end E you cancel the possibility to quickly go TTL with all flashes! 🙁

    Conclusion:

    In my opinion it’s quite limiting to have this strange mix:
    A,B,C TTL/manual,
    D,E: manual only.
    And in practice often annoying/confusing. So:

    – MIXING TTL and manual is practically only possible with 3 groups.
    – CHANGING from TTL to manual and back is practically also only possible with 3 groups.
    – only when you keep COMPLETELY to manual, you can use the 5 groups effectively

    With V860 II as master you can use only 3 groups anyway.
    And as far as I know the AD-360II still support only 3 groups at the moment?

    So when you invest in expensive TTL-flashes and want to make use of the TTL functionality you only have 3 groups. For me personally this is simply too limiting.

    And when going FULLY MANUAL I think there are many better options than Godox out there – especially with much better and ergonomic triggers.

    [Disclaimer: Yes, you can take great shots with one flash only. Even with no flash at all.]

    • Ulysses 2 years ago

      Adri, what you’re experiencing here is probably like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The AD600, while a very capable strobe, may not be the best solution for someone needing scalability such as you need in the studio.

      Of course, although Godox has been making strobes for a long time now, they’re only recently creating options like the AD600 with the on-board lithium battery that seems to be all the rage for event and location shooters. So in that environment and context, it’s a desirable piece of gear. But you’re almost certainly going to need a different solution for your needs. I doubt you’ll want to adapt the way you’re accustomed to lighting things just to accommodate this strobe. Mark Kitaoka had similar observations a few weeks ago and is a big fan of the granular control offered by some of the Paul C. Buff solutions (both as to transmitter and the lights).

      In some ways, Godox is young in this field, so no doubt they’ll grow with time and development.

      • Adri 2 years ago

        > Adri, what you’re experiencing here is probably like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

        No. I just noted that
        (i) 3 groups is (for some people) quite a restriction (of course most hobby or event shooters are happy with one to three lights)
        (ii) therefore it would be nice if the godox 5 group system was a REAL 5 group system with all groups symmetrically implemented (all TTL). Just like phottix Odin II e.g.

        That’s all. If Godox had equal groups (and a ergonomic transmitter in the future), I’d be totally o.k. with the sytem.

        I just wanted to inform people on this forum about real world restrictions of the Godox system from a practical point of view. As already noted at another place, in my opinion there are too many extremely positive “reviews” on this forum without really differentiating and really putting the system to professional use in multi-flash environments. And again: In my view it’s misleading to ADVERTISE the system as a 5 group-system without emphasizing its restrictions. The 5 group implementation is simply extremely limited at the moment.

        Again I don’t really see the benefit of your answer to my post, sorry 😀

    • Kevin 2 years ago

      Adri,

      What system are you currently using that has 7 groups?

      • Adri 2 years ago

        In purely manual flash environments you can easily ‘stack’ transmitters (with different channals) to double groups.

        I usually set power etc. with extra transmitters not on camera.

        And the tiny transmitter on camera just fires everything when pressing the shutter 😉

        But you are right, when going the easy way, I use profoto air with 6 groups, not 7.

  11. Adri 2 years ago

    Just a little addenum: Is it really so extravagant to want a transmitter with:

    – 5 little wheels for EV-correction (TTL) or flash power (manual)
    – one additional wheel for master corrections
    – a display presenting the situation in one sight

    In my opinion (and the opinion of pro photographer friends) this is an ***OBVIOUS*** requirement of a good 5-group-transmitter. I’m sure people would ***LOVE*** to pay more for such a transmitter (compared to the X1 transmitter thing ^^).

  12. Ken 2 years ago

    Hey guys, so in Group Mode you can’t choose TTL in groups D and E? I thought you could when using Canon. I thought the only one this was weird with was with Sony?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Ken,

      With the Godox X1T-C transmitter, and the Godox Canon version master speedlites, if you select GR group mode then you have 5 Groups available as TTL or Manual (and they can be mixed etc).

      That Canon GR group mode only works currently with 2012 camera bodies onward though.

      With the Nikon X1T-N transmitter and Godox Nikon version master speedlites only A, B, and C can be TTL. D and E are manual only.

  13. Ken 2 years ago

    Ok great, so if I’m using canon 5D mk3 with the Godox/flashpoint transmitter or the Godox speed light for Canon as master to control the AD600, the 360, or the Godox speedlites I will be able to have 5 groups in all TTL, all manual or mixed TTL and manual? (And I won’t be able to use canon flashes or yongnuo 600 EX-RT’s without the Godox/flashpoint receivers) Is that correct? That’s what I thought some hope I got it right. Is the above poster referring to non-canon or with pre-2012 cams?

    I just got my flashpoint R2/ Godox X1 transmitter and AD600/ XPLOR and it’s pretty great so far. I’m considering long term multi flash solutions. I’m currently using the Canon system with Yongnuo accompaniment because it integrates seamlessly with the canon stuff. So far I’m just using the AD600 as a studio backlight triggered optically by my canon radio system. I’m thinking of selling some canon/Yongnuo speedlites (I have 5 canon 600 EX-RT’s and 4 yongnuo’s currently to get barely enough power by grouping as many as 5 together and number of different lights directions needed) and getting a few of the flashpoint canon speedlite equivalents and the AD 360 as a 3rd light since it’s about as powerful as 4 speedlites.

    So this way I can have a few Godox/FP speedlites as accents, BG, kickers and hair, an AD360 as fill or key, and the AD600 as key or background if doing high key looks. All triggered and controlled by the X1/FP R2 transmitter. This is a lot more sane that trying to get 9 or 10 speedlites to actually work well!! But …want to make sure the groups are going to work the way I thought for all 5 groups. Thanks!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Yes with the 5D3 you’re fine with 5 groups in TTL, Manual, and mixed TTL and Manual.

      Yes you will need, X1R-C receivers for your Canon 600EX-RT as slave flashes. There is no guarantee of compatibility with the YN600EX-RT though. Last I checked they were firing together, but the flash kept reverting to 1/4 power. So I wouldn’t be counting on compatibility with YongNuo flashes.

      The above poster is referring to the Godox Nikon system.

      Yes all those Godox lights work nicely together, with full 5 groups in TTL or Manual (where TTL is available in the lights). All lights have HSS available.

      I’m not sure where we got up to with the previous discussions, but its combining a Canon RT master flash on-camera where things get difficult. Using an X1T-C transmitter its pretty straight forward.

  14. HJD 2 years ago

    Ok, I’m a bit confused now. I just discovered that there is a Godox TT600s where the “s” stands for Sony. I hope the only difference between the Sony and non Sony version of the TT600 is the multi interface foot. But then again what’s the need for an electrical connection through the multi interface shoe if the TT600s is a single pin and fully manual flash and its HSS function is not available when mounted on camera? I was hoping to buy non Sony TT600 flashes and use them off camera with both Canon, Panasonic and Sony cameras. I still think that is possible, but I would be grateful if someone could confirm. Thanks! 🙂

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi HJD,

      The Sony version TT600 does seem a little strange, though I think Godox have done that just for the better fit with the Sony camera Multi Interface hotshoes. I don’t have a TT600S to check myself, but there is no mention of HSS mode available on-camera with those either.

      You should be able to use the regular TT600 on a Sony MI hotshoe fine as well though. I haven’t had any issues firing the Godox speedlites in manual mode on the Sony A7. Its also a stronger metal foot for clamping to etc for off camera use. And being more universal would likely have better resale value etc if needed.

      I added a mention of the TT600S in the TT600 description.

  15. HJD 2 years ago

    Hi Flash Havoc and Co.,

    Thanks a lot for your comments on the Sony version of the TT600! I will probably just buy the regular TT600 flashes then, since I mainly plan to use them off camera. I’m sure newbies like myself will find it helpful that you’ve added a mention of the TT600S to the Godox flash system overview. Thanks also for your help with editing my full name down to my initials 🙂

    I’m still a bit uncertain about the cross brand compatibility of the Godox flash system. I really like reading about the auto switching TTL slave modes on the AD600B and AD360II as described above. What I’m still a bit uncertain about is the inter-compatibility between the various brand dedicated X1R receivers, X1T transmitters and the new XT32 brand dedicated transmitters. I found the following in the above section on inter-compatibility: “NOTE – X1T transmitters units can not currently provide TTL with alternate version X1R receivers (with TTL speedlite mounted on top”. I understand this to mean that e.g. an X1T-S for Sony mounted on a Sony body cannot communicate with a Canon 580EXII mounted on a X1R-C for Canon using TTL. Meaning that the X1T and X1R units aren’t able to translate one brands TTL signal at the transmitter end to another brands TTL signal at the receiver end. However, can the X1T-S for Sony be used in manual mode to control the flash power of a Canon 580EXII mounted on a X1R-C for Canon? My guess is yes, but I would be grateful for confirmation. I guess HSS would be lost as I understand it to be part of the TTL protocol?

    The reason I ask the above question is to gain an understanding of whether it would be worth it to try to incorporate my two 580EXII flashes into the Godox 2.4GHz system, or whether it would be better to relegate them to become non wireless background flashes or perhaps sell them and buy some Godox TT685-C for Canon which include TTL and are part of the 2.4GHz Godox system. If anyone has information which could cast some light on the issue I would appreciate if you would share it with me.

    Thanks in advance! 🙂

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      No worries.

      I think you’ve basically got all of that right as you detailed.

      I did actually have HSS working between alternate Canon and Nikon X1 transmitters and receivers, though it was only working intermittently. (Later down the track I imagine the engineers will try to tie these together further).

      As Godox have been working through the various firmware updates though, its mainly been the X1R and XTR-16/s receivers that have suffered new compatibility issues. While the flashes with built-in radio are usually ok.

      So its worth keeping in mind the X1 receivers are generally more vulnerable at the moment, and compatibility between them may actually change. For those reasons you are generally are better off with Godox radio slave flashes like the TT685 etc in the system instead.

  16. HJD 2 years ago

    Thanks a lot for the information Flash Havoc! 🙂

  17. David West 2 years ago

    Please help i’m a little confused..

    Lets say i have an AD360II , I also have a canon camera and a nikon camera….

    what do i need to be able to use both cameras with the one flash? or is this not possible???

    Thanks in advance

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi David,

      Yes its very possible. You just need an X1T-C transmitter on the Canon camera, and an X1T-N transmitter on the Nikon camera.

      The AD360II, whether its a Canon or Nikon model, will automatically detect the camera being used as soon as you half press the shutter button.

  18. Gary 2 years ago

    Hi guys,
    Just a quick question if I may.
    I’m a tad confused about all the options available for Godox triggering, especially as it relates to HSS.
    I have 2 X AD600’s and 5 X AD360’s (the old style).
    What is the best option for triggering all these lights both in normal and HSS?
    Using both Canon and Sony gear.
    Can I connect a new XTR16 receiver to the old AD360’s (to replace the original FT16 receivers) and will that allow HSS? (and do I need to get separate versions of each for use when triggering from Canon and/or Sony)?
    Finally, is the X32 transmitter a preferred option compared to the X1T?
    Any advice would be appreciated.
    Thanks!
    Oh and BTW, has anyone heard when the H1200B head and flash tube will be available?
    I’ve seen the heads on eBay but as far as I can find, no one supplies the flash tube that goes in them.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Gary,

      You could use either X1T or XT32 transmitters. The XT32 do not provide TTL though, and so far only the Canon version is available. Sony are generally available last. Where the X1T-C and X1T-S are available now.

      Yes all you need is the XTR-16 receivers for your AD360’s. They receivers are not brand specific, so any of the Canon, Nikon, or Sony, XT1-C or XT32 transmitters will trigger and control their manual power levels. HSS works as well, though you need to enable that manually on the AD360 as you did before.

      You might want to be aware the XTR-16 receivers can be a little quirky at the moment, mainly when you start turning flash groups on and off remotely or using multiple transmitters etc. Godox have been going around in circles a little bit with the firmware updates to transmitters etc and its often been the receivers that end up with new bugs in the process. With current firmware though remote power control and HSS should all be working.

      Regarding which transmitter is better, that’s likely going to be up to personal choice. Obviously if you need TTL, then the X1T are the only choice.

      Otherwise the XT32 are a newer design, and the interface is much better for what it is, though they are meant to be more of a basic transmitter option. The XT32 only show one group at a time, though the display is much larger and clearer then. If you like the FT-16 transmitter then you’re probably going to prefer the XT32.

      The X1T has a very fiddly interface, though if you are just using that one transmitter all the time it should become quite fast. The Canon version X1T-C are limited to 3 groups with pre 2012 cameras, unless you cover the cameras TTL contacts to keep GR group mode enabled (providing 5 groups). The XT32 have 16 groups.

      • Gary 2 years ago

        Great. Got it.
        Thanks for the info.
        Much appreciated!

      • James 2 years ago

        Genuine massive thank you for explaining this all in such depth. Your articles have given me the confidence to continue in this 3rd party market so I thank you for highlighting these companies who are offering such great innovation and value.

        I am tagging a question on here as it’s related to above.

        I currently own

        canon cameras 5d2/70d/probably getting 5d4
        v850 + ft-16s receiver
        4x Godox de300 + ft-16 USB receivers
        ft-16 Transmitter
        cell 2 Transmitter

        Thanks to your clear overview, looking to purchase xt-1C and v860II for wireless TTL. (If you have some sort of affiliate link to a store (available for UK purchase) please highlight as I can’t currently find it)

        If I upgrade the receivers to the x range can you confirm (best guess) some functionality

        When using the xt1 Transmitter I’d achieve

        v860IIc – Full Wireless TTL in group A while other manual strobes are in other groups
        HSS (does v860II recyle time still suffer when you use HSS mode rather than just full power like v850?)
        not have to use xt16s receiver even though it will be mixed with other XT-16s as it’s already built in
        anything fancy like zoom control etc

        v850 – wireless power/focus beam control?
        HSS

        de300 – Wireless manual power/modelling light control (like ft-16 offers)
        Grouping on xt1 via turning the dials on the receiver or is it more complicated to set up
        Potentially HSS capability if used on full power mode??? (currently works if optical slave @1/1 but asking about radio)

        I don’t intend to seriously adjust to off camera TTL workflow until next year. With talk of a newer transmitter, can the v860II as a master achieve everything the xt1 can with the older units (like remote power/modelling etc) or would I need to get v860IIc for master + temporary xt16 for remote manual control of legacy lights before evaluating xt controllers next year.

        Thank you so much for the effort you put into these informative reviews.

  19. Apostolos 2 years ago

    What’s this about Adorama developing a better TTL trigger than the X1? Is there reliable info on that? Timeframe?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Apostolos,

      I’m hoping to get some update on this, though I’m not holding my breath on the transmitter or any major overhaul to the master flash units anymore in the near future.

      Adorama visited the factory last week and took some transmitter designs with them. That’s about the extent of things so far. I haven’t heard the update from that yet.

      In any case I would expect Godox themselves would have some development going, even if that’s mainly on the back-burner. Though I really have no idea at the moment what if anything they actually have going yet in that regard.

      Indications recently have been Godox are concentrating on a number of other products at the moment. Some of which, like the bare bulb speedlites, sound pretty cool, though its very frustrating things like the master flash and transmitter do not appear to be a priority at the moment.

      I’ve done all I can to get the message across to Adorama, so its no point pushing that any further as they understand the situation well. All I can suggest is the people possibly email Godox themselves as well.

      I’m not holding my breath anymore though unfortunately, as we have seen how long things can often take even when they are priority. At this point I would just hope for possibly small incremental updates to the master flashes.

  20. Apostolos 2 years ago

    Thank you for the info.

  21. Adri 2 years ago

    Another question: What’s a good ALTERNATIVE to the godox system at the moment in your opinion? As far as I see it there is a lot of stuff going on but not really well established alternatives around, I mean
    – good TTL
    – at least 500 WS
    – ergonomic transmitter, easy adjustments (in TTL and manual)
    – speedlite on cam (as transmitter alternative) would be nice
    – 5 groups or more (for nikon) would be nice
    – not overly expensive would be nice (of course 😉 )

    To my mind only comes Phottix Odion II, which is quite expensive. I might pay more if it really was worth it, but one disadvantage kept me from investing in Phottix:
    Implementation of manual mode is not really good, I think (it seems it’s using pseudo-TTL with pre-flashes also in manual mode).

    I’m about to sell my godox stuff and would spend about $5,000 to $10,000 for a real good flash system. But I simply don’t see any Godox/Phottix alternatives on the market at the moment. So maybe it’s still best to stay godox-beta-tester for a while?! *thinking aloud*… 😉

  22. Daniel 2 years ago

    Do you know if it HSS mode can be enabled in Manual mode with the AD360II-C? I don’t seem to be able to set it for HSS in Manual Mode.
    I am trying to do HSS with Fuji X altought is not compatible I think It can be achieved with the Godox X-1 Trigger passing through the Cactus V6II do you have any information of this?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Daniel,

      HSS mode engages automatically on the AD360II-C if using an X1T-C on a Canon camera for example, whether in TTL or manual mode.

      Also if I set the flash to manual mode, with no radio slave mode set, I can turn HSS mode on. So using external HSS enabled triggers like the YN-622C etc (receiver attached to the flash via PC sync cord), the HSS mode still works (as in pulses the flash).

      So from what I can see the HSS mode can be engaged manually, and works if you can get the pre-sync early fire signal to fire the flash.

      .

      Regarding the Fuji X, you may be best to ask Cactus about that. From what I understand if you use a Cactus V6 II transmitter AND receiver attached to the hotshoe of the flash, you should get both HSS and remote manual power control with the AD360II-C and a Fuji X camera.

      Whether a Godox X1T-C transmitter could work on top of a Cactus V6 II transmitter, and still provide HSS, I’m really not sure. If anything I think you would be just looking for the early fire signal there. So you could basically be taping over the TTL contacts between the transmitters. The Fuji TTL/HSS protocol is not going to transfer to a Canon TTL/HSS protocol transmitter if you see what I mean. You may even need to tape over the TTL contacts.

      The question for Cactus, is basically does the V6 II transmitter’s pass through hotshoe provide the early HSS pre-sync signal to its center firing pin contact?

      Otherwise you would need to use a Cactus V6 II as receiver on the AD360 II as well. And not use the Godox transmitter at all.

  23. HJD 2 years ago

    I have some TT600 flashes under way to me and I really look forward to trying out the system. I understand that the flashes can be powered by an external battery pack connected to the “External High Voltage Battery Port”. Does anyone know which voltage range this port will accept and safely operate the flash? I’ve looked on Godox’s website and in the PDF version of the TT600 manual, but I’ve been unable to find this information. I’m aware of the highly regarded PB960 battery pack, and I’ve read somewhere that such packs output around 300V. However, I’ve also seen the CP-80 battery pack which takes 8 AA batteries, and I can’t imagine that can output 300V.

    I’m curious about the voltage range because I’m considering buying a continuous light for video work which is AC powered and will also run on V-mount batteries. I’m not sure how much I would be using the light away from a wall socket, and thus how much I would need the battery. On the other hand it’s quite a bit cheaper buying the battery as part of a kit bundled with the light than buying the battery later on its own should I come to need it. Now if I could also use the V-mount battery which is 14.8 volt to power several TT600 flashes then it would serve a dual purpose and would be easier to justify. I understand some fiddling with v-mount battery plates adapters and perhaps a bit of soldering would probably be required, but I was just wondering if it would be possible? Not delivering 300V it would perhaps not improve recycle times much, but if it could power 2 or 4 TT600’s for a long time and be affordable to make work, then I might look into it. 🙂

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi HJD,

      I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with this one 🙂

      The speedlites HV (High Voltage) external battery port do require something like 330 volts (to match the capacitors).

      The 8 AA packs do provide that 300+ volts to the flash port. They have a transformer in the top section of the pack to take the 10-12V AA’s up to 300+ volts. The PB960 etc would have something similar.

      I guess you could try getting a cheap YongNuo 8 Cell pack or similar cheap unit and try hooking up a larger battery mAh battery. Though 14.8V is obviously not likely going to work.

      If you wanted battery packs for the TT600, V850II flashes would have really been a high consideration instead.

      .

      I know V-mount batteries are expensive, and good LED lights are not cheap either.

      I’ve been harassing Adorama and Godox to build video possible LED’s into an AD360B style light (smaller version of the the AD600B) and for the AD600B as well. So that you could use these lights as dual purpose to some degree. At the least LED lights using the same AD600 batteries would help.

      I keep saying they need to look at cordless power tools and how they have evolved. Those don’t sell now unless they are part of a larger system, that all uses the same batteries. And you can mix and match various capacity batteries, and purchase those separately to the tools (making the tools themselves cheaper to buy separately when you already have all the batteries and multi dock charger).

      Godox etc will get there eventually, though its going to take some time.

      • HJD 2 years ago

        Hello Flash Havoc,

        Thanks for your reply!
        Ah, okay, so even the small battery packs with 8 AA batteries output 300V – fascinating. I guess I wont be able to use the described dual purpose scenario to justify getting the v-mount battery then 🙂 Yes, because of your overview article I’m quite aware of the V850II. I didn’t really intend to use the TT600 with battery packs, the described idea was just trying to justify the v-mount battery for the video light. I’m using several TT600 together, so recycle times haven’t really been an issue for off camera flash, though so far I’ve only used the TT600’s a couple of times since getting them. I was also a bit worried about future availability of the Li-ion batteries used in the V850II and V860II in like 6-10 years. If I got the V850II I would probably also want replacement batteries right away which would drive up the cost and take time to be delivered, where AA batteries can be found everywhere. I also had quite a few Eneloops waiting to be used. I might try out a V860II though, as I missed some shots fired in close succession at a recent conference because my on camera 580II was still recycling. I understand the recycle time of the V860II is pretty fast – like faster than a Canon 580II or Godox 685II?

        Yes, a v-mount battery is darn expensive for an occasional video shooter like myself. The video light I’m looking at is the PIXAPRO LED100D MKII+ which I believe is quite fairly priced at 297 GBP (without battery) considering the positive reviews it has been getting. You can see it here: https://www.essentialphoto.co.uk/product/pixapro-led100d-mkii-plus-daylight-balanced-led-studio-light-with-v-mount-battery-plate/

        Indeed it would be a great idea to have a combined video light and strobe in the same housing. Especially since strobes already use modeling lamps. Great that you’ve been pushing for such a feature. Actually most Pixapro products appear to be rebranded Godox products with at least one exception being the above video light. Godox also make similar video lights, but unfortunately their built in fans appear to deliver noise levels that are not ideal for audio recording.

        Yea, it would be great with a system using the same batteries across many products. That would also make such batteries widely available and help diminish my fears of proprietary batteries for a niche market becoming unavailable in the future.

        Thanks!

        PS: sorry for my late reply. I’ve been abroad for a week by a lake with very poor internet connection.

  24. Apostolos 2 years ago

    Can the Godox X1T-C control non-godox flashes? Like the Yongnuo YN-600 EX RT?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Apostolos,

      They can’t control them directly without an X1R-C receiver attached to the flash.

      And even with that, compatibility is not guaranteed between third party brands. Last time I checked TTL was working, but remote manual power control kept reverting back to 1/4 power on the YN600EX-RT.

      There have been a few X1-C firmware updates since then, though it could be an ongoing cycle even if the issue mentioned above was resolved at some point.

  25. arozenfeld 2 years ago

    I just wanted to say thanks for the insane amount of work this article (and comments) must have taken, to sort all this information out. It’s amazingly helpful.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Thanks Arozenfeld, glad its helpful.

      Even though this system is fairly straight forward and I have a clear picture of the way it works together in my mind, I still had quite a hard time when it came to trying to find a way to explain it clearly on paper.

      People have asked to do something similar for YongNuo for a long time. But that gets really really confusing when you try to detail all the intricacies and inter-compatibility with each different product into one place. When the YN-560, or even YN-622, systems on their own are not really complicated.

    • Ken 2 years ago

      Yes, indeed it has been helpful! Thanks!

      I am finding myself crossing paths with a new topic I haven’t confronted yet that I was wondering if anyone here could weigh in on : flash duration being LONGER than my shutter speed! These HSS capabilities of these units (I just got the flashpoint version of the AD600) are great but in utilizing it, if you’re in bright sun shooting out into a harbor or something you’re gonna be at fast shutter speeds like 1/1000 but asking the flash to be working around full power and only at durations of like 1/220 sec. And if you’re in TTL you’re not going to know what flash power and therefore what duration its at even if you stop shooting and go check the unit. How do others handle this?

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Hi Ken,

        If your’e in TTL mode, then the flash is going to go into the pulsing HSS mode as soon as you go over the cameras X-sync speed (1/250th etc).

        In manual mode it would do the same, if using an X1 or XT32 transmitter and the built-in radio receiver in the flash.

        If you wanted to use the Long Duration Sync method (Hypersync etc) you actually need that long flash duration at full power to act like a constant light source, for the full time it takes both shutter curtains (and the narrow opening between them) to move across the sensor. You can read about both methods in this post.

        (At the moment you have to hack the AD600 using an external radio receiver to use the Long Duration Sync method, as you can’t turn off the pulsing HSS mode when using the built-in radio receiver).

        • Ken 2 years ago

          Hi! Thanks for your response. I don’t think I’d need to be in a long duration mode or anything, because if I’m at a higher power setting with a fast shutter speed, the flash duration is already too long. That’s my question, what then? If I am shooting at Full power with the AD600, the duration is 1/220 sec at that power. But I’d be shooting with a shutter speed 5 times faster that that in most cases…like 1/1000 or 1/1250 sec or higher. So the flash would not have enough time to burn in. Do I have to NOT use TTL when in HHS and using fast shutter speeds and instead use manual flash while meticulously being aware of my flash power and memorize the durations at those powers and cross reference it against my shutter speeds? Seems…unsustainable.

          • Author
            Flash Havoc 2 years ago

            Hi Ken,

            Are you using a Fuji X100 or similar with a leaf shutter? (Or some other camera that can sync at those higher shutter speed without usnig HSS on the flash).

            If thats the case then yes, you really need a flash with the shortest duration possible at full power. You also need to trigger the flash as fast as possible, which can mean using a cord instead of radio triggers, or even the optic slave.

            And in the same case, with the AD600 or similar you’re just wasting battery power etc with the flash set to full power, as there is no way to get all the light in the image at 1/1000th etc.
            .

            Again not knowing which camera etc you’re using, I’m not clear on the TTL comment. In TTL most system automatically switch the flash to HSS as soon as you go over X-sync. Godox don’t have a Fuji transmitter though, so I’m not too sure what you’re referring to.

            • Ken 2 years ago

              I just mean that in TTL you have no idea what the flash power is and thus, no idea what the flash duration is.

              I’m using 5D mkIII’s currently with an X1 until I get a master on camera speedlite…the TT685’s.

              • Author
                Flash Havoc 2 years ago

                Ok, in that case you will need to go back to my first reply.

                Once the camera (5DIII) goes over 1/200th in TTL mode the flash automatically goes into HSS mode, which pulses the flash to create a long enough flash duration.

                I the flash doesn’t have a HSS mode the camera will limit the shutter speed to 1/200th in TTL mode.

                A short flash duration is not going to help you with the 5DIII, you need a long one. Again if you take a look at this post, it explains how the camera shutters move across the cameras sensor, and why you need the long flash duration.

                • Ken 2 years ago

                  Hmm, I understand HSS pretty well I think. An AD600 in full power is already a long duration, (1/220)… so long in fact that it will be cut off by the much faster shutter speed (say, 1/1000). I totally understand with shutter speeds over x sync the shutter opening is a moving slit and that the flash needs to repeatedly pulse to light the opening and thus a longer flash duration is needed. I know that HSS enables this. But in this case the flash duration is much longer than the shutter so the exposure of the flash won’t have a chance to record fully. If shooting manual flash I guess you could check flash power/flash duration and cross reference it with your shutter speed but this doesn’t seem feasible in real world shooting. But when using TTL you can’t even do that because you have no idea what flash power/flash duration the camera and flash have decided on in its through the lens flash metering. Am I missing something that solves this?

                  • Adri 2 years ago

                    Just two annotations (I’m not sure whether that helps as I’m not 100% sure where exactly your ‘problem’ is):

                    1.) You quoted a flash duration of 1/220s of the AD600 at max output. That’s t_0.1. Probably t_0.5 (what other manufacturars often quote) would be CONSIDERABLY shorter. So even at a shutter speed of let’s say 1/500s you would have quite uneven lighting with long-duration-sync, I assume.

                    2.) The AD600 knows two sync modes:
                    A) normal sync: the charged capacitor let’s all it’s energy into the bulb, there’s no electronic timing of this process)
                    B) HSS sync: the energy is chopped into little pieces by electronics, which are given to the bulb in little portions

                    As far as I understand it the AD600 is programmed to jump to HSS mode for shutter speeds faster than camera sync speed. This logic is simply not “intelligent” enough to take into account, that at certain (high) flash power levels it would be more economic to stay in normal mode A instead of switching to HSS mode B.

                    In other words: Even IF the flashing time (e.g. t_0.1) was long enough for a proper exposure for a given short shutter speed (let’s say 1/500s), the AD600 uses a lot of extremely short and very low power flashes (which, even when integrated, yield a lower lighting output).

                    So with high flash outputs the logic which is implemented in the AD600 gives much lower flash outputs than possible, because it goes to HSS instead of staying in normal sync mode.

                    I think there’s simply no easy way around this limitation when using an X1-sender, I guess???

                    You either have to live with this ‘problem’ or trigger the AD600 manually (where it just gets a signal to ignite without having any information about shutter speed etc.).

                    Concluding, in PRACTICE that’s not a huge problem in my view, as
                    – flash duration becomes quickly shorter when going away from max 1/1 output
                    – t_0.5 is still quite short at 1/1 (don’t be fooled by the t_0.1 number)

                    Please correct me if I’m wrong here and the AD600-behaviour is more complex than I thought.

                  • Author
                    Flash Havoc 2 years ago

                    Ken, yes, you’re still not grasping the concept that only a small section of the 5DIII camera sensor is exposed at any one time once you go over X-sync.

                    You can throw the concept of fitting a 1/220s flash duration into a 1/1000s period out the window. There is no 1/1000s period. Its being fudged by only exposing a small section of the camera sensor at any time, to create an exposure equal to the complete sensor being exposed for around 1/1000s.

                    Notice that flash duration disappears from the AD600 LCD screen as soon as you turn HSS mode on? That’s because its no longer relevant.

                    You need a constant light source once the camera goes over X-sync and not all of the sensor is exposed at any one time.

                    So they are creating a constant light source by pulsing the flash for an extended period. Or alternatively if the flash duration is long enough its acting as a constant light source.

                    In TTL they have to use the pulsing method, because the flash duration is only long at full power. So it doesn’t matter what power level the flash is firing at, its still pulsing and acting as a constant light source.

                    In manual its exactly the same if you have HSS enabled. You can use any power level because the flash is still pulsing.

                    Though in manual you can also use full power only (where the flash duration is long enough) and not use HSS mode to pulse the flash. With the AD600 you need to use a workaround to do this though, because you can’t turn the HSS mode off if using the strobes internal radio receiver.

                    • Ken 2 years ago

                      Ahh, I DIDN’T notice how the flash duration disappears from the AD600 LCD once it’s in HSS.
                      Hmm.

                      Well, right you need a constant light source once over X-sync and the constant light source I thought would be the 1/220 flash duration since it’s on for the entire time (and longer) of the shutter exposure time. But you’re saying when in HSS the flash ALWAYS Pulses short quick splashes to coincide with the traveling slit moving down the sensor? So when using these fast shutter speeds where the flash duration would be too long, it’s always going to be in HSS mode and pulsing not using long flash durations that would otherwise be too long for the shutter speed?

                    • Author
                      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

                      Sorry Ken, I don’t know how to get this across to you.

                      The flash duration is not too long for the shutter speed. It needs to be long or you won’t get light reaching all of the sensor (as the slit moves across).

                      .

                      Maybe this will help. The time it takes both shutter curtains to move completely across the sensor at 1/200s camera shutter speed and above is always around 1/200th of a second.

                      So regardless of whether your shooting at 1/1000s or 1/8000s, it still takes around 1/200s for both shutters to move completely across the camera sensor.

                      So you need a flash duration around 1/200s or longer, otherwise part of your image will be black (or no flash in it).

                      Even at 1/8000s shutter speed, you’re not trying to fit the flash duration into 1/8000s, you’re trying to fit it into 1/200s. And you generally want it a bit longer still, so you can make sure you’re centered nicely in the flash curve, or even have some room for adjustment.

                  • nixland 2 years ago

                    ” …. But in this case the flash duration is much longer than the shutter so the exposure of the flash won’t have a chance to record fully”

                    What do you mean by “won’t have a chance to record fully” ?

                    • Ken 2 years ago

                      The flash is a 1/220 sec exposure time but the shutter is Much faster than that (1/1000 or so) thereby not letting the flash burn in/expose correctly). The flash burst needs 1/220 sec to record all of it but the shutter closes in 1/1000 cutting off most of the flash.

  26. HJD 2 years ago

    I just received a bunch of TT600 flashes and I look forward to testing them out. I actually like the build quality of the TT600 better than my Metz 58 AF-2. It may not be up to the standard of my Canon 580 EXII, but it’s quite reassuring. And I’d like to second “arozenfeld” with my appreciation of the usefulness of the above blog post and the many responses in the comments. It’s been very, very helpful indeed! 🙂

  27. bogorad 2 years ago

    Just want to add a point regarding manual groups with the X1T-s

    My setup was 3*v850 each with an FTR-16s, and an old Godox DS-400 with an FTR-16, and two FT-16 triggers (one in the bag, one at home, for the DS-400).

    Then I purchased an X1T-s with 3*XTR-16s and an XTR-16. Replaced all FTR-16s with the new XTR-16s, and tested – everything worked fine (after some fiddling) including the hyper-sync (still don’t understand why they insist on calling it ‘HSS’).

    Then I realized I don’t really want to replace the receiver in the old DS-400, it’s much easier to use an old FT-16 to manage power. So I placed the FT-16 on top of the X1T-s, in the passthrough hotshoe. Changed the ‘delay’ to 13, and voila – I’ve got X1T-s driving three (in fact – up to five) groups, plus the old FT-16 driving another (up to) 16 manual groups.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Bogorad,

      Thanks for that. Regarding the “HSS” term, the DS-400 may not have a HSS mode, but the V850 and a number of the Godox strobes do have a pulsing HSS mode. You can use Long Duration (Hypersync) as well, but only on full power with the IGBT flashes like the V850, AD360, AD600 etc.

  28. mark shirley 2 years ago

    Hi – reading through the comment it seems its not advisable to buy the Godox version, but to buy from Adorama in the US as I’m a UK buyer this means I will incur import tax and I’m not sure if the after sales will be of use to me can anyone advise – plus I cant make out what the equivelent version of the 360II-n with HSS is on Adorama – Im doing a search but I think I keep getting the first version.

    • Scoob 2 years ago

      I was under the impression the ONLY difference between the Godox and the Flashpoint version is the warranty. Having a 1 year warranty on the battery would be nice but I have a mix off 4 (Godox, Neewer and Cheetah) of these li-ion batteries and a couple are more than 2 years old ands still work like new.

      Would it not be this unit. 360 with built in R2 receiver?

      http://www.adorama.com/fplfsl360n.html?utm_source=rflaid68302

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Hi Mark,

        There should be some Godox dealers in the UK. Lencarta is one who rebrands the gear, though they don’t have the AD600B at this stage.

        I put all the strobe model links to Amazon UK otherwise, so you should be able to find some UK dealers through that. Just be careful to check their warranty details (as Amazon are brilliant for 30 days, then you need to work with the dealer after that).

        I don’t imagine Adorama would be particularly cost effective there if you consider the cost to return the unit if something does go wrong. Though some people in Europe etc have certainly been purchasing from Adorama. The link Scoob provided above is correct for the AD360II. I put a full Godox > Flashpoint list of strobe models in the post.

    • Markus 2 years ago

      Hi Mark,

      I haven’t had any issues with the Godox ones I bought from Amazon in the UK. If you are happy to pay a premium you could also buy Calumet’s Genesis branded flashes and strobes. That’s the UK equivalent of rebranded/repackaged Godox gear, just like Adorama with Flashpoint does in the US.

    • fumanchu 2 years ago

      Look for Pixapro CITI600

    • bob 2 years ago

      Mark,

      Photomart are official suppliers of Godox branded gear

      Mike

  29. Apostolos 2 years ago

    I have both the original Godox-branded X1T-C transmitter and the Adorama version, the R2T-C, which came bundled with the Xplor600, i.e. the AD600. The X1T-C shows me five groups, while the R2T-C only three. I went into the functions menu, in f6 and the options there are to choose either 5 or 3, but it doesn’t make any difference on the R2T-C, I still see only 3 groups. Any ideas why? Is there another setting somewhere? Oh, and btw, I upgraded both to the latest firmware, v18.

  30. Yuan 2 years ago

    So if I have an XT1-C and buy any flash or strobe from the Flashpoint R2 system, they will work together seamlessly?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Yuan,

      Yes any of the Canon variety will work. With the AD360II / FP Streaklight TTL you can use either the Canon or Nikon version as a slave to the X1T-C.

      The Godox and Flashpoint units are functionally all the same at this point though.

  31. Apostolos 2 years ago

    Yes. They are the exact same product, just differently named/branded.

  32. Apostolos 2 years ago

    First experience with TTL with the 685c (Adorama version), was SCARILY BAD. So, let me set this up. Frequenting this site, I’ve already bought a couple AD360 (Adorama version) that I was pretty happy with. Dumped them and I got the AD360II-C and I have to say in my first TTL shoot –trying to expose for a running 2 year old kid– was sufficiently good. Then I bought the XPLOR600, the TTL version. Haven’t tested in TTL, but manually it performed well. I’ve used two controllers with the 360II and the XPLOR, an original Godox X1TC and a R2, the one that came with the XPLOR, both upgraded to v. 18, the latest one. So, I decided to pull the trigger and get some 685c units, specifically the Adorama brand, which is called Zoom R2 TTL. I bought three units, they all have firmware v. 3.0. and my X1TC/R2 transmitters are upgraded to v. 18. I tested all three and the exposure in TTL was easily over by 1 and 2/3 close to 2 stops! Anybody else had similar experience?

  33. Neil 2 years ago

    Can the XT32 trigger talk to the X1R receivers, for example to remote to studio flash heads?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Neil,

      They are meant to be able to.

      Though with the Canon version X1R-C receivers, their last 2 firmware version (V15 & V16) have had issue with this. First the remote power levels would not work (V15). Then this was fixed in V16, though the flash will not fire now (V16). (XT32 transmitter is V17).

      Godox are aware of the issue.

      • bob 2 years ago

        Any news on the XT32N, the AD600 mains adapter or the 1200 & 2400 head/leads?

        Mike

  34. Galen 2 years ago

    Hello,

    First, thanks so much for all the great info! I’m in the research phase of investing in this system and wanted to ask for some clarification.

    When you say “Many wedding photographers would also like to see an on-camera master speedlite with more refined features like AF assist light etc, to match the Canon and Nikon speedlites.”, does this mean that I will not have the ability to use the camera flash’s AF assist light when also firing to 2 remote flashes with my Nikon’s? This method is a must have for me during wedding receptions and I’m wanting to fire a combination of 360ii’s, V860II-N & sometimes AD600.

    Any help is much appreciated!
    Galen

    • Trung 2 years ago

      The Godox speedlights and triggers have AF-assist lights, but they’re no where as good as the Nikon or Canon offerings. You can acquire perfect focus in pitch black without even looking through the viewfinder with the Nikon/Canon AF assist, but the Godox is a spaced out crosshatch pattern that might fall between af points at varying distances.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Yes as Trung explained above, the Godox flashes and transmitters do have an AF assist light. Unfortunately they are just not as practical and up to the standard of the more advanced Canon and Nikon AF light systems.

  35. Galen 2 years ago

    Thanks for the explanation! It looks like I’ll still be using the Nikon flash’s on camera with the Godox units firing remote. Not the end of the world but it would be nice to work entirely within the Godox wireless system.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      It is a major problem if you’re talking about using the Nikon flashes on camera, at the same time as using the Godox units remote.

      If you mean using the Nikon flashes alone on-camera, and Godox units alone off-camera, that’s not as much of an issue, unless you still need that AF assist light using the off-camera flashes.

  36. Galen 2 years ago

    I think I’ll just have to play around with some different scenarios once I get the Godox units to find what works best. Be it : Nikon CLS, my Pocket Wizards or some other combination. Thanks again for the feedback!

  37. Ted Lansing 2 years ago

    Thank you FLASHHAVOC for your excellent information about the Godox flash system. Studying your information and the input from various people in the comments section convinced me to switch to Godox. I am very happy with this decision. I put together a short blog that presents the Godox 2.4GHz wireless system. Maybe it is of help to others. See: http://tedlansingphotography.com/2016/08/30/godox-2-4-ghz-wireless-flash-system/

  38. Wint 2 years ago

    Hi FlashHavoc!

    I own a SB-800 and wanted to expand my system. I’ve ordered the Yonguo YN-622N-TX, YN-622N and the YN685. As I was reading your website I’ve realized I maybe had to start to invest in a whole system which look like it’s the Godox. I should start buying the X1 for my SB800 and the V860II. From there won’t be any problem to expand to more speedlights or even AD360NII or a AD600 in the future. What to do now? To sell the Yongnuos and start again with the Godox or do you think it’s worth to keep the Yongnuos?

  39. Gary 2 years ago

    Hi,
    I have a series of Godox AD600B’s and AD 360’s.
    I’m looking to use them with my Pentax 645z and enable HSS.
    I’ve got an email from a supplier called Acon and they say their transceiver R930PN will enable me to shoot HSS up to 1/4000th with a 645z. Here is the email they sent to me:

    Hello,
    We have such product
    acon R930PN,
    with this trigger. one should have a godox X1N sender.
    and put the X1N sender on the receiver of R930PN.
    then you can trigger all of the Godox lighting . any models are OK.

    I replied:
    Sorry to email you again but I want to be absolutely sure.
    I just want to confirm:
    THIS DEVICE WILL ENABLE HIGH SPEED SYNC up to 1/4000th sec WITH PENTAX 645Z?

    They said “Yes”.
    So I’m just doing my due diligence before I order the R930PN.

    Has anyone had any experience with these units and the 645Z on HSS?
    Thanks.

  40. Robert Collins 2 years ago

    I have a question and I apologize if it has been asked before. If I buy a couple of relatively cheap Godox mains powered studio flash – say the QS300 – how do I include them in the X1 trigger system (I realize I would need the XTR-16 receiver). The question comes about because the QS300 uses the old single digit power system so I am not sure how I would change power with the X1 trigger.

  41. Michael 2 years ago

    Hi,
    I just purchase Flashpoint Xplor AD600B TTL and X1T-C (from Adorama). And I also have old AD360.

    What do I need to change in order to integrate AD360 into AD600B TTL system?. Basically, I want to control both from X1T-C on Canon 5D III.

    Thanks very much

  42. C 2 years ago

    Hej,

    Is anyone aware of a Central European reseller / rebrand with local warranty? I know of the UK ones, but wonder if there’s any closer to where I am (Germany / Sweden) – makes it easier to ship returns, warranty cases, and the like.

    Best,
    -C.

  43. Ted Lansing 2 years ago

    @C: In Switzerland: https://www.fotichaestli.ch/

    Fotichaestli just recently started to carry Godox. It is a very reputable store located near Zürich Switzerland. I have bought equipment from this store and I would defenitely recommend the store. The owner is very helpful before and after the sale. I do not know if he ships outside of Switzerland.

    • C 2 years ago

      Hi,

      Thanks for that – he doesn’t seem to ship outside Switzerland, sadly, according to the web site … bookmarked it though :).

      Best,
      C.

  44. David Droke 2 years ago

    I have a new R2 Transmitter and the screen just displays “E9” when I turn it on and the buttons do nothing.
    Defective? or am I doing something wrong?

    • Mike G 2 years ago

      Same problem! Looking for the answer…did you come across one?

  45. George 2 years ago

    @flashhavoc I am a bit confused and would really like some help…

    I currently own a Yongnuo 560 III and shooting Canon. I recently found out that it is not possible to trigger this unit in rear curtain unless the flash / transmitter supports TLL. My questions are:

    1. Is it possible to get a setup with Yongnuo flashes / triggers to support all my gear and provide Rear curtain mode?

    2. If not, I am considering switching to Godox and use the current YN-560 III in optical slave mode. If I use the X1T+TT600 unit will Rear curtain work? Or should I get the TT685 to get that functionality?

    Obviously I would be more interested in staying with Yongnuo, but their wirelless system seems like a mess at the moment. And as I use manual mode flash only, there is no point for me byuing expensive TTL flashes. What is your opinion?

  46. nixland 2 years ago

    X1c on Gr mode can not set the V860 v1 off if using XTR16s. I can turn the group menu off but the flash still firing.

    On my X1c, group on-off works OK with V860 v2, TT685, AD360II and also AD360 v1 with XTR16.
    Only V860c with XTR16s has a problem.

    Elv, does Godox already know this?

    • nixland 2 years ago

      My V860c firmware version is 2.2

    • nixland 2 years ago

      Any plan from Godox to solve this?

    • nixland 2 years ago

      The strange thing is that on X1T for Sony there is no problem setting of Group to Off if using XTR16 or XTR16s.

      So the problem is on the X1T canon.

      Where is Elv anyway?

  47. Allen Gambrell 2 years ago

    I have a V685c with firmware 3.0.
    It will not work with correct ttl exposure with a Canon 1dx mark2. It will work with 1dx1 and 5d3, but not the 1dx mark 2. It overexposes the image by at least 3 stops and exposure compensation will not make any difference. The image appears the same at -3ev as it does at +2ev. It also causes the same problem on the slave lights when used as a master.

    Is there any firmware update it the pipe to fix this problem. I used to have the same problem with the x1tc transmitter, but an firmware update solved it.

    Does the 860II work any better, I would assume it would have the same problem.

    There has just not been any update in a while.

    • Jwide 2 years ago

      Make sure you have all other groups that you’re not using turned OFF on the transmitter. This can cause your problem and causes shutter lag on Nikon cameras.

  48. Hengga 2 years ago

    Hi…

    I have Godox flash V860ii S for Sony.
    I wonder if someone in here able to display flash slave group from A until E in V860ii-S ?
    Could you tell me if it can? I still haven’t found the way.

    Thank you.
    Hengga

  49. Mike Catuara 2 years ago

    I have a new Godox TT685n Flash and would like to use it as a radio trigger for my SB-800 and SB-700 speed lights with the Godox X1-Rn units on the bottom of each one. I test them on TTL and they fire at blinding FULL POWER on radio mode other than my TTL master flash settings. Why is this? Will the TT685n need a firmware update to correct this? Need to know ASAP.. Thanks.

  50. Ted Lansing 2 years ago

    @Mike. SEE my blog entry and follow up of flashhvoc at http://flashhavoc.com/godox-v860ii-n-speedlite-now-available/

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