GODOX – V850 & Witstro – Radio Trigger Alternatives

Godox provide a couple of transmitter units for the popular V850 and Witstro, allowing remote manual power control and HSS with compatible cameras, though there are number of reasons you may want to combine other radio triggers as well.

These could be to –

  • Combine other non Godox V850 and Witstro flash units
  • Use a TTL flash mounted on the camera hotshoe instead of a transmitter unit
  • Simply make use of your existing radio trigger system.

 

The current transmitter units Godox provide are the FT-16 and Cells II.

FT-16 TRANSMITTER

FT-16 can be mounted on most camera hotshoes to fire the Godox flashes, as well as provide a simple remote manual power control.

For the remote power control the FT-16 do not need to be attached to a camera, so they can also be held in hand (a bit like a TV remote), and carried in your pocket etc.

 

CELLS II TRANSMITTER

Cells II are a separate transmitter which provide the HSS function with the Godox V850 and Witstro.

NOTE – most Canon DSLR models should now be compatible with the Cells II, though I have had a report of both the 1Ds, and 1D MKIII not firing the flash at all with the Cells II.

UPDATE – March 2015 – The Godox Cells II-N are now available for NIKON as well.

Its likely Godox will eventually combine the FT-16 and Cells II HSS into one transmitter. Though for now the Cells II must be placed directly on the camera hotshoe to allow HSS with the V850 / Witstro, and the FT-16 transmitter can then be held in hand to change power levels on the flashes.

Godox V850 and Cells II

 

Godox FTR-16 and FTR-16s radio receivers then clip to the side of each of the Godox Witstro and V850 flash units, receiving the fire signal from either the FT-16 or Cells II transmitter units.

And also the remote power control signal from the FT-16 transmitter unit only.

 

Godox V850

 

YONGNUO YN-622N – HSS – NIKON

 

Apart from using the now available Godox Cells II-N transmitter, the simplest option otherwise to achieve HSS with Nikon Cameras is likely by using the YongNuo YN-622N. As the FT-16 transmitter can simply be stacked on top of one YN-622N mounted on the camera hotshoe, with no extra receiver units required.

The YN-622N picks up the early fire signal (required for HSS) from the camera, and passes that on to the FT-16 transmitter on top. So the FT-16 can now send the early fire signal directly to the flash units, and no other YN-622N receivers are required.

 

So the one YN-622N with FT-16 transmitter mounted on top, can now fire up to 16 groups of V850 or Witstro, with HSS available, and just using their existing FT-16/s clip-on receivers –

 

Godox V850

 

 

POCKETWIZARD MINI TT1 – HSS – CANON / NIKON

 

The PocketWizard Mini TT1 transmitter for Canon or Nikon can be used in the same way as the YN-622N described above, to provide the early HSS fire signal, and with no extra PocketWizard receivers required.

The TT1 even have a timing adjustment available, which should theoretically help fine tune the results with HSS.

I’ve had quite a number of conflicting reports though with the TT1, from great results to non at all. This could be due to user error, or not understanding the PocketWizards options. I haven’t used the TT1/TT5 for a while now, so I’m not really sure at this stage why they work for some and not for others.

There are many ways to use and set up the PocketWizard ControlTL system with HSS (actually HyperSync) when using TT1 or TT5 as transmitter units on the camera, and  TT5, or even manual Plus II / III / X, units attached to the flash via sync cord.

 

YONGNUO YN-622C – CANON

 

The Canon version YN-622C are not quite as simple as the Nikon version described above, as they do not provide the early fire signal through the hotshoe, only through their PC sync port.

So instead of stacking the FT-16 transmitter on top of the YN-622C, it must now be connected via a PC sync cord, with a hotshoe at the end which the FT-16 can then be mounted onto. The hotshoe cord is required, as the FT-16 does not have a PC sync port to connect to otherwise.

 

FlashZebra Hotshoe Cord

 

Again you can now fire up to 16 groups of V850 or Witstro, with HSS available, and just using their existing FT-16/s clip-on receivers –

 

Godox V850

 

This configuration works fine, and I find results with HSS are similar to the Cells II. The main issue is simply finding a place to mount the FT-16 and hotshoe.

You can stack them on top of the YN-622 again if the hotshoe cord has a foot underneath, or if you add a screw on type foot. This gets pretty high mounted on the camera, though it does still provide a reasonably convenient place to mount them.

The hotshoe to screwlock PC sync cords are available from FlashZebra.com.

 

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NOTE – If using the YN-622C-TX as transmitter unit 0n the camera hotshoe instead of the regular YN-622C, connecting an FT-16 transmitter via PC sync cord as shown above will not work.

So when using the YN-622C-TX as transmitter either of the methods show below, attaching a YN-622C receiver unit to every flash, or Ft-16 transmitter attached to a YN-622C receiver, would need to be used instead.

 

 

ATTACHING A TTL RECEIVER UNIT TO EVERY FLASH

 

Separate TTL receivers can be attached to all the Godox V850 and Witstro flashes if desired. The combinations above and further bellow just help to reduce the number of receivers required.

This way only the TTL transmitter is needed on the camera hotshoe. The FT-16 transmitter can be held in hand for changing power levels remotely.

YN-622C must be attached to the flash units via PC sync cord to allow HSS with the V850 / Witstro.

[ UPDATE – If using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter mounted on the camera, then the hotshoe on YN-622C receivers will actually provide the early fire signal, and the sync cord is not required ]

 

YN-622C_a640

 

 

FT-16 TRANSMITTER ATTACHED TO A RECEIVER

 

To help clean up the transmitter units mounted on the camera, and reduce the receiver units needed, there is another option. Mounting the FT-16 transmitter on a second YN-622C used as a receiver.

This requires only a second YN-622C, and provides as good results in HSS, if not a little better (due to slight added delay). And still no extra YN-622C receivers are required attached to the Godox flash units.

 

Godox FT-16 and YN-622C

And a second FT-16 transmitter can then be hand held to remotely change the power levels of the Godox flashes.

 

The transmitter and receiver set can then be mounted anywhere away from the camera if desired.

If they were located somewhere around half way between the camera and flashes you could likely even extend the range, as one set of radio triggers is relaying on to the next. Below I have mounted them next to the flash units, simply for convenience.

Note – the power level on the FT-16 transmitter does not match the flashes. This is because a second FT-16 is being used in hand to remotely control the flash power levels.

 

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PHOTTIX ODIN – HSS – CANON / NIKON / SONY

 

The Phottix Odin for Canon for Nikon do not have a pass through hotshoe, or PC sync port on the transmitter. So an option here (without adding an extra Odin or Strato II receiver unit to each flash) is to place the FT-16 on an Odin receiver.

Again this avoids any extra receivers needed on the Godox flashes, and the slight extra delay provides more light in the image when using HSS (as good if not better than the Cells II). A Strato II receiver can also be used instead of the Odin receiver, though I found the delay there starting to go too far and show a little shutter in the image.

 

Godox FT-16 and Phottix Odin

 

You can then either carry the Odin / FT-16 around together, or mount them somewhere away from the camera, and simply use a second FT-16 transmitter in hand / pocket to change the Godox flash power levels.

 

PIXEL KING PRO – HSS – CANON / NIKON

 

The Pixel King Pro for Canon and Nikon should provide the early sync signal required for HSS, and from previous testing the timing (or delay) is similar to the YN-622C.

NOTE – For Canon at least, to receive the early pre-sync signal at the King Pro (or King X) receiver, the King Pro transmitter must be set to ETTL mode for the group being used for HSS. A manual flash can still be used, but the transmitter must be set to ETTL

I have not been able to have the FT-16 work with HSS just mounted straight on top of the King Pro Transmitter, mounted on the camera. A couple of people have said this works with the Nikon version, but those few reports may not be enough to rely on at this stage.

Provided the early sync signal is working though, I would expect you can mount the FT-16 directly on top of a King Pro / X receiver hotshoe, as with the Odin above. And timing should be similar to the YN-622C, which is generally quite good with the slight added delay of the second set of radio triggers.

 

Godox FT-16 and Pixel King Pro

 

 

COMBINING OTHER TTL FLASHES OFF CAMERA

 

If you would like to fire and control your other Canon and Nikon etc TTL flashes off camera, in combination with the Godox V850 and Witstro, most of the above TTL radio trigger options should allow for that. You would simply need the respective TTL receiver units attached to each TTL flash.

The TTL flashes are remote controlled through their respective TTL transmitter (Odin, YN-622C etc), and the Godox flashes are controlled through the FT-16 transmitter.

And HSS should be available to all of the Godox V850 / Witstro and HSS enabled TTL flashes.

 

YN-568EX and YN-622C

 

COMBINING OTHER MANUAL FLASHES OFF CAMERA

 

To combine other manual flashes (or even TTL flashes being used as simple manual flashes) the Cells II can also be used as separate receiver units to the FT-16 as transmitter.

 

TTL FLASH ON CAMERA – HSS OFF CAMERA

 

Using some of the radio trigger combinations described above a TTL flash can also be mounted on the camera, while the Godox V850 / Witstro are fired off camera with HSS enabled.

YongNuo – YN622C and YN622N – TTL Flash mounted directly on the transmitter pass through hotshoe. FT-16 mounted on a YN622C/N receiver, or YN-622c/N receivers attached to all the Godox flashes as well.

YongNuo – YNE3-RX receiver – Canon 600EX-RT or YongNuo YN600EX-RT flash mounted on the camera hotshoe, and YNEX-RX receiver attached to each flash via PC sync cord. Or attach an FT-16 transmitter to a YNE3-RX receiver via PC sync cord.

Phottix – The Mitros+ flash with Odin transmitter would be mounted on the camera hotshoe. FT-16 mounted on a Odin receiver, or Odin/Strato II receivers attached to all the Godox flashes as well.

PocketWizard – TT1 or TT5 –  TTL Flash mounted directly on the transmitter pass through hotshoe. TT5 / Plus III / X receivers attached to all the Godox flashes. (FT-16 mounted on a PocketWizard receiver may also work).

 

 

TTL FLASH ON CAMERA – NO HSS OFF CAMERA

 

If HSS is not required off camera, that opens more options to simply fire the Godox V850 / Witstro lights.

Using a hotshoe to PC sync cord, the FT-16 transmitter can be connected directly to the cameras PC sync port (provided it has one).

 

Another option is to use manual triggers like the Phottix Strato II which have a fairly solid TTL Pass Through Hotshoe. Allowing a TTL flash to be mounted on the camera while manual receivers are attached to and fire the Godox flashes. The FT-16 is then used to control the remote manual power levels of the Godox flashes.

 

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254 Comments
  1. Nathan 2 years ago

    Hello,

    I have been using my Canon 7D for HSS with the YN622C-tx and godox v850 flashes with great success. I just upgraded to the Canon 6D, and when attempting to HSS I am getting a band on the bottom. The flash has most coverage when the SS (supersync) is set to 0 delay. The more delay I add the worse the problem gets. I have tested in both H mode and at regular full power and both yield the same results. Could you comment on this please?

    Thanks!
    Nathan

  2. Richard Lawrence 1 year ago

    EXCELLENT POST!!!!!

    I’ve been trying to get my MiniTT1 (Nikon) to fire the Wistro AD-360 with no luck above sync speed, even with HSS set on all devices. Your picture of the Yongnuo with the FT16 mounted in the passthrough hotshoe and then your comment in the Mini TT1 section about setting it up the same way was the part I was missing.

    You can’t just set HSS on your Mini TT1, Auto-FP on the camera and HSS on the Ad-360 and have the thing do anything other than shoot up to sync speed. After sync speed the AD-360 doesn’t fire at all.

    BUT, mount the FT-16 on top of the Mini TT1 and put the FT-16 receiver into the AD360 and now everything works.

    I can’t wait to find an excuse to do a sports portrait using HSS with my two AD-360s. Thanks for the excellent work.

  3. Richard Lawrence 1 year ago

    Just so you don’t think I’m a total git, I forgot to mention that I did have a FLEX TT5 attached to the AD-360 as well in order for the MINI TT1 to fire the flash. As it turns out, you don’t need to mount the AD-360 on the FLEX TT5 at all.

    So, my final configuration for getting HSS from a Nikon D810 and a Godox AD-360 bare bulb flash is as follows:

    – Nikon D810 set to FLASH SYNC SPEED 1/320 (Auto-FP) (note: 1/250 (Auto-FP) works as well)
    – Pocket Wizard MINI TT1 mounted to the D810 hotshoe
    – Godox FT-16 flash trigger mounted to the Pocketwizard Mini TT1 passthrough hotshoe
    – Godox FT-16 receiver mounted onto the Godox AD-360 bare bulb flash
    – Godox AD-360 bare bulb flash set to HSS mode

  4. Adam 1 year ago

    Hi flash ! I’ve bought two ad360 (original not the Ttl II) and want to do hss. Am I right in thinking I just need an ft-16 transmitter (for remote power control), 2x ft-16 receiver (plugged in to flash) and 1x cells II on the camera hot shoe? Or do I need a cells II on each flash too? Much appreciated ! Great site

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Adam,

      Your first statement was correct, though at this stage you’re generally better off with just an X1T-C transmitter on the camera, and XTR16 receivers attached to the AD360’s. As that provides both HSS and remote power control now with just the one transmitter unit.

  5. Lars W 1 year ago

    Hi There.
    I’m the happy owner of an OMD EM5 mark ll camera and a Godox 360. I really like to use it in HSS mode but can’t figure out how to do it??? I set the 360 the zH (HSS mode) and I got the canon Godox cell ll but it doesn’t work.. It’s triggering the flash but no-go in HSS 🙁
    PLEASE HELP..

  6. Alice2 1 year ago

    Lars W:
    Quoting myself from a message last year:
    “http://www.mu-43.com/threads/51220/
    I am able to use Godox Witstro 360 in HSS mode with E-M5 until 1/4000 if following the instructions found on the site mentioned above. Had to buy a used FL-36 to make this happen, but otherwise, the normal FT-16 transmitter/trigger combo is used.”

  7. ufuk 1 year ago

    need help for HSS combination;

    I have following set and want to work in all in HSS mode. But very confuse how to set up;
    – One yongnuo yn600ex-rt
    – One yongnuo yn-e3-rt
    – One yongnuo yn-e3-rx
    – One godox ad360

    even I connect YNE3-RX to ad360 via PC sync port, HSS didn’t work…

    What am I doing wrong?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi ufuk,

      Silly question, though do you have HSS turned on on the AD360? You still need to turn that on manually directly on the strobe.

      • ufuk 1 year ago

        Thanks for replying question… But yes, i always use ad360 HSS turned on mode… Till today, before yn600ex-rt combination, I used it with VILTROX FC210 with no problem… but now, with new combination, HSS synch couldn’t work.. it fires but not catching the shutter… Than I also upgraded YN-E3-RT AND YN-E3-RX and re-tried… no.. same result again…

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 1 year ago

          Ok, well it should work with the YN-E3-RX attached to the flash via PC sync cord.

          For some reason you must not be getting the HSS pre-sync signal at / from the transmitter.

          If you put the YN-E3-RT on camera, and use the YN600EX-RT as a slave flash set to HSS is that syncing properly at higher shutter speeds?

          If that works then the YN-E3-RX should be getting the pre-sync signal as well.

  8. ufuk 1 year ago

    also what i tried, I put CELL II on as well..

    so combination was
    – 5dm3 camera hot shoe+yn e3-rt one side
    – godox ft16 usb connector on ad360
    – cell II on yn-e3-rx hot shoe

    no HSS result again…

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      I don’t think this would work, because the Cells II generally don’t like to be anywhere but directly on the camera hotshoe.

      I would stick to attaching the YN-E3-RX to the AD360 via PC sync cord.

  9. ufuk 1 year ago

    Dear F.H.,

    Thanks for details and replies… !st you are correct for CELLS II just like on camera hotshoe, and didn’t work…

    2ndly, I followed your sticked way ( which since beginning I am trying to do ), no, still synchronising problem there is… It fires, but shutter dark on top is always cuts full framing of lighted area. When I try it normal with one YN600EX-RT flash, it is working… I can’t believe it doesn’t work syncing properly with YN-E3-RX + YN-e3-rt + godox ad 360… Which is very fatal need for me for outdoor wedding shoots… disappoinment…

    • Martin Saxon 7 months ago

      Have you resolved this issue as I have the same transmitter/ receiver group. Canon 5d3, YN and canon flashes. HSS working on all. I am looking at adding a Godox 360 or 600 and wuld like to know if HSS sync is working.

  10. iman 1 year ago

    hi, i have canon 6d camera and a canon 600 ex speadlite and i’m willing to buy ad 360 godox c my question is what trigger system should i get to control both flashes over remote control on my 6d…thanks

  11. OleJohan 8 months ago

    Hi.
    I got the Wistro AD180, XTR-16 receiver and X1-trigger (Sony version) on a Sony A7RII – and as I know it should work fine for HSS. (It works perfect with my AD600 (TTL-version).

    HSS are not working for me with the AD180 even it is set on HSS mode, It shoots perfect 1/250 and get completly black image at 1/320, but if i set the AD180 to manual mode, I get a “half exposed photo”.

    Does anyone know any solution, or….do my combination of AD180, XTR-16 and X1 simply not work for HSS?

  12. Gill 6 months ago

    Hi FH
    i was wondering to take Godox AD360, but im still not sure
    – Can i use my YN622c, 1 attached on my 7D markII and 1 on AD360 + sync cord ?
    – Or should i buy YN622c TX ? with no sync chord cable required ( based on this article update )
    – Which one is the most cheap way to be able HSS, remote, and power control ?

    Thanks in advance

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 6 months ago

      Hi Gill,

      Either option should work. If you own the YN-622C triggers already, obviously the first option will be the cheapest.

      You still need either the Godox FT-16 (433MHz) or XT-16 (2.4GHz) receiver (plus a compatible Godox transmitter) to provide remote power control with the AD360 though.

      So if the flash is not bundled with the FT-16 triggers already, a better option may be to use a Godox XTR-16 receiver, with an XT-32c transmitter unit. That way you have remote manual power control and HSS, without the need for any other triggers like he YN-622C.
      .

      The Godox System Overview here may help to explain where the Godox system is structured and headed now.

  13. Shin 4 months ago

    If the YN-622C-TX is mounted on the camera, with the YN-622C on the hotshoe of the ad360 without the sync cord, is this set-up only for Supersync? If I wanted HSS instead, I would still need a sync cable attaching the YN-622C to the ad360 correct?

  14. HELA A. 2 months ago

    Hi F.H
    I Just bought the WISTRO AD360 and I could not avtivate the HSS on my Canon EOS 100D.
    When i was reading your article i realized that i was only equipped with a radio transmitter FT-16 (transmitter and receiver USB).
    Im really really confused and the seller did not tell me anything about the HSS adapter. My question is how avtivate the HSS? I read your article and frankly i did not retain a great thing, your article dates since 2014 and GODOX has updated several features.
    Otherwise the new GODOX transmitter X1T-C E-TTL can not Work with my WISTRO AD360 ? Or it is Just intended for the new version AD360? ?
    I really need a very good advice (im beginner in the photographic field), because the sellers dont know much about it and i have to do what is necessary to get the HSS.
    Im waiting for your replay, tanks.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 months ago

      Hi Hela,

      Yes this article is out of date now, though if you want to keep using the FT-16 transmitter and receiver you already have, then you would follow this article and get a Cells II transmitter shown in the first image.

      The better option though would be to get a 2.4GHz XTR-16 receiver, and then you can use the X1T-C transmitter, or the XT32 transmitter, both of which provide HSS.

  15. Pete 13 hours ago

    Hey gang,

    I’m trying to plug in a pocket wizard plus III into the 3.5mm jack, so that i can share my lighting system with the students in my workshops who have a range of different camera brands. It’s not firing =(

    ANY help? Thanks in advance.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 hours ago

      Hi Pete,

      You said that in the AD200 thread as well. There must be something wrong with your sync cord or PocketWizard. Do you have them firing other strobes via their 3.5mm socket?

      Also if you want a universal single firing pin transmitter for the Godox system, you can use the XT-16 transmitter for now. There should be a universal XT32 transmitter eventually as well. At least you have remote power control with those.

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