GODOX – V850 & Witstro – Radio Trigger Alternatives

Godox provide a couple of transmitter units for the popular V850 and Witstro, allowing remote manual power control and HSS with compatible cameras, though there are number of reasons you may want to combine other radio triggers as well.

These could be to –

  • Combine other non Godox V850 and Witstro flash units
  • Use a TTL flash mounted on the camera hotshoe instead of a transmitter unit
  • Simply make use of your existing radio trigger system.

 

The current transmitter units Godox provide are the FT-16 and Cells II.

FT-16 TRANSMITTER

FT-16 can be mounted on most camera hotshoes to fire the Godox flashes, as well as provide a simple remote manual power control.

For the remote power control the FT-16 do not need to be attached to a camera, so they can also be held in hand (a bit like a TV remote), and carried in your pocket etc.

 

CELLS II TRANSMITTER

Cells II are a separate transmitter which provide the HSS function with the Godox V850 and Witstro.

NOTE – most Canon DSLR models should now be compatible with the Cells II, though I have had a report of both the 1Ds, and 1D MKIII not firing the flash at all with the Cells II.

UPDATE – March 2015 – The Godox Cells II-N are now available for NIKON as well.

Its likely Godox will eventually combine the FT-16 and Cells II HSS into one transmitter. Though for now the Cells II must be placed directly on the camera hotshoe to allow HSS with the V850 / Witstro, and the FT-16 transmitter can then be held in hand to change power levels on the flashes.

Godox V850 and Cells II

 

Godox FTR-16 and FTR-16s radio receivers then clip to the side of each of the Godox Witstro and V850 flash units, receiving the fire signal from either the FT-16 or Cells II transmitter units.

And also the remote power control signal from the FT-16 transmitter unit only.

 

Godox V850

 

YONGNUO YN-622N – HSS – NIKON

 

Apart from using the now available Godox Cells II-N transmitter, the simplest option otherwise to achieve HSS with Nikon Cameras is likely by using the YongNuo YN-622N. As the FT-16 transmitter can simply be stacked on top of one YN-622N mounted on the camera hotshoe, with no extra receiver units required.

The YN-622N picks up the early fire signal (required for HSS) from the camera, and passes that on to the FT-16 transmitter on top. So the FT-16 can now send the early fire signal directly to the flash units, and no other YN-622N receivers are required.

 

So the one YN-622N with FT-16 transmitter mounted on top, can now fire up to 16 groups of V850 or Witstro, with HSS available, and just using their existing FT-16/s clip-on receivers –

 

Godox V850

 

 

POCKETWIZARD MINI TT1 – HSS – CANON / NIKON

 

The PocketWizard Mini TT1 transmitter for Canon or Nikon can be used in the same way as the YN-622N described above, to provide the early HSS fire signal, and with no extra PocketWizard receivers required.

The TT1 even have a timing adjustment available, which should theoretically help fine tune the results with HSS.

I’ve had quite a number of conflicting reports though with the TT1, from great results to non at all. This could be due to user error, or not understanding the PocketWizards options. I haven’t used the TT1/TT5 for a while now, so I’m not really sure at this stage why they work for some and not for others.

There are many ways to use and set up the PocketWizard ControlTL system with HSS (actually HyperSync) when using TT1 or TT5 as transmitter units on the camera, and  TT5, or even manual Plus II / III / X, units attached to the flash via sync cord.

 

YONGNUO YN-622C – CANON

 

The Canon version YN-622C are not quite as simple as the Nikon version described above, as they do not provide the early fire signal through the hotshoe, only through their PC sync port.

So instead of stacking the FT-16 transmitter on top of the YN-622C, it must now be connected via a PC sync cord, with a hotshoe at the end which the FT-16 can then be mounted onto. The hotshoe cord is required, as the FT-16 does not have a PC sync port to connect to otherwise.

 

FlashZebra Hotshoe Cord

 

Again you can now fire up to 16 groups of V850 or Witstro, with HSS available, and just using their existing FT-16/s clip-on receivers –

 

Godox V850

 

This configuration works fine, and I find results with HSS are similar to the Cells II. The main issue is simply finding a place to mount the FT-16 and hotshoe.

You can stack them on top of the YN-622 again if the hotshoe cord has a foot underneath, or if you add a screw on type foot. This gets pretty high mounted on the camera, though it does still provide a reasonably convenient place to mount them.

The hotshoe to screwlock PC sync cords are available from FlashZebra.com.

 

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NOTE – If using the YN-622C-TX as transmitter unit 0n the camera hotshoe instead of the regular YN-622C, connecting an FT-16 transmitter via PC sync cord as shown above will not work.

So when using the YN-622C-TX as transmitter either of the methods show below, attaching a YN-622C receiver unit to every flash, or Ft-16 transmitter attached to a YN-622C receiver, would need to be used instead.

 

 

ATTACHING A TTL RECEIVER UNIT TO EVERY FLASH

 

Separate TTL receivers can be attached to all the Godox V850 and Witstro flashes if desired. The combinations above and further bellow just help to reduce the number of receivers required.

This way only the TTL transmitter is needed on the camera hotshoe. The FT-16 transmitter can be held in hand for changing power levels remotely.

YN-622C must be attached to the flash units via PC sync cord to allow HSS with the V850 / Witstro.

[ UPDATE – If using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter mounted on the camera, then the hotshoe on YN-622C receivers will actually provide the early fire signal, and the sync cord is not required ]

 

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FT-16 TRANSMITTER ATTACHED TO A RECEIVER

 

To help clean up the transmitter units mounted on the camera, and reduce the receiver units needed, there is another option. Mounting the FT-16 transmitter on a second YN-622C used as a receiver.

This requires only a second YN-622C, and provides as good results in HSS, if not a little better (due to slight added delay). And still no extra YN-622C receivers are required attached to the Godox flash units.

 

Godox FT-16 and YN-622C

And a second FT-16 transmitter can then be hand held to remotely change the power levels of the Godox flashes.

 

The transmitter and receiver set can then be mounted anywhere away from the camera if desired.

If they were located somewhere around half way between the camera and flashes you could likely even extend the range, as one set of radio triggers is relaying on to the next. Below I have mounted them next to the flash units, simply for convenience.

Note – the power level on the FT-16 transmitter does not match the flashes. This is because a second FT-16 is being used in hand to remotely control the flash power levels.

 

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PHOTTIX ODIN – HSS – CANON / NIKON / SONY

 

The Phottix Odin for Canon for Nikon do not have a pass through hotshoe, or PC sync port on the transmitter. So an option here (without adding an extra Odin or Strato II receiver unit to each flash) is to place the FT-16 on an Odin receiver.

Again this avoids any extra receivers needed on the Godox flashes, and the slight extra delay provides more light in the image when using HSS (as good if not better than the Cells II). A Strato II receiver can also be used instead of the Odin receiver, though I found the delay there starting to go too far and show a little shutter in the image.

 

Godox FT-16 and Phottix Odin

 

You can then either carry the Odin / FT-16 around together, or mount them somewhere away from the camera, and simply use a second FT-16 transmitter in hand / pocket to change the Godox flash power levels.

 

PIXEL KING PRO – HSS – CANON / NIKON

 

The Pixel King Pro for Canon and Nikon should provide the early sync signal required for HSS, and from previous testing the timing (or delay) is similar to the YN-622C.

NOTE – For Canon at least, to receive the early pre-sync signal at the King Pro (or King X) receiver, the King Pro transmitter must be set to ETTL mode for the group being used for HSS. A manual flash can still be used, but the transmitter must be set to ETTL

I have not been able to have the FT-16 work with HSS just mounted straight on top of the King Pro Transmitter, mounted on the camera. A couple of people have said this works with the Nikon version, but those few reports may not be enough to rely on at this stage.

Provided the early sync signal is working though, I would expect you can mount the FT-16 directly on top of a King Pro / X receiver hotshoe, as with the Odin above. And timing should be similar to the YN-622C, which is generally quite good with the slight added delay of the second set of radio triggers.

 

Godox FT-16 and Pixel King Pro

 

 

COMBINING OTHER TTL FLASHES OFF CAMERA

 

If you would like to fire and control your other Canon and Nikon etc TTL flashes off camera, in combination with the Godox V850 and Witstro, most of the above TTL radio trigger options should allow for that. You would simply need the respective TTL receiver units attached to each TTL flash.

The TTL flashes are remote controlled through their respective TTL transmitter (Odin, YN-622C etc), and the Godox flashes are controlled through the FT-16 transmitter.

And HSS should be available to all of the Godox V850 / Witstro and HSS enabled TTL flashes.

 

YN-568EX and YN-622C

 

COMBINING OTHER MANUAL FLASHES OFF CAMERA

 

To combine other manual flashes (or even TTL flashes being used as simple manual flashes) the Cells II can also be used as separate receiver units to the FT-16 as transmitter.

 

TTL FLASH ON CAMERA – HSS OFF CAMERA

 

Using some of the radio trigger combinations described above a TTL flash can also be mounted on the camera, while the Godox V850 / Witstro are fired off camera with HSS enabled.

YongNuo – YN622C and YN622N – TTL Flash mounted directly on the transmitter pass through hotshoe. FT-16 mounted on a YN622C/N receiver, or YN-622c/N receivers attached to all the Godox flashes as well.

YongNuo – YNE3-RX receiver – Canon 600EX-RT or YongNuo YN600EX-RT flash mounted on the camera hotshoe, and YNEX-RX receiver attached to each flash via PC sync cord. Or attach an FT-16 transmitter to a YNE3-RX receiver via PC sync cord.

Phottix – The Mitros+ flash with Odin transmitter would be mounted on the camera hotshoe. FT-16 mounted on a Odin receiver, or Odin/Strato II receivers attached to all the Godox flashes as well.

PocketWizard – TT1 or TT5 –  TTL Flash mounted directly on the transmitter pass through hotshoe. TT5 / Plus III / X receivers attached to all the Godox flashes. (FT-16 mounted on a PocketWizard receiver may also work).

 

 

TTL FLASH ON CAMERA – NO HSS OFF CAMERA

 

If HSS is not required off camera, that opens more options to simply fire the Godox V850 / Witstro lights.

Using a hotshoe to PC sync cord, the FT-16 transmitter can be connected directly to the cameras PC sync port (provided it has one).

 

Another option is to use manual triggers like the Phottix Strato II which have a fairly solid TTL Pass Through Hotshoe. Allowing a TTL flash to be mounted on the camera while manual receivers are attached to and fire the Godox flashes. The FT-16 is then used to control the remote manual power levels of the Godox flashes.

 

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254 Comments
  1. Eugene Bogorad 3 years ago

    One more thing – when using an Odin transmitter (and I presume Mitros+) you don’t actually have to use an (expensive) Odin receiver, you’ll do just as fine with a Strato, Strato-II or Atlas-2 receivers, which are cheaper. In my testing a dumb flash (Nikon SB-26) mounted on a Strato-II or Atlas-2 receiver works with HSS just fine with Odin.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Eugene,

      Thanks for that. I found though that using the Strato II (instead of Odin receiver) with an FT-16 transmitter mounted on top, started to cause a little too much delay, and shutter started to show in the image.

      Even using ODS timing adjustment could not correct that, because the adjustment can only add more delay, not remove any if its already set to zero.

      If using the Strato II receiver directly on the flashes though that would be pretty close to ideal. Thanks.

      • Eugene Bogorad 3 years ago

        Oh, so you did try it! In this case your solution is certainly better and cheaper – one ODIN receiver vs (number of flashes * price of strato-II receiver).

  2. Donald F. 3 years ago

    You should also mention my method: Donald M. Falls’s Method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei2g3zBLvp8 Watch the video

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Donald,

      That’s cool, thanks for that.

      I saw in another comment you’re trying to get the a Canon 430EX II to work as well. All you would need to do there is attach another YN-622C to the 430EX II foot. The 430 won’t work with HSS just attached via a sync cord as you have the V850 there. Thanks.

  3. Peter A 3 years ago

    Most excellent review of combinations that work!

    Um-m-m… I’m not sure why but somehow I read (seemingly as a side note) the there will/could be a TTL V850 within WEEKS? Like THIS March? And it’s not announced anywhere else on your site, or flickr? You must be totally swamped with work to not have this on the top story! But thanks for the mention for those of us who devour your website & reviews. 🙂

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Pete,

      The TTL V850 is not exactly official yet. Its definitely coming but its still in development, and I really have no details other than it is TTL (with the Lithium battery).

      I would think its more likely late March at earliest though.

      • Clocky 3 years ago

        I hope the TTL version comes out, that would be sweet. right now for canon user this price is still too high, 125 (flash + trigger), the YN 560 + YN622C is about 200, but it has TTL and HSS working perfectly, and you can always manual power control with canon built in menu… yes it’s way more expensive but much more convenient to have it all in 1 package.

  4. Óran D 3 years ago

    Strongly thinking of getting V850 and another yn622c to use along with my 430ex ii.

  5. Lobimi 3 years ago

    Thanks for this!
    I ordered the AD360 with FT16 and Cells II for HSS, but is good to known that a flash plugged into Cells II can receive the signal from FT-16, because I still have a YN622c that I used just for the focus assist beam and now maybe it will have a real use of its capabilities (radio trigger). The advantage of using one Cells II for HSS is that I will have the ability to enable HSS in Godox flashes from the camera position, right?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Lobimi,

      Sorry, that comment really had me confused for a while.

      In the last sentence, do you mean the Cells II should be able to turn HSS on and off from the camera?

      If that’s the case the answer is no unfortunately. Non of the current triggers can allow the H-Mode (HSS) on the flash to be turned on and off remotely unfortunately. This is likely the biggest downfall of the current system, and Godox have not said if this could be enabled with a new transmitter unit or not.

      The only thing I can suggest in that case (as in you can’t access the light, but still need to turn HSS on and off) would be not to turn H-Mode on at all, but place the flash on full power, and you will get a similar HSS like result anyway. Because the flash is doing long duration sync (like HyperSync). And there is no need to set anything on the flash.

      That is the same solution to beat the 10 shot overheat protection in H-Mode at full power, just leave H-Mode off and you have 75 shots at full power. Long duration sync does have more gradient in the light pattern, and some shutter clipping can occur with full frame etc cameras at some higher shutter speeds.

      • Lobimi 3 years ago

        Thanks for waking me up, I dont know where I got this idea to turn HSS on / off remotely. My fault.

      • Andrew 3 years ago

        “Non of the current triggers can allow the H-Mode (HSS) on the flash to be turned on and off remotely unfortunately.”

        The Odins can ?????

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi Andrew,

          No, the Odin can’t turn the H-mode on the flash on and off.

          You can turn HSS on and off on the Odin, though I think that just limits the camera shutter speed to 1/200th etc x-sync.

          If you’re only using long duration sync (flash on full power, H-mode left off) then the HSS turns on and off automatically as you go over or under x-sync. (The HSS symbol always shows as on though, the same as a Canon flash on camera).

  6. Vardhan Kale 3 years ago

    Flash havoc,
    Thanks so much for this awesome post and for helping us tackle the labrynth of incompatibility.
    Is my assumption correct that the camera mounted YN 622N TX will also work and replace YN622N in this setup explained above ?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Vardhan,

      Thanks for that, yes the YN-622TX should work much like the Phottix Odin set up seen here, as neither have a pass through hotshoe on the transmitter.

      Unless you’re controlling other TTL flashes as well though, just for the sake of convenience the regular YN-622N with FT-16 stacked on top would likely be the preferred way to go still. Thanks.

  7. mrH 3 years ago

    Does anyone know if the Godox FT16 will work with Lencarta Atom flashes or are they all “locked” to each brand?
    Thanks

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi mrH,

      They are all compatible.

      Some have different markings printed around the channel dials though. If they are printed differently between transmitter and receive, you have to ignore the printed channel and just place the dial in the same positions, and they will work as normal. Thanks.

      • mrH 3 years ago

        OK Thanks. the Lencarta one is over twice the price of the Godox one and they look identical.

  8. Merc 3 years ago

    My google search powers seem to be fading. Can someone link me the sliver hotshoe pictured with the canon hack. I can seem to find one that takes the 1/8 jack.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Merc,

      Sorry I meant to try and track down some available options. I made the silver ones myself (when I was young and silly and there weren’t any others available), so you won’t find those alloy ones anywhere.

      The dual shoe type seems to be the most common 3.5mm sync port option available now – Amazon, Ebay.

      FlashZebra also has a lot of cords avaialble, and some hotshoes.

      • Merc 3 years ago

        Thanks ordered a couple of flashzebra

  9. Azuki 3 years ago

    >>YongNuo YN-622N – HSS – NIKON
    Only full emission?
    Can not be adjusted: ‘- (

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Azuki,

      Is the full emission only in HSS mode?

      Which camera and flash models are you using? Thanks.

  10. mrH 3 years ago

    Has anyone had any joy getting HSS to work using FT-16/Pixel king (not pro)?

  11. Kristian Podrepsek 3 years ago

    Dear Flash Havoc!

    I´m sorry but my english is not really well… 🙁
    But I try to describe my questiont as well as possible….

    Now:
    Outdoor I use actually 8 Phottix and 2 pcs. 580ex with my canon 5DII. I use a Phottix Odin transmitter and conect each flash with an odin receiver.

    But for less equipment and more power I want to buy a set of 5 Cheetah CL 360.

    What I understand is:
    At the receiver side I allways have to use 1 CL 360 + 1 receiver (at the USB-Port) + 1 Power Pack. (for 1 set)

    And on the transmitter side the Phottix Odin at the Camera. 1 Odin receiver mounted with a FT-16 on top (More than less next to he camera). For receiving the start signal from the camera and pass it thrue to the receiver at the USB Port?

    And for setting the power I have to use a second FT-16….

    Am I right?

    Greatings from Austria, Kristian
    Fine art nude photographer

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Kristian,

      That is correct!

      You don’t have to use a second FT-16 transmitter for power setting though, if you have access to the first FT-16 connected to the Odin receiver.

      A second FT-16 transmitter is just easier to put in your pocket etc, without the Odin receiver attached. Thanks.

      • kristian 3 years ago

        Dear Flash Havoc!

        Yesterday I got my new 360. I test it together with my Odins. I found out that is only possible to set the power at “normal modus” (less than 1/250)
        As soon as I set the flash to HSM, the power is fixed at 1/8. And I only can change it with the Wheel at the flash (1/8 – 1/1) but not with the FT-16.

        What do you thinking about this? Could this be a malfunctiion of the FT16 or the Flash?
        Have you ever heread this?

        best regards from Austria, Kristian

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi kristian,

          That is unusual, I have not heard of that issue before.

          I guess it could possibly be a fault of the FT-16 / FTR-16, though unfortunately it sounds more like a fault of the flash (if the FT-16 is working in regular mode).

          1/8th to 1/1 is all that is available in H-mode, though is should work with the FT-16 as well.

  12. Kristian Podrepsek 3 years ago

    Oh… I have forgotten…. to use the HSS, I have to set the Odin transmitter to HSS?

    Again best regards, Kristian

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Kristian,

      Yes that is correct. But you must also set the flashes to H-mode directly on the flash.

      Unless you want to do long duration (HyperSync) instead. But the flashes must be on full power then.

  13. Mark 3 years ago

    So as i understand it, you could do YN622N on camera + TTL flash on camera then FT-16 on YN622 off camera will trigger HSS for the V850

    Does that mean YN622N-TX on camera and YN622N + FT-16 off camera allows TTL flash metering and adjustment to I-TTL flashes as well as manual remote power adjustment + HSS on the V850?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Mark,

      For point one – that is right, though I’m not sure with Nikon if you can place the FT-16 TX directly in the YN-622N receiver hotshoe, or if you need to attach them via a PC syc cord as the Canon version requires (for HSS to work).

      For point two – I’m not sure if you’re expecting remote manual power adjustment of the V850, through the YN-622N-TX. That is never going to happen unfortunately. The rest is correct.

      For either option though you can still adjust the remote manual power levels of the V850 through the FT-16 transmitter. You can put another FT-16 TX in your pocket if that’s more convenient. With full control of the ITTL flashes through the YN-622N-TX as well. Thanks.

  14. Eric 3 years ago

    For the Canon solution with the YN622-C and FT16….If you didn’t need to do HSS is it possible to sync regularly without the PC sync cord solution? For example:
    Using the 622C on camera as a transmitter/af assist to other Canon flashes with 622 receivers off camera for TTL firing. Then Mount the FT16 direct through the pass through shoe on camera via the 622C to fire and control an AD180. Will that work?
    So the only time you need the PC sync on camera with the FT16 in conjunction with the 622C is when you need HSS like described above correct?
    Thanks in advance!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Eric,

      Sorry, yes that is correct. If you don’t need HSS you can place the FT-16 transmitter directly on top of the YN-622C transmitter or receiver hotshoe.

      I use the YN-622C sometimes just as a focus assist light, with the FT-16 mounted on top to fire the AD360.

      If I forget to turn the YN-622C on as well though, the signal will not go through to the FT-16 on top (and it doesn’t fire the flash then).

      But yes, the PC sync cord connection is only needed for the HSS. Thanks.

  15. Andy C 3 years ago

    I have a godox 180 and bought the 622c set as remote triggers…180 is on the 622 hotshoe..transmitter on my 5d3…cannot get hss to work

  16. Andy C 3 years ago

    OK….I just plugged a sync cord from the 622 receiver to the transmitter and I am getting hss…I think
    but the power output is so low even on full power that I am barely getting an exposure at 8 ft 800 sec at f4…iso 250. My canon 600 exrts do much better than this…maybe I am still doing something
    wrong

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Andy,

      The AD180 should be at least a stop more light in HSS than a 600EX-RT in HSS. Its generally actually closer to 2 stops more.

      I see in the YN-622 post you’re having issues just getting ETTL to work with the YN-622C as well, so you’re obviously having a few other problems there anyway.

      But if possible you might want to try attaching the YN-622C receiver directly to the AD180 via the PC sync cord. That will give a slightly different timing than the FT-16 TX attached to the YN-622C RX, and either make the results better or worse.

      You should be able to get pretty decent results with the YN-622C as they are. But the coming YN-622C-TX will have a timing adjustment which will allow you to tune in the most light into the frame possible.

  17. Merc 3 years ago

    I have 4 Neewer branded v850’s and godox ft-16s tiggers. Last night while night club job I kept getting misfires. I set up 2 flashes on the back of the stage(ch2) and 2 in the front(ch1) all set to 1/128 power. Shooting with canon 6d. Triggering with the yn-622 like flash havoc has posted about. At times only 1 or 2 flashes would go off. sometimes none will. Was very frustrating. My question is could there be electric interference from the stage lights, speakers, microphone cause this. would it be better to use letter or higher channels? Before I used a combo of yn-565 and canon 580ex’s with yn-622 triggers and never had a problem like i did last night.
    Also I see everyone talking about how great the battery is. I used 1 flash on wed for about 150 shots at 1/128 power.Had it on for 3 hours. Use it on friday(did not charge) for the same thing and same setting and it died 1.5 hours the job. I would use Sony eneloops for the same type of job and they would last 3 days no problems.
    Any help would be great. So frustrated right now. I have till the 21st to return them and will be able to test them out on the 19th.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Merc,

      As mentioned on the Canon forum, using HSS there is likely your problem. That’s limited to 30 shots before overheat protection cuts in, even at 1/128.

      HSS (or H-mode) with these flashes has to be treated carefully, because its very taxing on the flash tube.

      H-mode generally puts out a stop more light than HSS with a 600EX-RT etc, so its likely putting all the capacitor charge through, where Canon and Nikon etc appear to be holding back to protect the flash.

      I’m not sure if that relates to your battery issue, as one other person recently has reported an almost dead battery from new. So there may be a few duds. But they are brilliant when working properly. I haven’t had any issues, and very few reported.

    • grafikastudios 3 years ago

      Hi!
      Try to use only channels 2 and 3, i had missfires using ch1, till i put them on ch2 >> ni missfires at all for 4 months !! And much better range !

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 3 years ago

        That’s interesting, thanks grafikastudios.

      • Luka 2 years ago

        grafikastudios, could you be more specific? How can I set channel 2 or 3? There is the wheel for Groups and the other thing for Channels. But the thing for channels has 4 things that can be positioned up or down. I can’t understand how should I position them, for channel 2 or 3.
        THank you!

  18. Chris 3 years ago

    Hi there,

    I’m having a bit of trouble seeing how this all works with Nikon. If I was just to be using ONE godox v850. How would I get the HSS to work with Nikon? Is it just a case of using a set of triggers like the YN-622N instead of Godox own?

    IE the trigger on top of the camera, then the flash attached off camera to the yn622n. Would this work for HSS?

    I’m looking to buy one of these flashes, but only if I can get HSS to work with this simple set up. Or would it be better for me to buy the iTTL YN568EXII?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Chris,

      You don’t even need to use a set of YN-622N, all you need is a single YN-622N with the Godox FT-16 transmitter mounted on top like this (both on the camera hotshoe, and an FTR-16s receiver clipped to the side of the flash).

      That way you still have remote manual power control with the V850.

      But yes you could also just use a set of YN-622N. They will fire the flash with the early fire signal required for HSS, but you have no remote manual power control unless you add a set of FT-16 / FTR-16s as well anyway. So the above solution makes more sense in that case.

      You may be better off with YN-622N and a TTL flash if you prefer a more automated HSS which turns on and off automatically as needed. And the option of TTL and second curtain sync etc. I would get the YN-622N-TX (and a YN-622N receiver) as the TX interface is much easier to adjust the flash power.

      The advantage of the Godox HSS (or H-mode) is that it generally puts out 1/2 a stop if not more light. But its not as convenient as you need to turn it on and off at the flash. The Lithium-Ion battery in the V850 is a great advantage too, though there should be a V860 TTL version coming for Nikon in April.

      With the V860 and YN-622N you could actually choose between Nikon HSS or H-mode as needed or preferred (but that is doubling up triggers when the YN-622 would give full control on their own).

      So if you want to keep things simple and automated the YN-622 and a TTL flash would be the way to go. That probably makes more sense if just using the one flash.

      You may even want to consider the Phottix Odin and Mitros+ set, as there is not even any receiver needed then. It doesn’t get any neater than that. Thanks.

      • Chris 3 years ago

        Thanks for the reply. 🙂

        That’s helpful. Clears up my confusion a lot thanks.

        I really want the godox for the fact that it uses Li-ion batteries, and the price/build quality ratio is great. Even better than my YN560 III which I currently use. I’ve ummed and arr’d about getting the 568EXII and the appropriate triggers but I’m sick of using AA’s to be honest.

        Is there any more updates on when the V860N is being released then? In to may now, and couldn’t find anything on here about them being released. Be good if Godox got that out soon, as I’d happily wait.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi Chris,

          No updates on the V860N at this stage. I don’t want to keep pestering Godox for this one, as we know they are working on it, and its one of those things that just takes as long as it takes to get sorted out.

          This is Godox’s first Nikon compatible TTL flash, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they run into some unexpected hiccups which set things back.

          Using AA’s for one flash doesn’t really bother me so much, its just that when you have a number of flashes AA’s get tiring quickly. The single Lithium battery, and lack of battery packs, simplifies things dramatically.

          Not having to worry about batteries, and a fairly fast recycle time for a flash on camera without an external battery pack is nice too, but the big advantage I think is with a number of off camera flashes.

          • Chris 3 years ago

            That’s fair enough! 🙂

            I might look into alternatives and using a battery pack for the time being then, then I can always sell when Godox release the v860.

            Thanks for all your help! 🙂

  19. Bao Nguyen 3 years ago

    Thanks for the wrap ups. These are awesome. I have one question though, does any of these methods work for 2nd (rear) curtain sync for Canon 6D?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Bao,

      Yes any of the TTL triggers which offer second curtain sync can provide that to the V850 / Witstro. The Phottix Odin, YN-622, King Pro etc. That is using a corresponding receiver attached to the flashes at least.

      I would need to check if placing an FT-16 transmitter on top of a YN-622 transmitter, or FT-16 on top of one of the other TTL receivers would work in SCS.

  20. Stefano 3 years ago

    Hi there, have somebody tried to manage HSS with Fuji X-T1 camera?
    I own Godox 850v flashes with also FT-16 and FT-16s accessories, and I’m looking for a HSS solution. Could the Godox Cells II works on Fuji cameras? eventually, could the YN-622 (canon or nikon version?) works on Fuji cameras?
    thanks to all for support

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Stefano,

      Sorry no, there is no radio trigger available which can pick up the HSS pre-sync signal from Fuji.

      If your Fuji has a HSS enabled flash available (Update – google tells me the Fuji X-T1 doesn’t unfortunately), then you could use an optic slave (also combined with radio triggers if desired) to pick up the early fire signal. Thanks.

  21. Xavier 3 years ago

    Hi there, I’m really interested about Godox V850 with Sony cameras like the A7R, specifically about HSS support. As far as I understand maybe using a Phottix Odin it should be possible to have HSS with Sony cameras, but…

    – Did you have the opportunity to try it? Do you think it would work fine with Sony cameras?
    – Any cheaper/better options? ( Maybe Pixel King even if as I understand it doesn’t work with Canon? )
    – Do you know if there are any plans to release Cells II for Sony cameras?
    – Does the Godox V850 support HSS using the optical cell? (Like Cactus RF60 sympathy mode)

    Thanks for your time, you have a really good site 🙂

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Xavier,

      Sorry no I do not have a Sony camera to try this.

      Though if any of the TTL triggers work with HSS with the A7R, then they should at least work to some degree with the V850 in H-Mode HSS as well.

      I don’t know if the Phottix Odin for Sony work with the A7R and HSS (best to check with Phottix), though the Odin would be a better option than the Pixel King if possible, because the Odin have a timing adjustment available.

      No I don’t know of any plans for a Sony version cells II at this stage unfortunately, sorry.

      Yes the V850 support H-mode/HSS using the optic slave cell. This is generally not very practical though, because its usually bright ambient light you would want to use the HSS, and that’s where the optic slaves does not work so well. So radio is much better if possible. Thanks.

      • Xavier 3 years ago

        Hi there,

        I’ve just received a couple of Godox V850 plus remote control and they work flawless with the A7R up to 1/200. Which is quite weird as the flash sync speed of the A7R is 1/160. Now I will try to get my hands on a Photix Odin for Sony to try the HSS. I hope it will work… I’ll let you know about my findings, so you may add it to this article.

        Regarding optical slave cell HSS, well I was considering also getting Aokatec AK-TTL if the Phottix Odin doesn’t work. But Photix Odin seems a cleaner solutions (if it works) and anyway I need at least one TTL capable remote trigger for other purposes.

        Thanks!

        • Abdulkamal B. Abdullahi 3 years ago

          So, Xavier, were you eventually able to get HSS?

  22. JerryR 3 years ago

    Amazingly thorough review! Thanks for the effort!

    I bought two of the V850s from Edward at CheetahStand and am thrilled with them. I would like to find a receiver that will allow me to trigger other third-party flashes using the FT-16 without stacking triggers. I notice you mention using Cells II transceivers as receivers to do exactly this, but looking at CheetahStand’s website I see that Ed warns against mounting any flash on the transceiver hotshoe. Any idea why? I’ll follow up with Ed as well.

    https://www.cheetahstand.com/product-p/cl-cellsii-c.htm

    “Even you see on the photo,There is a hot shoe,Please DO NOT use this HSS transmitter as a reciver and put light on that hot shoe.”

    BTW, I’m using these with an X-T1 with no problems at all. I noticed this question was asked earlier.

    Thanks again,

    Jerry

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Jerry,

      Thanks for that. You should be able to use the Cells II as a receiver, I’m really not sure what Edward is referring to there. Maybe he is just meaning that you shouldn’t mount a flash on its side. Or if the flash is upright the Cells II case and antenna will be on their side, which is not ideal for radio reception. I’ve tested them like that though and they appear to work ok.

      You can always use a sync cord from the flash to the Cells II as receiver though (instead of using the hotshoe). The Cells II are the only current directly compatible universal receiver option though.

      Thanks for X-T1 confirmation!

  23. Mike Devlin 3 years ago

    I have been using The Godox Witstro AD180’s (3 units) with a Nikon D800… I am able to use upto 1/8000s sync as long as I remember to crop a little looser than normal… The bottom fraction (aprox 1/32-1/16) is not useable… Using the YN-622N is a real game saver… I can now use wide apertures in sunlight and still be able to use flash lighting…

  24. Johan Rosen 3 years ago

    Hi, I just got a Godox Witstro AD360 and I tried the HSS via Odin but get a little band at the bottom of the pic.

    BUT, if I put the Odin AD360 on the Odin receiver directly, it works perfect!

    I will test it more tomorrow.

  25. Kelvin 3 years ago

    Turns out, you don’t need any Cells II or FT-16’s to get HSS from a V850. After reading the post, I gathered that the FT-16’s are just basic triggers.

    If you have a YN622C, and you plug in any “dumb trigger” via the 622c PC into the line-in jack on the dumb trigger, then activate the HSS on the v850, it still works. I used a 622c and a Cactus V5 to get HSS, with the V850 on a second Cactus V5.

  26. Retzonis 3 years ago

    Hi
    I want to combine Canon 6D + 580 EXII + GODOX V850 Ving + FT 16
    I mount 580 on cameras hot shoe and FT-16 transmitter on an external hot shoe with pc cable so i can mount it on 580 pc sync port (6D doesnt have a pc sync port) . The on camera flash works ok but the Godox doesnt fire …
    A friend of mine has done the exact combo but he mounts the pc cable on the pc port in Mark III and everything works fine
    I have also tried the combo : 6D + yongnuo YN-622c on camera + 580 on yongnuo and Godox + YN-622 and FT 16 like tv control … everything works fine exept that when i want to change the on camera flash power ( in manual mode ) i must go to cameras menu and that is no convinient to me .I must have direct access to the flash.

  27. pwp 3 years ago

    Today I bought the Godox Witstro AD360. Main reason is I want the HSS (Canon) function. Can I get HSS with a Cells II transmitter and the very compact FT-16 receiver attached to the Witstro?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi pwp,

      Yes that is correct, you can use the FTR-16 receiver with the Cells II transmitter to use the H-mode HSS. Thanks.

  28. pwp 3 years ago

    I changed my mind and instead of the FT-16 or Cells II systems I’m traveling first class with Phottix Odin & 3 Odin receivers. OMG what an awesome system using the Witstro and two 580EXII speedlights in combination. All I can say is I regret not buying into the Odin system a couple of years ago.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi pwp,

      Thanks, yes I’ve been using the Mitros+ as the transmitter unit as well, and that’s even a better interface than the Odin. But I still have an FT-16 in my pocket to control all the Witsto and V850 if needed.

  29. ellery 3 years ago

    Okay can the Mitos+ be used with a YN622N as a TTL trigger either on camera or off camera ? I am half way into a YN622N/YN603 to work SB900, SB800 and 560 mark III flashes. I intend to get another TTL flash and the Mitros+ is a front runner in value for money and capabilities. What I do not want to do is have to go into another flash trigger system.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi ellery,

      I’m not completely sure what you’re asking there. The Mitros+ has its own Odin and Strato II radio master unit built-in. But that is not directly compatible with YN-622N receivers, or any triggers other than Phottix’s own triggers.

      Using a Mitros flash on a YN-622N receiver, I think their have been some reports of that working ok, though in general YongNuo and Phottix TTL gear do not always play well together. So I personally wouldn’t be planning to go out and buy that combination. It would be safer to stick with Nikon or YongNuo flashes if you’re set on the YN-622N.

      The Mitros+ for Nikon are still having a few teething problems, but otherwise the Canon version for example is a major step ahead of YN-622C if you need a TTL flash on-camera with master radio built in. So sticking with the YN-622N in that case would be the last of my concerns, as the Mitros+ / Odin are much more convenient there. If TTL master flash on camera is not such a priority though YN-622 / Nikon SB / YongNuo flash would be the safer combination.

      If you did want to try the Mitros flash with the YN-622N, the original Mitros (not +) is $100 cheaper because it doesn’t have the Odin radio transmitter built in (and you can’t use that Odin transmitter with the YN-622N).

      But my concern would still be that even if that combination does work ok now, YongNuo, or even Phottix, could do a firmware update, and you suddenly find there is a compatibility bug. Then you’re stuck with a Mitros with no radio master built in either. So in that case with the Mitros+ you could at least get Odin / Strato II receivers later if needed. Thanks

  30. mariel 3 years ago

    Dear Flashhavoc,
    I would have a question. Can the Cells II transmiters do 2nd curtain sync?
    Thanks.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Mariel,

      Sorry no not with the Cells II. You would need a full TTL trigger as the transmitter like the YongNuo YN-622 or Phottix Odin etc. Thanks.

  31. Sebas 3 years ago

    Hi Sir,

    I have now a couple of flashes Godox for test.

    One is the Ving V860 for Canon.

    The other is the autonomous Godox Xenergizer 600.

    I was looking info to cross the Xenergizer in Canon and Nikon systems in HSS mode and I do not have information, unfortunately i don’t have Godox Cells II. I have only one drive FT-16 and a receiver.

    Ok, I have YN622N and YN622N TX for Nikon. As YN622C for Canon.

    I was reading your article (as always very useful) and I understand that the HSS Sync cable for use with Canon 860 Ving necessary?

    For Nikon ok, i will put FT-16 above a 622 and I’ll get HSS. In this case there is a possible combination of physical mount the FT-16 on YN622N TX. It’s possible to synchronize with cable (622TX + FT-16) as you sample with YN622C & Canon cameras/speedlites?

    Well, I’m thinking of the possible combinations.

    Moreover, thanks! Pixel Mago is coming.

    Best regards,
    Sebas

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Sebas,

      Thanks, yes you need to use a PC sync cable from the YN-622C receiver if you want to use the H-mode HSS of the Godox flashes. Though the V860C has a regular HSS mode as well, and this will work straight on the hotshoe of the YN-622C receiver.

      The difference is regular HSS can use TTL exposure as well, but H-mode can provide more light in the image. Regular HSS also turns On and Off automatically, where H-mode must be switched On and Off on the flash.

      If you have a PC sync cord though you can try both methods to see which you prefer.

      For Nikon – I don’t think you can attach the FT-16 directly to the YN-622N-TX PC sync port, because I think that is now only an input port.

      If that doesn’t work though, you should be able to place the FT-16 on top of a YN-622N receiver. Like this (though you don’t need the PC sync cord there with Nikon versions). Thanks.

      • Sebas 3 years ago

        Hi mate,

        Finally I could test the compatibility of Godox Xenergirzer ES600P, FT-16 & n 622C, 622N & n YN 622 TX.

        Ok, I tell you.

        With YN 622C + Canon : I connected a YN 622C Xenergizer with sync cable and omitted the use of the FT-16. The sincroniación exposure to 1/4000s flash worked. Fantastic. As you already said FT-16 on YN 622C is not support HSS.

        With YN 622N, great from first try, FT-16 on a YN 622N (hot shoe) and all running at 1/8000s. I did not use sync cord, as it was not necessary.

        Ok, better yet. YN 622N TX on the camera, transmitter FT-16 on a YN-622N FT-16 receiver on Xenergizer . Metz 52 AF-1 in another unit YN 622N. All working properly to 1/8000s. That if you can not make adjustments on xenergizer from YN-622TX, just from the FT-16.

        I wanted to tell you this so that you can have in mind. Incidentally, I did not remember the day before. YN-622-TX has a pc sync port on the rear. It is possible to run it in the same way that you show with YN-622C. Except that I did not have such a connection in which his example of Canon.

        Thanks again for your information! It is very useful.

        Best regards!

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Thanks for the Feedback Sebas.

          Sorry I haven’t had a chance to test the YN-622C-TX yet. I’ll try to update this once I have. Thanks.

        • CH 3 years ago

          Hi Sebas,

          I am having a AD360 and a Nikon SB800 and SB900. Do you think with the usage of YN622N-TX. I will be able to get both 3 of them work together flawlessly at HSS? (where I could still use the TX to control the power for both SB800 and SB900, and the FT-16 to control the lighting power of Godox AD360?) Thanks for your advise and information. :”)

          Best Regards.

  32. Frank 3 years ago

    I hope you can help me. I have a panasonic GH4.

    Can the Cells II work on a strictly manual camera (center contact only hotshoe)

    If so, can the Cells II trigger the NEEWER FT 16s (they look identical) receivers?

    If so, can the Cells II be triggered by a pc cord and not the hot shoe?

    Thanks for the help!

  33. Frank Donnino 3 years ago

    Godox Cells II 433MHz 16 Channel Wireless Flash Studio Strobe Trigger Transceiver fire the Neewer FT16s receivers?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Frank,

      No the Cells II only fires from a Canon ETTL compatible hotshoe. They are very sensitive and won’t even work with an ETTL cord in-between camera hothshoe and transmitter. They must be mounted directly on the camera hotshoe.

      I’m not sure now off the top of my head if they will fire via a PC sync cord from camera to transmitter. Though I’m not sure you would gain much there over the FT-16 transmitter anyway, as they would loose the HSS signal, and the FT-16 transmitter can fire both FTR-16 receivers and Cells II as receivers anyway.

      The Neewer and Godox units are exactly the same, just re-branded. So using a compatible ETTL camera you can fire Neewer FTR-16s receivers from the Godox Cells II. Thanks.

      • Frank Donnino 3 years ago

        Thanks. So that’s the issue. They won’t work on a Panasonic GH 4 anyway even for straight manual flash photography. Thanks!

  34. Dave R 3 years ago

    I have now tried supersync at 1:1 with an AD-360 using a YN-622C-TX on camera in two different setups. One method was firing the flash with a YN622C connected directly to the AD-360 with a sync cable. The second method was your suggestion of an FT-16 connected to a remote YN-622C via sync cable. Both work with little to no gradient visible in the image. As you suspected I get a bit more light output with the FT-16/YN622C trigger arrangement presumably due to the added delay. The difference is only about a third of a stop but is visibly lighter in the image as well as in the histogram. I love using the YN622C setup to trigger the FT-16 because it lets me control my Canon flash units directly from the 622 and pair them easily with the Godox unit fired from the remote FT-16. Thanks for the great suggestion.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Great, thanks for the feedback Dave!

  35. Marc 3 years ago

    I have a CANON 6D (last firmware) with a AD-180, CellsII-C and FTR16 but cannot use HSS.

    Someone with the same conf are already used the HSS ?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Marc,

      I don’t have the 6D, though I know this had been tested and working with the Cells II and AD180 etc. I’ve not heard of any issue / change due to the latest 6D firmware.

      • Marc 3 years ago

        It’s works with one CellsII-C and a FTR16 ? or with two CellsII-C ??
        I can’t see if HSS work with CellsII-C with FTR-16? (The max speed I see for this receiver is 1/250s it’s true ??)
        Thx for reply

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Yes the Cells IIc should work in H-mode HSS with the FTR-16 receivers.

          Do you have HSS selected in the cameras external flash control menu?

          (You should have a choice between – First Curtain, Second Curtain, and High Speed Sync).

  36. Scotty 3 years ago

    Do you know if other 433mhz godox transmitter units will fire the FT-16s recievers connected to V850’s. I don’t care about hss, i just want a smaller transmitter on the camera (without using the Ft-16s transmitter as a relay).

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Scotty,

      Not that I am aware of. The cells II are the only other transmitter or receiver directly compatible with the FT-16 and FTR-16s at this stage.

      A number of people just use the Phottix Strato II or similar as the radio trigger system though, so that they can turn groups on and off quickly as well.

      The FT-16 is then used in hand to adjust power levels.

  37. pwp 3 years ago

    The HSS function is THE reason I bought the Godox 360. I trigger with Phottix Odin. Is it just me, or do other users trigger the overheat-protection function on the flash after shooting just 10-12 full power shots in fairly quick succession in HSS mode? This abruptly increases the recycle time to almost 10 seconds. In regular non-HSS mode, it will fire 70-75 shots one after the other before the overheat-protection kicks in.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi pwp,

      Yes this is normal and stated in the manual. The lower the flash power level is set the more shots you can do before the flash is slowed.

      The best option if you want to use full power with HSS, and shoot more, is to simply leave H-mode off, and use the same radio trigger system (Odin set to HSS), and you will be using Long Duration Sync then instead.

      This is not changing anything on the flash, so it can shoot 75 shots at full power before slow down as usual (though the battery back will shut down to cool before 75 shots when using the AD360 if you are too fast). Thanks,

  38. Yuli 3 years ago

    Hi,

    My English is not good.

    I want to know if the FT-16S is compatible with Nikon cameras.

    Thank you.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Yuli,

      The FT-16 is the transmitter unit on the camera. But yes the FT-16 and FT-16s are compatible with Nikon cameras, or any camera with at standard hotshoe. Thanks.

  39. Rickfl 3 years ago

    I have not been able to get the ft-16 to fire when mounted on the hotshoe of the YN 622c, which is mounted on camera. Any idea why? The ft -16 fires when mounted directly on camera. I’m trying to trigger my 580EXII and cheetah light 360 at the same time. I have a 622c on the 580EXII and just using the ft-16 receiver on the 360.

  40. Rickfl 3 years ago

    Never mind. I figured it out. I wonder if it had to do with the order in which I turned on the camera and triggers. Anyway, it’s working now.

  41. Luka 3 years ago

    Anybody tried to use a ft-16s mounted on camera as a trigger and a canon flash mounted on a cells II hotshoe as a reciever? Does it really work?

    I suppose this is what the autor meant here:
    “To combine other manual flashes (or even TTL flashes being used as simple manual flashes) the Cells II can also be used as separate receiver units to the FT-16 as transmitter.”

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Luka,

      Yes that works with the FT-16 as transmitter. Though I haven’t really tested the range in any detail. It would likely be better with the Cells II antenna upright.

      There are rumours the Cells II are being discontinued though. I haven’t been able to confirm that with Godox yet, though it does sound very likely. Thanks.

  42. Luka 3 years ago

    Thanks for the reply.
    Is there another product coming from Godox to achieve HS sync? Why is it discontinued?
    I know is possible to use other systems to achieve HS sync with godox flashes, but I like to keep it simple.

    On weddings I need to keep it as simple as possible. OK, Canon system would be almost perfect. But also very very expensive and even more if you like to have a backup in case something broke. And also the recycling time without the external battery pack is double the godox time.

    On wedding reception our setup is:

    – My girlfriend: Canon 580 EX II flash on camera hotshoe
    – Me: Canon 430 EX flash on camera hotshoe
    We use on-camera flashes for Canon superb AF assist beam and little fill light when needed.
    – We both have also a FT-16s connected to the camera PC-sync port (through a hotshoe cube with PC-sync cable) to trigger 2 Godox V850 off-camera flashes as backlight or one for backlight and the other on the side or front or bounce.

    Thanks to Godox Li-ion battery, recycling time is fast (we usually use 1/32 or 1/16 power – recycling is almost instant!). That is why we both can use the same off-camera flashes at the same time! 🙂 Misfires because of recycling are very very rare. And I didn’t have any other misfire problems with the Godox system. When needed, we can also change the channel of one off camera flash and transmitter, so each of us has its own off-camera flash to control.

    The only problem I have with Godox triggering system is because of the Group selection wheel. It is not sturdy enough. Can happen very quickly to turn the wheel accidentally. Just a little is enough, to interrupt the remote power control capability. It happens to me and my girlfriend 2-3 times a wedding each. This is really annoying. But i am going to fix this on recivers with a duck-tape. On the transmitter I can’t do this because I change the channel when I control the power of the 2 off-camera flashes.

  43. alpboy 3 years ago

    HI there and thanks a lot for this subject. Very interesting.
    I would like to ask a question to make sure I’m not making any mistake.
    I’d like to purchase a godox wistro 360 and use it with HSS. I work with canon cameras.
    My questions are :
    I f I buy a FT 16 cell2, do I need to purchase a Yongnuo YN 622 C to have this HSS?
    I’m having a hard time understanding the configuration of my body set up. Could you help me please?
    Thanks a lot

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi alpboy,

      If you get a Cells II and FT-16 you won’t need any YN-622C. Just place the Cells II on the camera hotshoe, and put the FT-16 in your pocket, to use just when changing power levels remotely on the flash.

      It sounds like Godox may be discontinuing the Cells II though. So once they are no longer available you would then need to use the YN-622C triggers for HSS. But at this stage the Cells II transmitter will do the job. Thanks.

      • Alpboy 3 years ago

        Hi flash,
        Thanks a lot for your answer. Very usefull. Great job

  44. Alpboy 3 years ago

    By the way what is the difference between FT 16 and FT 16S? Thanks a lot

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Alpboy,

      The FTR-16 and FTR-16s are the receiver units which clip on to the side of the flash units.

      The FTR-16 is for the Witstro and studio lights, and the FTR-16S is a smaller unit designed for the V850 and V860 speedlites.

      They have different plugs and sockets in the flashes though, so they are not interchangeable. They both use the same transmitter units though.

  45. alpboy 3 years ago

    Thanks a lot for those answers Flash.

  46. Tony 3 years ago

    Hello,
    I bought 1 Flash Kit Godox V850 with a transmitter Cells II
    I like camera Canon EOS 6D.

    I wanted to skateboard pictures 1/1000 th HSS mode with the V850 kit that I have half the HSS flash mode on the same channel!
    The V850 is triggered correctly at a distance of 8 meters but beyond 8 meters longer works flashes!
    I feel that there is a desire to distance between the flash and Cells II transmitter
    Yet the V850 and Cells transmitter designed for remote operation 100 meters

    Could you bring me an answer to this problem knowing that I made photos with an EOS 6D

    Thank you very much for your answer
    Tony

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Tony,

      A few people have reported range issues with the V850. I’m really not sure why. This is generally using the FT-16 transmitter and FTR-16 receivers though.

      If you have only one transmitter and receiver to try, then it could possibly be an issue with either your transmitter or receiver.

      Some other things that may affect the range are having the flash close to the ground, and possible even very cold weather.

      Have you tried using different Channels on the triggers?, as so radio interference could be causing an issue in some locations as well.

      Also use good alkaline Duracell or Energizer batteries in the transmitter.

  47. halit 3 years ago

    Dear flash havoc,thanks for all your effort .
    i just had a plain question that i cant solve.
    i was wondering if there is any way of firing v850 off camera with ft-16 while you have another flash on camera (nikon) .i have tried with hotshoe adapter because on camera flash is a sb700 with no pc sync cord but no success.would placing a odin (or similar) on hotshoe and placing sb700 on top and hooking up a ft16 to odin help me fire all flashes ?
    I would appreciate if you can fill me in on this because i cant seem to find any solution
    thanks in advance

    • Serdar 3 years ago

      Halit, I did use FT-16 on top of a FC-8N optical hotshoe slave trigger. So it’s totally portable – it doesn’t have to be on your camera if you choose to do so. But as you’d probably want quick access to FT-16; you might place it on a cold-shoe of a flash bracket (as long as optical sensor of FC-8N sees your on-camera flash)

  48. Serdar 3 years ago

    Hello,
    Did you hear about any means of using V850/AD360s in HSS/FP mode with Olympus micro four third cameras?
    Since Olympus don’t have any (OEM or 3rd party) wireless TTL triggers; there is no means of grabbing “early fire” signal electrically (by means of a PC socket on a trigger etc).
    Inspired by your various methods above; I thought that I might be able to grab that “early fire” signal optically.
    I attached tiny Olympus FL-LM2 on to my OM-D E-M5 and I set the flash mode to FP (I tried both FP-TTL and FP-manual).
    Once set to FP mode; FL-LM2 flash only acts as commander – sending short light bursts.
    Then I first connected my V850 (set on to HSS mode by button) on to a FC-8N optical hotshoe slave trigger.
    When I shoot my E-M5; both FL-LM2 and V850 flashes fires. But it’s not HSS, as the picture is dark.
    So FL-LM2 is outputting that early-fire signal (probably bundled with some other pulses). But probably V850 is firing too early (or too late).
    Next I put wireless transmitter of V850 on to same FC-8N optical hotshoe slave trigger (so running V850 wirelessly). Same result; it fires, but no HSS.

    My conclusion is that; probably I’m not getting the pure early-fire signal in above optical method (as you are getting electrically thru those wireless-TTL triggers).
    I have a Metz 52 AF-1 flash on order. That does HSS on Olympus. I’ll try to get hopefully a pure optical signal when that Metz flash fires actual HSS.
    I’ll try to trigger V850/AD360 with that pulse.

    Metz and Nissin are grabbing that early-fire signal from Olympus bodies – to use on their flashes.
    So that means that Olympus is not restricting the license for that. Unfortunately Metz and Nissin are not in to wireless triggers (neither Olympus is).
    So the blame squarely lies on other 3rd party OEMs (such as Godox and Yongnuo) who stubbornly ignore micro four thirds market.

    Thanks if you have any suggestion for wireless HSS on Olympus, for V850/AD360.

    • Serdar 2 years ago

      Well, no response from Flash Havoc. At least I should update with my own experiments, so it might help people in same situation.
      I received my new Metz 52 AF-1 flash. Very good performance as on-camera FP-TTL flash. It also acts as commander (although I didn’t have a second “Olympus-official” FP/HSS flash to test commanding ability of Metz in FP/HSS mode.
      I conducted tests to see if Metz would trigger my V850 flash and AD360 strobe (in HSS mode). No success. As mentioned above; I use FC-8N optical hotshoe slave trigger. V850 and AD360 always fire. So that means they are triggered by Metz optically. But output of V850/AD360 is not captured by the exposure. So it’s not HSS (although V850/AD360 is set to HSS mode).
      (Since this page is confirming HSS firing Godox V850 flashes (even with radio)) I have to conclude that; the actual optical HSS pulse (coming out of Metz) is not early enough to trigger V850/AD360 for a proper HSS exposure.
      I didn’t even use Godox radio transmitter, as it’d introduce further delay. FC-8N optical trigger supposed to provide instant response (unless if it has any internal capacitor – something which might introduce delay). So other than such FC-8N optical triggering, I don’t have any other/faster triggering means of driving V850/AD360 (can’t be done with sync cable – as neither Olympus body nor flashes don’t have any sync connector).
      I tried above tests both on FP-TTL and FP-manual modes; no difference.
      By the way; Olympus tiny FL-LM2 flash doesn’t have any FP capability at all (whether as in commander or in main on-camera flash role).
      When my Olympus body is in FP mode; there are only two flash modes allowed: fill and 2nd curtain. I tried above tests in either mode (to see if one can fire V850 in FP); no luck.
      All above mentioned methods (for Canon and Nikon) rely on grabbing “early fire” signal electrically from hot-shoe camera connector (by means of third party triggers).
      Again (on micro four thirds cameras) we don’t have any means of grabbing same signal electrically. And as my tests show; grabbing optical/actual FP pulses have no use (too late). It might also be that; Olympus early-fire signal has much tighter timing compared to Canon/Nikon early-fire signals. Who knows.
      End result; we micro four thirds users have no chance of utilizing (let alone radio) 3rd party manual HSS flashes such as Godox.
      May be one day…

  49. Alaa Bayer 3 years ago

    if I want to use HSS on Canon so I’m using YN-622c on my Camera connected to FT-16 through PC Sync cable to hot shoe, but what about the Flash side is it need to be mounted on another YN-622C or connected through PC Sync cable ??

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Alaa,

      If you have the FT-16 transmitter connected to the YN-622C transmitter as you described, then no you don’t need any extra YN-622C receiver attached to the flash. Because the FT-16 transmitter is firing the FTR-16 receiver attached to the flash.

      You can attach a YN-622C as receiver to the flash if you want to though. And in that case you don’t need to connect the 2 transmitters together on the camera, just use the YN-622C.

      If using a YN-622C alone as the transmitter, then the YN-622C as receiver must be attached to the flash via PC sync cord to receive the early fire signal for HSS.

      But if using the later YN-622C-TX as the transmitter, the YN-622C as receiver can be used directly on the flash foot to provide the early fire signal for HSS as well.

  50. Matt 3 years ago

    Hey mate, fantastic site, it’s been very helpful in my recent transition to Nikon.

    I’m still trying to work out how best to achieve HSS with the v580n.

    I’ve purchased the YN-622N, and have put the FT-16 on top. Firstly, I keep reading everywhere that you have to manually turn HSS on via the flash. I’ve read the manual for the v860n and can’t see how to do this. It turns on automatically when on camera but there is no button to do this otherwise.

    Currently I can only get HSS to work when the flash is set to 1/1. Is that correct? If so how do people control flash power at this stage? Via distance from subject to flash only?

    I’d love to get this working without having to go down the road of expensive pocket wizards etc. Any tips or ideas on what I’m doing wrong?

    thanks,
    Matt

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Matt,

      I can’t recall if I have even checked now, but I don’t think the V860N for Nikon even has a H-mode HSS function. So that would explain why you can’t see how to turn it on on the flash.

      You will likely need a YN-622N attached to the flash foot as receiver, and that will allow regular HSS.

      In most cases that is a better option if you need HSS at lower power levels anyway, as it switches on and off automatically as you go over or under the cameras synd speed.

      And using long duration sync at 1/1 power as you are doing now is often a better method than the H-mode as well, as you are not limited to just 10 consecutive shots.

      • Matt 3 years ago

        Thanks so much! I’ll grab a couple more YN-622Ns and try that out.

        cheers,
        Matt

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