GODOX – V850 & Witstro – Radio Trigger Alternatives

Godox provide a couple of transmitter units for the popular V850 and Witstro, allowing remote manual power control and HSS with compatible cameras, though there are number of reasons you may want to combine other radio triggers as well.

These could be to –

  • Combine other non Godox V850 and Witstro flash units
  • Use a TTL flash mounted on the camera hotshoe instead of a transmitter unit
  • Simply make use of your existing radio trigger system.

 

The current transmitter units Godox provide are the FT-16 and Cells II.

FT-16 TRANSMITTER

FT-16 can be mounted on most camera hotshoes to fire the Godox flashes, as well as provide a simple remote manual power control.

For the remote power control the FT-16 do not need to be attached to a camera, so they can also be held in hand (a bit like a TV remote), and carried in your pocket etc.

 

CELLS II TRANSMITTER

Cells II are a separate transmitter which provide the HSS function with the Godox V850 and Witstro.

NOTE – most Canon DSLR models should now be compatible with the Cells II, though I have had a report of both the 1Ds, and 1D MKIII not firing the flash at all with the Cells II.

UPDATE – March 2015 – The Godox Cells II-N are now available for NIKON as well.

Its likely Godox will eventually combine the FT-16 and Cells II HSS into one transmitter. Though for now the Cells II must be placed directly on the camera hotshoe to allow HSS with the V850 / Witstro, and the FT-16 transmitter can then be held in hand to change power levels on the flashes.

Godox V850 and Cells II

 

Godox FTR-16 and FTR-16s radio receivers then clip to the side of each of the Godox Witstro and V850 flash units, receiving the fire signal from either the FT-16 or Cells II transmitter units.

And also the remote power control signal from the FT-16 transmitter unit only.

 

Godox V850

 

YONGNUO YN-622N – HSS – NIKON

 

Apart from using the now available Godox Cells II-N transmitter, the simplest option otherwise to achieve HSS with Nikon Cameras is likely by using the YongNuo YN-622N. As the FT-16 transmitter can simply be stacked on top of one YN-622N mounted on the camera hotshoe, with no extra receiver units required.

The YN-622N picks up the early fire signal (required for HSS) from the camera, and passes that on to the FT-16 transmitter on top. So the FT-16 can now send the early fire signal directly to the flash units, and no other YN-622N receivers are required.

 

So the one YN-622N with FT-16 transmitter mounted on top, can now fire up to 16 groups of V850 or Witstro, with HSS available, and just using their existing FT-16/s clip-on receivers –

 

Godox V850

 

 

POCKETWIZARD MINI TT1 – HSS – CANON / NIKON

 

The PocketWizard Mini TT1 transmitter for Canon or Nikon can be used in the same way as the YN-622N described above, to provide the early HSS fire signal, and with no extra PocketWizard receivers required.

The TT1 even have a timing adjustment available, which should theoretically help fine tune the results with HSS.

I’ve had quite a number of conflicting reports though with the TT1, from great results to non at all. This could be due to user error, or not understanding the PocketWizards options. I haven’t used the TT1/TT5 for a while now, so I’m not really sure at this stage why they work for some and not for others.

There are many ways to use and set up the PocketWizard ControlTL system with HSS (actually HyperSync) when using TT1 or TT5 as transmitter units on the camera, and  TT5, or even manual Plus II / III / X, units attached to the flash via sync cord.

 

YONGNUO YN-622C – CANON

 

The Canon version YN-622C are not quite as simple as the Nikon version described above, as they do not provide the early fire signal through the hotshoe, only through their PC sync port.

So instead of stacking the FT-16 transmitter on top of the YN-622C, it must now be connected via a PC sync cord, with a hotshoe at the end which the FT-16 can then be mounted onto. The hotshoe cord is required, as the FT-16 does not have a PC sync port to connect to otherwise.

 

FlashZebra Hotshoe Cord

 

Again you can now fire up to 16 groups of V850 or Witstro, with HSS available, and just using their existing FT-16/s clip-on receivers –

 

Godox V850

 

This configuration works fine, and I find results with HSS are similar to the Cells II. The main issue is simply finding a place to mount the FT-16 and hotshoe.

You can stack them on top of the YN-622 again if the hotshoe cord has a foot underneath, or if you add a screw on type foot. This gets pretty high mounted on the camera, though it does still provide a reasonably convenient place to mount them.

The hotshoe to screwlock PC sync cords are available from FlashZebra.com.

 

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NOTE – If using the YN-622C-TX as transmitter unit 0n the camera hotshoe instead of the regular YN-622C, connecting an FT-16 transmitter via PC sync cord as shown above will not work.

So when using the YN-622C-TX as transmitter either of the methods show below, attaching a YN-622C receiver unit to every flash, or Ft-16 transmitter attached to a YN-622C receiver, would need to be used instead.

 

 

ATTACHING A TTL RECEIVER UNIT TO EVERY FLASH

 

Separate TTL receivers can be attached to all the Godox V850 and Witstro flashes if desired. The combinations above and further bellow just help to reduce the number of receivers required.

This way only the TTL transmitter is needed on the camera hotshoe. The FT-16 transmitter can be held in hand for changing power levels remotely.

YN-622C must be attached to the flash units via PC sync cord to allow HSS with the V850 / Witstro.

[ UPDATE – If using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter mounted on the camera, then the hotshoe on YN-622C receivers will actually provide the early fire signal, and the sync cord is not required ]

 

YN-622C_a640

 

 

FT-16 TRANSMITTER ATTACHED TO A RECEIVER

 

To help clean up the transmitter units mounted on the camera, and reduce the receiver units needed, there is another option. Mounting the FT-16 transmitter on a second YN-622C used as a receiver.

This requires only a second YN-622C, and provides as good results in HSS, if not a little better (due to slight added delay). And still no extra YN-622C receivers are required attached to the Godox flash units.

 

Godox FT-16 and YN-622C

And a second FT-16 transmitter can then be hand held to remotely change the power levels of the Godox flashes.

 

The transmitter and receiver set can then be mounted anywhere away from the camera if desired.

If they were located somewhere around half way between the camera and flashes you could likely even extend the range, as one set of radio triggers is relaying on to the next. Below I have mounted them next to the flash units, simply for convenience.

Note – the power level on the FT-16 transmitter does not match the flashes. This is because a second FT-16 is being used in hand to remotely control the flash power levels.

 

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PHOTTIX ODIN – HSS – CANON / NIKON / SONY

 

The Phottix Odin for Canon for Nikon do not have a pass through hotshoe, or PC sync port on the transmitter. So an option here (without adding an extra Odin or Strato II receiver unit to each flash) is to place the FT-16 on an Odin receiver.

Again this avoids any extra receivers needed on the Godox flashes, and the slight extra delay provides more light in the image when using HSS (as good if not better than the Cells II). A Strato II receiver can also be used instead of the Odin receiver, though I found the delay there starting to go too far and show a little shutter in the image.

 

Godox FT-16 and Phottix Odin

 

You can then either carry the Odin / FT-16 around together, or mount them somewhere away from the camera, and simply use a second FT-16 transmitter in hand / pocket to change the Godox flash power levels.

 

PIXEL KING PRO – HSS – CANON / NIKON

 

The Pixel King Pro for Canon and Nikon should provide the early sync signal required for HSS, and from previous testing the timing (or delay) is similar to the YN-622C.

NOTE – For Canon at least, to receive the early pre-sync signal at the King Pro (or King X) receiver, the King Pro transmitter must be set to ETTL mode for the group being used for HSS. A manual flash can still be used, but the transmitter must be set to ETTL

I have not been able to have the FT-16 work with HSS just mounted straight on top of the King Pro Transmitter, mounted on the camera. A couple of people have said this works with the Nikon version, but those few reports may not be enough to rely on at this stage.

Provided the early sync signal is working though, I would expect you can mount the FT-16 directly on top of a King Pro / X receiver hotshoe, as with the Odin above. And timing should be similar to the YN-622C, which is generally quite good with the slight added delay of the second set of radio triggers.

 

Godox FT-16 and Pixel King Pro

 

 

COMBINING OTHER TTL FLASHES OFF CAMERA

 

If you would like to fire and control your other Canon and Nikon etc TTL flashes off camera, in combination with the Godox V850 and Witstro, most of the above TTL radio trigger options should allow for that. You would simply need the respective TTL receiver units attached to each TTL flash.

The TTL flashes are remote controlled through their respective TTL transmitter (Odin, YN-622C etc), and the Godox flashes are controlled through the FT-16 transmitter.

And HSS should be available to all of the Godox V850 / Witstro and HSS enabled TTL flashes.

 

YN-568EX and YN-622C

 

COMBINING OTHER MANUAL FLASHES OFF CAMERA

 

To combine other manual flashes (or even TTL flashes being used as simple manual flashes) the Cells II can also be used as separate receiver units to the FT-16 as transmitter.

 

TTL FLASH ON CAMERA – HSS OFF CAMERA

 

Using some of the radio trigger combinations described above a TTL flash can also be mounted on the camera, while the Godox V850 / Witstro are fired off camera with HSS enabled.

YongNuo – YN622C and YN622N – TTL Flash mounted directly on the transmitter pass through hotshoe. FT-16 mounted on a YN622C/N receiver, or YN-622c/N receivers attached to all the Godox flashes as well.

YongNuo – YNE3-RX receiver – Canon 600EX-RT or YongNuo YN600EX-RT flash mounted on the camera hotshoe, and YNEX-RX receiver attached to each flash via PC sync cord. Or attach an FT-16 transmitter to a YNE3-RX receiver via PC sync cord.

Phottix – The Mitros+ flash with Odin transmitter would be mounted on the camera hotshoe. FT-16 mounted on a Odin receiver, or Odin/Strato II receivers attached to all the Godox flashes as well.

PocketWizard – TT1 or TT5 –  TTL Flash mounted directly on the transmitter pass through hotshoe. TT5 / Plus III / X receivers attached to all the Godox flashes. (FT-16 mounted on a PocketWizard receiver may also work).

 

 

TTL FLASH ON CAMERA – NO HSS OFF CAMERA

 

If HSS is not required off camera, that opens more options to simply fire the Godox V850 / Witstro lights.

Using a hotshoe to PC sync cord, the FT-16 transmitter can be connected directly to the cameras PC sync port (provided it has one).

 

Another option is to use manual triggers like the Phottix Strato II which have a fairly solid TTL Pass Through Hotshoe. Allowing a TTL flash to be mounted on the camera while manual receivers are attached to and fire the Godox flashes. The FT-16 is then used to control the remote manual power levels of the Godox flashes.

 

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254 Comments
  1. Vincent Palma 3 years ago

    Hello! I would love to know if Hypersync can be acchieved with a sony a7 thru the godox trigger. Or is there any standalone trigger that can trigger HSS without activating it in the a7 menu ?
    For example I have today some yongnuo hss flashes and a canon flash
    I also have the yn622c-tx and some normal yn622. Can this somehow be used as a workaround ?

    • rob 3 years ago

      I have exactly this problem – wanting to trigger hsson the godox wirelessly with the A7ii. There are a couple of triggers that might work when combined with the FT16 – Pixel King and Phottix Odin – but there is no evidence it can be done and they are reasonably expensive triggers to pick up on the off chance.

      If you find a solution let me know.

      • daniel 3 years ago

        rob. i have phottix odin. i can confirm that odin hss does not work with a7s nor a7r. i heard pixel king is the only solution right now.

    • Clay 2 years ago

      I need to get my 860 flash to do hss on my Sony a6000, will the Sony version of the pixel king work or is the phottix odin my only option? I see so many confusing articles on this subject made worse by the change in the hot shoe by Sony. Can you provide me with the correct information? I also have a neewer 680 flash with hss available.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Hi Clay,

        Another person confirmed yesterday that the Phottix Odin for Sony will work with he Sony a6000 and A7 II.

        I can’t 100% confirm the Pixel Kings for Sony, but I’m going to order a set now and test them with the my A7.

        From vague reports previously I think they should work though.

        • Joel 2 years ago

          Any updates on the Pixel Kings? Will you update/post about the results? There is such a dearth of wireless HSS trigger for Sony.

          • Author
            Flash Havoc 2 years ago

            Hi Joel,

            I’m still waiting for the Sony Kings to arrive. I can update this with results with the original Sony A7. That’s the only Sony camera I have at this stage.

            • Joel 2 years ago

              That’s the only one I have too! 😉

            • Author
              Flash Havoc 2 years ago

              I have some bad news unfortunately.

              After having my Sony Kings order cancelled once again, apparently due to lack of stock, I checked with Pixel about what’s going on, and it turns out all the original Kings including the Sony version were discontinued last year.

              So what ever stock there is left with some dealers is all there is available.

              And Pixel are not currently planning another Sony TTL trigger. Not for the A7 etc anyway.

              With that being the case I’d really rather put the money towards the Sony Odin. Though with that, I’d really prefer to wait for the Odin II, which would surely have the Multi Interface shoe. The question is how far could that be away still.

              • Joel 2 years ago

                Wow, that is bad news. So our only option is the overpriced Odin system? Ouch. The A7 is popular enough I’m surprised Pixel isn’t updating. I’m not surprised their original Sony Kings didn’t sell well—they released them with the old mount!

              • Joel 2 years ago

                I went ahead and bought some Kings. The Odin system is too expensive for my needs (strictly HSS) and Godox’s future trigger plans seem murky.

                The good news is that the Kings, *running the latest firmware*, do enable HSS with the Winstro/FT-16 system. It will NOT work with the FT-16 transmitter mounted on top of the King transmitter (although this did allow me to sync properly at 1/250 which I couldn’t do before). However mounting the FT-16 on the King receiver OR attaching the King receiver via sync cable to the AD360 DID work. I hope to post more info on my blog soon but I wanted to share my findings here.

                • Author
                  Flash Havoc 2 years ago

                  Ok thanks for updating this Joel. Its a pity Pixel are not continuing the Sony kings at this stage as they are becoming scarce now.

                • Justin 2 years ago

                  So I have a set of kings running the latest firmware, Sony A77ii, Sony MI to ISO Hot shoe adapter, TT850 and Minolta Hot shoe to ISO hotshoe adapter. I’m trying exactly like you said, King TX on camera(using Sony MI Adapter), King Rx with FT16Tx attached, TT850 set to HSS. But no luck. Is there something i”m missing?

        • Jim Urbain 2 years ago

          Supersync / Hypersync up to 1/8000s is working with the Sony A7ii and the Pixel King TTL for Sony. I had to update the Pixel Kings to the latest firmware. The PK transmitter is connected to the camera via ADP-MAA Shoe Adaptor. The PK receiver is connected to the AD360 via sync-cable. The Ad360 is in “normal”-mode (HSS disabled) and at full power.

          • Author
            Flash Havoc 2 years ago

            Thanks Jim,

            The only problem is the Pixel Kings for Sony are now discontinued.

            The Pixel Opus for Sony are still available though, and apparently provide the pre-sync signal as well.

  2. Sam 3 years ago

    Hi everyone,

    I purchased 2 AD360s along with F16 trigger + F16/s clip-on receivers. My question is: How can I trigger the 2 units along with my Einstein strobe (on-location photography)? I have a canon 6D which doesn’t have PC sync port. Any recommendations would be highly appreciated. Thanks.

    Great site!!

    • Serdar 3 years ago

      I assume that you want to use your Canon hotshoe to wirelessly to trigger Einstein. Just an idea; you can add a small bracket to your Canon. Then add a FC-8N optical hotshoe slave trigger on to that bracket (just mechanically attach). Then add your Godox wireless transmitter on to FC-8N. So when Einstein fires; so will your AD360s.

  3. Mark 3 years ago

    I have a conon 5d mkii and the godox 360 and the YongNuo YN-622C. I ordered the sync cord but the hot shoe has yet to arrive. I tried this though and it worked. I mounted the godox 360 on to the YongNuo YN-622C and linked the sync ports together from flash to receiver and it works fine. Can anyone try this and confirm the same results.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Mark,

      Yes that should work fine.

      If you are attaching a YN-622C receiver to each flash, then all you need to do to achieve HSS is attach the YN-622C via it’s PC sync port to the flash (via one of the flashes sync ports, or a hotshoe attached to the foot).

      If using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter (and YN-622C as receiver attached to the flash) then you don’t even need to use a PC sync cord anymore, just mount the flash directly on the YN-622C hotshoe, and HSS will still work.

      Unfortunately I have not had a chance to write this guide properly as I would have like, it was just written quickly as an overview of the options.

  4. Motti 3 years ago

    Just received my V850 (2), my V860, Cell-II and the FT-16 (one trigger and three receivers. I just started using it and a couple of issues are up:
    1. When using the V850 as an off camera strob it goes to sleep and when it does the trigger does not wakes it up.
    2. The Cells II has one issue with it’s “foot”, the metal pings are too long and I cannot slide it on the camera hotshoe. I might have to shave it a bit.
    3. Now to the bigger problem with the Cells II, I thought I could connect the Cells II to my on camera flash with PC cable. This way, I can trigger off camera flashes while using on camera flash. No can do! And that is a huge bummer. There is no other way to shoot events and I wish there was a way to do so.

    I see in this article that I can purchase a hot shoe with pc connector and connect that to the camera (or the on camera flash) and place the FT-16 trigger in the hot shoe. However, I wish there was a way to work the Cells II.

    Any suggestions regarding those points?

    Thank you,
    Motti

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Motti,

      1. You can turn the sleep mode of in the V850’s custom functions.

      2. I’m not sure about that, I have not heard of anyone needing to modify the pins. I’d try to avoid that as much as possible.

      3. The early HSS signal comes from the TTL contacts on the camera hotshoe, so you need to tap into those one way or another.

      With genuine Nikon flashes you can actually attach any regular radio trigger (transmitter) to the on-camera flashes PC sync port, and that will provide the early HSS signal. Canon flashes do not provide the PC sync out or HSS signal.

      You could either mount a YN-622C on the camera and mount your flash on top of that (then attach a YN-622C receiver to the flash via PC sync cord).

      Or another way I have done it is to used the Mitros+ flash which has a TTL transceiver built in, and then attach an Odin receiver to the flash. Or as mentioned in the post you can mount an FT-16 on top of the Odin receiver to fire a number of flashes through their own clip on FTR-16 receivers.

  5. Motti 3 years ago

    Hi,

    Thank you for the VERY quick reply :-).

    I thought there should be a way to cancel sleep mode. I will look into it tomorrow. I guess I will have to read the instructions 🙂 Something we all avoid.

    I really do not know what else to do except returning it (the Cells II) the pins stick out so much it is impossible to slide the trigger into the camera show. I will have to contact the seller, could be a one off problem.

    I am not sure I understand number #3. I am not looking to do HSS…just to trigger the V850’s by connecting the Cells II to the on camera flash.

    If the Cells II “foot” has to be mounted on the camera hot shoe (as you suggested) I cannot have the flash on it. I realize now that the phone connectors in the Cells II are to trigger a studio flash only.

    You suggest using other flashes but in order to achieve what I want, can’t I just use a hot shoe to PC connector and connect it to my on camera flash (SB-900 or the V860)?

    Just to remind you, I am not looking for HSS.

    Thank you again!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Motti,

      Which camera are you using? Because the Cells II are only compatible with Canon!

      Its no wonder then if you can not fit that on a Nikon hotshoe.

      But if you are using Nikon then you are in luck. Yes you can attach a hotshoe to PC sync cord to the PC outlet of the SB-900 flash on camera (but not the V860).

      You want to attach that hotshoe to the foot of an FT-16 transmitter though, and attach the FTR-16s receiver to the side of the flash.

      Now you have remote power control of the flashes from the transmitter as well.

      And although you don’t need it, you can even use HSS as well !

      So if you are using Nikon it would be best to return the Cells II and get the FT-16 transmitter and receivers.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 3 years ago

        I should add, if there is any chance you would like to fire some other non Godox studio lights or speedlites etc, then the Cells II can actually come in handy as a receiver unit to the FT-16 transmitter, to fire other lights as well.

  6. Motti 3 years ago

    Hi,

    Thank you for this. I shoot with the Nikon Nikon D3 but I am about to get the Nikon D750. The one disadvantage the D750 has its the lack of a PC connector. That means I have to connect the Hot Shoe+PC to the flash instead of the camera (usually I connect the trigger with a PC cord directly to my D3).

    You say that it will work with the Nikon SB900 but not with the Godox V860? That’s too bad, I really wanted the V860 to be my TTL flash but that will not do if I cannot trigger off camera flashes.

    Like you suggested, I will keep the Cells II to trigger a non Godox flash but I will buy another FT-16 transmitter for a backup.

    I think that if Godox will work on those small bugs and in fact merge the two triggers as one with the ability to connect with a cord they will have real winners here.

    Any suggestions how to use the V860 and trigger off camera flashes will be appreciated!!

    Thank you again, this is very informative.

  7. Motti 3 years ago

    I just tried to connect my older trigger to the V860 but, as you suggested, it would not trigger anything. I wonder why the mini pc connection for if not to trigger other flashes…

    The only way I can see triggering other flashes with the V860 as an on camera flash is to place it on a YN-622N and then connect it to the FT-16 transmitter via PC hot shoe. Wow, that is so cumbersome settup for such a simple thing.

    Any photographer will tell you that a set up that I ask for is an essential settings to any photographer. And it could easily be achieved by making the FT-16 with a PC connection AND even a hot shoe ability (so the flash is on top of the transmitter while it is on the camera hot shoe).

    Not having the V860 able to connect to a transmitter and in turn trigger off camera flashes is another let down by Godox. It is disappointing. If I had known about all that I would go for the YN system.

    I am writing in details so other people can read and learn. Your blog is very popular and educational and this is a real life situation that people should know about,

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Motti,

      Don’t worry, I have been driving the flash and trigger manufacturers up the wall for many years now trying to explain exactly the type of thing you are describing. Its slow progress but we are getting there.

      The PC sync out is actually very uncommon apart from the Nikon SB-800 / 900 / 910. Canon do not provide PC sync out at all, and rarely do third part flashes.

      But I actually pushed the point for the need for this with Godox a lot, and the owner of the company actually explain the reason they did not offer this is because they want to do it properly, and plan a whole new trigger system carefully for all their lights.

      This will very likely incorporate a TTL version of the Witstro flashes with TTL radio transceiver and master built in. The V850 and manual lights with clip on receivers would be incorporated into the system. That system will likely be available some time this year. You would expect master unit V860 etc to come as some stage as well.

      For now Godox expect people will use YongNuo triggers for HSS use as needed. They have made the V860 for Canon at least compatible with most other TTL triggers (I’m not too sure about the Nikon version).

      So the current Godox trigger system is only temporary. The new system has taken a while, and may be a while yet, I don’t know. But the most important thing is that they do plan it properly this time.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 3 years ago

        Also if you don’t need HSS, the Phottix Strato II are another transmitter option with TTL pass through hotshoe for a TTL flash to be mounted on top.

        The Strato II do not have an AF assist light though like the YN-622N.

        For heavy use though you’re likely better off to avoid the pass through hotshoe and just use your SB-900 with PC sync port out for this. Canon owners do not even have this option.

  8. Motti 3 years ago

    Elvis,

    Good for making manufacturers aware of those points!! I guess we Nikon users have been spoiled by Nikon’s flashes but I do believe even YN has PC connectors and so is other third party flash manufacturers. That would be very good for Godox.

    Unfortunately for us now, we have to find different way to trigger. Especially when Nikon (and I believe Canon) manufactures cameras without PC connections. Why??? Who knows.

    The lack of consistency in photography equipment manufacturing is appalling in my opinion. They add something and take something off (usually important something).

    Oh, well.

    I just ordered two hot show + PC adapters one to put the FT-16 transceiver on and the other to put the V860 on. That should do the trick.

    Thank you for your help and advice.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Yes many flashes have PC sync ports, but they are input only. Nikon SB-800 / 900 / 910 are some of the few that have input and output PC sync ports.

      YN flash sync ports are input only as well.

      Canon and Nikon unfortunately very deliberately leave the Sync ports out of lower model flashes and cameras so that professionals have a reason to need to buy the higher models.

  9. Motti 3 years ago

    I though PC ports were output ports in all instances. Good to know.

    “…Canon and Nikon unfortunately very deliberately leave the Sync ports out of lower model flashes and cameras so that professionals have a reason to need to buy the higher models..”

    You mean SPEND MORE MONEY UNNECESSARILY

    lol

    On a positive note, I find the V860N doing a great job with its TTL ability. I have only tested it for a very short time but so far so good. I think the output is less than the SB900, this Friday I will be testing it all more thoroughly at my friend’s studio.

    I also like the range of the FT-16 trigger set, I went to the basement and it worked on the second floor, very impressive.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      I think the V860N for Nikon from most reports still appear to have an underexposure of around -2 stops when bounced. You can see the comments here.

      Godox have been a bit slow with a firmware update to correct this, though they will likely provide one sooner or later now.

  10. Motti 3 years ago

    Elvis,

    Thank you for all your advice!

    Motti

  11. Motti 3 years ago

    Actually, when shooting with the Godox V860 on TTL directly at the subject, the photo was a bit underexposed (not by 2 stops. I don’t think). When directing the flash to the ceiling the picture was exposed pretty much as I would like it to be. I will have better results after Friday test.

  12. Josh 2 years ago

    Hi Flash Havoc,
    So i just received in the mail 2x 850v flashes.
    I didnt research enough before buying as i should have bought the 860v
    I never use ettl so i thought i wont need the 860…
    i use HSS all the time with my yongnuo triggers and 586 flashes which work great but wanted to go godox bc of the rechargeable batteries.. my story is probably not new to you.
    when i saw there was one pin at the mount i knew i was in trouble and cant return as was bought on ebay from hong kong…
    At any rate from what i understand from your great site is that in order to make hss work for 2 separate 850’s using my 622c-tx trigger to only 1 622c transceiver which needs the ft-16 sitting on it (which i will need to buy) and as long as the 2 flashes have the godox receivers it will fire them, right?
    also how then do i control output? via the 622c-tx or do i have to go to the godox trigger?
    any help would be appreciated!
    Thanks
    Josh

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Josh,

      Thanks, yes that is correct, an FT-16 mounted on YN-622C receiver should do the trick.

      You will still need to adjust the power output through the Godox transmitter though, so a second transmitter to keep in your pocket may be handy.

      You can pick up the transmitter and receiver sets for $23 on Ebay, so it makes sense to grab a second TX anyway.

      I prefer the V850 to the V860 because of the sound beep when changing power levels, as you know then the power levels are being changed on the flash, and which one.

      The downside is that the HSS mode needs to be switched ON and OFF manually on the flash. You don’t want to leave it on if you’re not actually using it.

  13. Janaka Peiris 2 years ago

    This demonstrated the YN622 triggering setup you have described. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD_pbwF7fQs

  14. Renny 2 years ago

    Hi. I bin trying to sync hss with a neewertt850 via te ft16 on top of a yn 622c and on camera a yn 622c tx. And it works on my older 60d but not on my 70d. Any idea why that is ?

  15. Renny 2 years ago

    But with the 60d it onley works if the yn622c tx is set to ss mode

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Renny,

      That is interesting. Then maybe you do still need to attach the FT-16 transmitter to the YN-622C receiver via a hotshoe to PC sync cord.

  16. Greg 2 years ago

    I would like to be able to achieve HSS using a pocketwizard flex tt5 on a Canon 1DX with a FT 16 mounted on it to fire a Godox 360. Just wondering if anyone has been able to accomplish this using the godox receiver.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Greg,

      I’m not sure about the Canon 1DX in particular, though a number of people have used the TT1 or TT5 on camera with an FT-16 transmitter mounted on top successfully.

      There are always some varying reports with the PocketWizard system where some people can’t manage to get the HSS working too well, if at all. This may be just user error though, its hard to know.

      Hopefully a 1DX owner can help to confirm this for you though.

      • Rob 2 years ago

        I found settings for the Pocketwizard MiniTT1 here: http://torontoweddingphotographer.momentotenuto.ca/witstro-ad-360-hss-setup-with-pocketwizard-flextt5/

        I managed to get very clean results at 1/2000 on a 5D III with 1/4000 and 1/8000 usable with small amounts of shutter creeping in as you go up to the max speed. I assume a 1DX will work as well, maybe even better.

        In case it isn’t clear from the link, I had the MiniTT1 on camera with the FT16 transmitter mounted on top. FT16 receiver on the Witstro 360.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 2 years ago

          Thanks for that Rob!

  17. Nicklas Hansson 2 years ago

    Hello fellow strobists!

    Just thought I’d chime in with some info on how my Cells II triggers work. For those that are interested in the supersync compatibility between the Cells II and the Godox EX600 portable strobe. I’m sorry to report that it doesn’t work very well. Even on full power the “flashpop” is too much out of sync with the shutter.. I was hoping that I wouldnt have to go for the yongnuo hss trigger system since I also bought the Godox Ving V850 to use with HSS. I might go for the Jinbei Discovery II DC600 and hope that it works better with that combination.

    Cheers guys and gals!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Nicklas,

      Thanks for the feedback. Keep in mind the Godox EX600 are voltage controlled flashes though, so full power is where the duration is shortest, and the least usable results. I mentioned and compared this in the Rovelight (Jinbei HD600 II) review here under under HSS.

      So the Godox EX600 are not really the best for Long Duration Sync, even with a transmitter unit with timing adjustment.

      You may want to look at the Rovelight (Jinbei HD600 II) though, as they have a HSS mode designed for this, and it works pretty well. Ironically this does transform the flash from IGBT to voltage control for the HSS mode, though the flash durations are obviously tailored better to suit the long duration sync in this mode.

  18. Jz 2 years ago

    Im glad I discovered this site.

    I have nikon with phottix odin and mitros + ,sb910 and recently got the bnh vb-22 (360) and two alien bee b800. I can use all of these with each other in studio via slave.

    For mobile I’ll use the Phottix odin tcu to trigger the Bolt via a phottix receiver and bolt transmitter (hoping bnh impact brand is same as ft-16) and nikon sb-910 for fill and mitros + as fill as well or hair light.

    I do have a yongnuo yn-568ex that i got as a third light only to find out afterwards that it’s not compatible with the odin system.

    I’m more excited about HSS using the bolt and speedlights. I could have gotten the adorama version.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Jz,

      Thanks, yes the Impact brand transmitters are the same as the Godox FT-16 (as are the lights).

      Just in case you may not know, you can also use the cheaper Strato II manual receivers with the Odin transmitter as well for firing the manual lights like the Alien Bees etc.

      • Jz 2 years ago

        I followed the recommendations here and I was able to trigger the Alien bees and bare bulb with the odin receivers. I already had the odin system but good to know on the strato ii.

        My next quesion if I have two barebulbs or even three barebulbs how can I remotely adjust each power and then trigger them all at once.

        I’ll probably consider the nikon cells instead if that is the best route and I end up getting rid of speedlights and alien bees for these barebulb beauties.

        • Keano 2 years ago

          Hi do the odin and triggers work with the 850 and 360?

  19. Paul H. 2 years ago

    The Cells-II for Nikon are finally available on ebay (Zeniko is the seller). $32 for one, $60 for two.

    • Jz 2 years ago

      silly question. Do they work with just the godox or with the bolt/streaklight too? another sillier question is ok to use a combo of a bolt and streaklight for a two light setup?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Thanks Paul, I just ordered one.

      Jz – yes as Paul mentioned already below, that are all basically the same and compatible, just re-branded.

  20. Paul H. 2 years ago

    Not a silly question if you don’t know and don’t want to blow money needlessly. The good news is that they work with Godox, Neewer, Cheetah, Bolt, Streaklight, etc. because they are all of a single system and just rebadged. All combinations work, as reported here and elsewhere.

  21. Jz 2 years ago

    fyi

    You can mix the flashpoint remotes with the bolt flash and bolt remotes with the flashpoint flash. However the trigger will only properly communicato the same brand receiver.

    Example. I had one flashpoint remote and the one flashpoint reciever on one flash and one bolt(interfit) receiver on anothet flash (tried diffrent combos) both lights flash together but you can only adjust settings remotely with the same brand receiver.

    My input : the Bolt is solid. The battery keeps dying after or with 3 led lights. I beleive its not fully depleted as charging takes less than hour.
    Streaklight is solid. There is something rattling inside the power pack.

    Otherwise the light is beautiful and making the alien bees jealous.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Jz,

      You probably want to start looking at exchanging the battery as soon as possible.

      Regarding the receivers, they should all be the same across brands. The one catch is that some have the group letters or number printed in different positions around the dial. Though if you set the dial in the same position for transmitter and receiver, regardless of the group letter, they should adjust the power levels fine.

      • Jz 2 years ago

        I tried different configurations and only the same receivers worked.

        The Bolt failed again and even the leds from beign low went to full power randomly. That unit has been exchanged for the streaklight. The bad streaklight battery pack has an rma.

        I have done some shoots already and photos have improved comparing the speedlights and alien bees.

        My next purchase will be a flash bracket for the non portrait sessions.
        I have ordered the nikon cells and umbrella beauty dish. Talk about portability.

  22. Timothy 2 years ago

    hello,

    so i now own the godox 360 , 180 , and the speed light with TTL and hss , i just received my cells II transmitter and was super pumped about getting HSS because i shoot a lot of dancers , but its doesn’t seem to work for my 360 and 180 with the Ft16 usb receiver, it works fine with the speed light but is there a setting I’m missing or will it not work with the 360 and 180 without additional receivers ?

    • Timothy 2 years ago

      apoligies , seems like its probably the bulb or something to that degree, my 360 bulb seemed to be firing kinda funky might need replacing.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Timothy,

      The Witstro should work with HSS with the Cells II and FTR-16 receivers. You need to turn the H-mode ON on the Witstro by holding the Mode and Set button together.

      You can also try leaving the H-mode OFF and setting the flash to full power, and see what the results are like there using the long flash duration instead.

  23. JL 2 years ago

    Will I be able to achieve HSS with no flashgun, just 3 godox 250sdi studio strobes, with 2x cells ii-c transceivers?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi JL,

      I’m not that familiar with the 250sdi flashes. It would depend on how long their flash durations are. If they are IGBT flashes then that would likely mean using full power where the duration is longest. And if they are voltage controlled you may need to use the lowest power levels.

      The Cells IIc triggers should work though. Connecting one as receiver to one flash, and using the optic slave for the other 2 flashes.

  24. Keano 2 years ago

    Hi Elvis,
    I didn’t understand thid regarding the odin you said ”

    You can then either carry the Odin / FT-16 around together, or mount them somewhere away from the camera, and simply use a second FT-16 transmitter in hand / pocket to change the Godox flash power levels.”

    So I can’t change the power of the Godox using the FT-16 on the Odin receiver I need a second one?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Sorry, not you don’t need to have a second FT-16 transmitter. Its just that the one attached to the Odin receiver is a little cumbersome to try and place in your pocket etc. And you don’t want to put it anywhere its going to block the signal.

      Theoretically if you can mount the FT-16 / Odin receiver combination half way between the camera and slave flashes that should provide the best range and reliability as well. (So it would be handy then to have a second FT-16 handy in your pocket etc).

  25. Keano 2 years ago

    I’m selling a brand new CellsII Nikon if anyone is interested btw.

    • Keano 2 years ago

      Works with Yongnou only

  26. nixland 2 years ago

    To trigger 2 or more V860c flash in hss mode, can I just put the Cells II on top of YN622C ? It’s more convenient than using FT16 with sync cable on YN622C 🙂

  27. James Hsuen 2 years ago

    I would like to purchase 2 Manual flashes to use for portraits and location photography. I have Nikon D3s , Canon 5d and also the Fuji XT1 and X100s cameras.
    Can you advise me what Godox or Neewer Flash models I should get for my 2 camera systems to work without TTL. What Transmitter and Receiver models should I be purchasing in combination with the Godox or Neewar Flashes.

    Your input will be greatly appreciated.

  28. nixland 2 years ago

    I just tried putting 622TX on 5Dii set in hss, put the ft16 on 622c, and put the ft16s on v860c, set to hss. The frame is all black neyond sync speed.
    It doesnt work. Is it due to firmware? Which firmware, v860c or 622tx ? Thx

    • nixland 2 years ago

      Ups, sorry …. this page is about V850 not V860 🙂

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Hi nixland,

        The V860 are the same as the V850 with regard to the H-mode HSS.

        EDIT – I just tried this again myself and it appears you do need to attach the FT-16 transmitter to the YN-622C receiver via a PC sync cord.

        This is strange as the YN-622C-TX was meant to allow the pre-sync signal through the YN-622C hotshoe, so I’m not sure now what the issue is, though using a PC sync cord between them is one solution

        The 5D II should show some results with standard timing, though you could set the YN-622C-TX to SS (SuperSync mode) and experiment with the timing to see if that will improve the results.

        • nixland 2 years ago

          Elv, the V860c put directly to 622c receiver – hss works OK. FT16 connect to 622c via sync cable – hss works OK too. But FT16 put directly to 622c receiver doesnt work at all.

          • Author
            Flash Havoc 2 years ago

            Sorry, you’re too fast with replies :-), I was just testing this again and edited my reply above.

            I can only get this to work using a sync cord between them now myself.

            Though I know when someone first mentioned the YN-622C-TX do not require a sync cord with the YN-622C receiver anymore, that I tested this to confirm they were right. So I’m not sure what the trick is now.

            For now it seems a sync cord is needed though.

            UPDATE – Ok, I see the YN-622C receiver is providing the pre-sync signal through its hotshoe when using the YN-622C-TX as transmitter.

            For some reason though this signal is only getting to a flash unit mounted on the YN-622 receiver hotshoe. When mounting the FT-16 transmitter instead, that is not getting the pre-sync signal for some reason. Or there is a significant delay somehow added.

            • nixland 2 years ago

              The interesting thing is that I just tried the FT16 mounted to YNE3RX directly and it works OK for HSS. Triggered with YNE3RT.

        • nixland 2 years ago

          Elv, the SS mode on 622TX works!!! No need for sync cable. And no banding at all

          • Author
            Flash Havoc 2 years ago

            Ok great thanks, that solves that mystery then! I’ll give it at try.

  29. Charlie Fara 2 years ago

    Hi Elvis,
    Just to make sure I got this right: to use the AD360 in HSS mode, I can use my Yongnuo YN622cTX trigger on my Canon 5D Mark lll hotshoe but it has to be connected to the Godox FT-16 trigger ( I have the model with the port built into the FT-16) with a sync cord? Do I have connect a Yongnuo Yn622c transceiver to the AD360 via sync cord as well for this to work?
    Also, tried to get HSS to with with the AD360 and a Yongnuo YN622c connected to the ft-16 with a sync cord, with the Yongnuo on the cameras hotshoe, but the camera sync speed wouldn’t move from 200.
    As always thanks for your help and patience.
    Charlie

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Charlie,

      There are 2 ways of going about this. You can either –

      – Attach a YN-622C as receiver to every flash unit (via PC sync cord), or…

      – Use only the Godox FTR-16/s receivers attached to the flashes, and double up on transmitter units.

      The second option mainly just saves having a number of extra YN-622C receivers if you have a number of flash units. And also avoids having any extra receivers attached to the flash.

      So if you’re happy to attach a YN-622C receiver to each flash (via PC sync cord) then you can just use either the YN-622C, or YN-622C-TX on the camera hotshoe. The FT-16 transmitter can then be in your pocket for remote power control (no need to connect it to anything).

      If you don’t want to attach a YN-622C receiver to each flash unit, then you need to incorporate the FT-16 transmitter into the YN-622 system.

      If using the regular YN-622C as transmitter, then you can attach the FT-16 transmitter directly to the YN-622C transmitter via sync cord.

      Or alternatively you can attach the FT-16 transmitter to a YN-622C receiver via sync cord. This allows the FT-16 transmitter to be away from the camera.

      If using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter though, you need to attach the FT-16 transmitter to a YN-622C receiver via sync cord, as the YN-622C-TX unfortunately does not have a PC sync port out (its sync-in only).

  30. Mauro Rodrigues 2 years ago

    Hello,
    I have a canon 70D
    I recently bought 4 Godox Gemini GT400 studio flashes.
    Then i bought 1 Godox FT16 trigger and 4 receivers, they work great controlling the flashes remotely, but sync speed is limited at 250.

    Will i have to buy also the Godox cells-ii C to have 8000 sync speed?

  31. David 2 years ago

    [ UPDATE – If using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter mounted on the camera, then the hotshoe on YN-622C receivers will actually provide the early fire signal, and the sync cord is not required ] –

    So I just received my YN-622C-TX mounted it on camera, and then placed the Godox 850 on the YN622C and the HSS did not work. I put an F16S controller on the YN622C and it did not work.

    Using a PC sync out of the YN622C did allow HSS to the flash, but I ordered the TX to avoid this.

    I’m using a Canon 6D I’ve enabled HSS on each device. I did laugh at the monstrosity of YN622C with a PC sync to hotshoe mounted on it, with an F16S controller on it…and marveled that after all these years (From Canon Optic, to PocketWizard, to FlashZebra corded, to Godox Radio) I’m back to relying on a PC cord. How did I get here again?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi David,

      Its a strange situation, though as just noted in the comments and my replies above, you can mount the YN-622C-TX to the camera hotshoe on its own. Then attach the FT-16 transmitter to a YN-622C receiver via PS sync cord (to hotshoe).

      I’m not sure why the YN-622C receiver hotshoe can get the pre-sync signal to a flash mounted on top, but not the FT-16 transmitter.

      I have updated this in the post though (which has always been a bit of a shambles due to the way this has all evolved, though Godox have new TTL triggers coming, so the options may all change again soon).

  32. Mauro Rodrigues 2 years ago

    but does they work with studio flashes? Studio flashes don’t have HSS or do they?
    One thing is flash sync (250) e other is flash duration (5000)
    There’s no trigger to take advantage of this speed?

    I get crazy confused when it comes to this… sorry!
    i just want to take studio photos at a fast speed…

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Mauro,

      Unlike the Godox Witstro and V850 / V860C, the Gemini GT400 flashes do not have any HSS (High Speed Sync) mode.

      So they were not really designed to do HSS. The GT400 look to be IGBT strobes though, so if you’re prepared to use full power on the flash all the time, then you can possibly achieve a form of HSS by using the strobes long flash duration, which acts much like a constant light source. You can read more about the 2 methods of HSS here.

      The Cells II transmitter would help you enable this, though results will depend on how long the strobes flash duration actually is at full power.

      Short flash durations are another thing, and this is more what your mains AC powered lights were designed for.

      Instead of using a fast shutter speed, you just shoot inside a room with low ambient light (or possibly outside at night), and let the strobes fast flash duration (at lower power settings) freeze the motion instead of the shutter speed.

      If the ambient light is low enough in the room etc, then it doesn’t matter how long you have the camera shutter open for (it could even be a few seconds) as the fast flash pulse is the only thing that is lighting the subject. And that can actually freeze motion much better than a fast shutter speed.

      So no HSS mode or special triggers are required there.

      HSS was designed for shooting mainly outdoors in bright ambient light, and therefore often requires portable strobes powered by batteries, or inverter packs etc for AC lights if there is no mains power close by.

  33. Alex 2 years ago

    Hey Guys i need your advise:

    I own a Conon 6d , a godox Wistro 360/ cheetah stand .. BArebulb flash also a 622c TX as well some normal y622

    and i am not able to get hss to work , i have black bars all day long

    my setup : 622c TX on Camera , 622 on the Hotshoe of the Barebulbflash , Flash in Hss mode

    i can set my shutter to 1/4000 no problem but its all black or a tiny white bar on the top

    i odered a pc sync cable i know it will work that way, but in the post above it states

    “UPDATE – If using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter mounted on the camera, then the hotshoe on YN-622C receivers will actually provide the early fire signal, and the sync cord is not required ”

    i can not confirm this, why am i having this issue

    be patient with my spelling im a German dude any advise is apreciated

    cheers

    • Apostolos 2 years ago

      @ Alex. I posted elsewhere on the blog that I had the same experience as you. With the 6D and the 5Dmk3 the combination of YN-622 and Wistro/Godox/Flashpoint Streaklight DOES NOT WORK in HSS WITHOUT the PC cable. I have the Adorama Flashpoint Streaklight version, two units, I tested both with both of my cameras, either with the 622-TX or the 622c on my cameras’ hotshoe and it NEVER achieved proper sync. Then I tried the PC cable and it worked. So, at this point, only if you have the YN-622 connected to the Godox 360 (etc) through the PC cable you’ll get proper sync. Elvis replied to me and said that the SuperSync feature might work also, but I haven’t tested that yet, so I don’t know.

  34. Alice2 2 years ago

    I have recently acquired Godox Witstro AD360 and FT16 to use with Olympus OM-D E-M5. All these instructions refer to Canon/Nikon. How do I shoot HSS with E-M5?
    TIA

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Alice,

      Unfortunately you can’t really at this stage, as there is no HSS enabled transmitter or TTL radio triggers available for Olympus.

      .

      It could be possible to construct a rather complex DIY soution if you were really keen, though that could take some trial and error and expense etc to nut out.

      You would need a HSS enabled flash mounted on the camera hotshoe. That flash would fire an optic slave attached to a manual radio trigger transmitter, to then fire a radio receiver attached to the AD360.

      So if you have the HSS flash, it may be worth trying a cheap optic slave attached to your FT-16 transmitter. You would have ts see how much of a clean frame you can achieve like that. Otherwise different triggers may give better or worse results depending on how fast they send the fire signal.

  35. Alice2 2 years ago

    Thank You for the answer. No, unfortunately Witstro is my only HSS capable flash and I’m rather p***ed off that the trigger thing does not allow me to shoot with EM5 and Witstro using faster shutter speed than 1/250. I’ve yet to try ND filters, but right now they seem to be the only way to shoot in sunlight.

  36. Nathan 2 years ago

    Great article! Is there any advantage to using a Yongnuo YN622C-TX instead of the Cells II?

    • Nathan 2 years ago

      I am planning on using with the flashes in full power in HSS to photograph skateboarding at mid day and fill in the shadows. Is there any reason I would want to use the YN622C instead of the Cells II?

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Hi Nathan,

        If you’re intending on using full power, then you may be better off leaving the H-mode off on the flash as that is limited to just 10 consecutive shots before you need to give the flash a rest.

        Leaving the H-mode off you are just relying on the long flash duration at full power. So in that case yes the YN-622C-TX can be an advantage, as they have a pre-sync timing adjustment allowing you to tune the best result for your camera and lights.

        Without any timing adjustment set the Cells II are generally a little ahead of the YN-622C / YN-622C-TX for the amount of light the capture in the frame. But with the adjustment you can sometime make bigger improvements still. It varies with camera model though and lights used.

        You can see an overview on the timing adjustment an Long Duration Sync in the Phottix ODS post here.

  37. Nathan 2 years ago

    Yes, I was planning on using in full power, not in H mode. Please correct me if I am wrong , am I right in assuming that the key to this method is the triggers in HSS mode send a earlier flash signal which allows the shutter at higher speeds to still catch the light with full coverage (no banding) at the higher power/longer flash duration?

    Also, I really like the ft16 receivers in the sense that they connect to the sub and don’t require extra batteries. Am I best to get an f16 transmitter with receivers along with a yn622c-tx and use it via the PC port to hot shoe method listed above? Or would it be more effective to use yn622 receivers and forget the Godox triggers?

    My main objective is to get the best and brightest lighting for full day sun scenarios at high sync speeds above 1/2000. If you could advise me that would save a lot of money doing the whole trial and error.

    Thanks for the help!

  38. Nathan 2 years ago

    Also want to mention I am using a canon 7d and plan to get v850s for now, and possibly add the ad360 in the future so looking for a flash trigger setup that will yield the best results for me long term.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Nathan,

      I was just going to say I would try and look at the Rovelight if you can, because they put out really decent light. The triggering situation is similar, though they don’t have their own HSS capable trigger just yet.

      With the Witstro or V850 though you need the FT-16 triggers if you want any remote power control, there are no other triggers that can provide that at this stage.

      The 7D certainly makes life easier with HSS and Long Duration Sync. In that case you probably won’t see big advantages over the Cells IIc by using a trigger like the YN-622C-TX with timing adjustment.

      So unless you’re not interested in the remote power control you will need the FT-16 triggers anyway, and you may as well just pick up a Cells IIc as well then. The YN-622C would not be doing much for you unless you want to combine, or use them with TTL flashes as well. Or you needed to really tweak the pre-sync timing for full frame cameras etc.

      Regarding long term, I think the FT-16 are going to be around for quite a while in any case, though Godox are about to slowly start moving to the new 2.4GHz TTL system.

      I don’t know definitely yet, though I would assume that will include 2.4GHz clip on receivers in place of the FTR-16s at some point as well. This could all be 6 or 12 months away, I really don’t know. Though I wouldn’t hold out waiting unless your really not in any hurry at all. Obviously the TTL system for speedlite or Witstro will cost more as well.

  39. Mark 2 years ago

    Hi

    I’m using a nikon D700 camera SB700,SB800 flash triggered by YN622-TX and YN622Ns
    Can you tell me why when I use the above triggers it adds a slight red colour cast to my pictures and shows up on my camera monitor as CMD?
    Command is off, reset camera, reset flashes, triggers, firmware update for tx
    Used YN 603Ns with no problem etc. This is exactly the same on my Nikon D300. Your help would be appreciated

    Regards

    Mark

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Mark,

      You wouldn’t be using HSS with the YN-622N’s by any chance? As HSS does produce a warmer tone.

      Sorry I’m not familiar with the CMD indicator, that may be normal behavior, I’m not really sure, as I’m not that experienced with Nikon.

  40. Mark 2 years ago

    Hi again

    Just to mention that this post is relevant to this topic, as I have ordered a pair of Godox ad360s so wanted to use yongnuos with F16s etc.

    Mark

  41. Nathan 2 years ago

    Hi,

    I have successfully been using the yn622c method above for HSS by connecting the pc port. I am having a problem though getting HSS to work with a YN622c-tx. Whenever I connect the tx version to my canon 7d hotshot instead of the regular 622c I can go above 1/250. I know it is my camera that is limiting the HSS because it won’t even let me access the external flash menu when connected.

    Can you please comment on this?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Nathan,

      If you can’t access the cameras external flash control menu there must be some issue with the YN-622C-TX’s connection with the camera.

      Are you sure you have the YN-622C-TX seated all the way in the cameras hotshoe? Its surprisingly easy to miss that.

      Otherwise try doing a factory reset on the transmitter, and make sure you have fresh alkaline batteries.

  42. Nathan 2 years ago

    I am pretty certain it was seated correctly, but I will try again and double check that. With the yn622c I don’t even have to go into the external flash menu on the camera, I just set my ahutter speed to a high value and take the photo. With the Tx hooked up I try the same thing but the camera switches my shutter to 250 before taking the photo. i will try the factory reset for sure. Is there any settings in the camera or trigger that I should look for that could be causing the problem?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      You need to have HSS Mode enabled on the transmitter, otherwise the camera will revert to 1/1250th when taking the shot.

      You can do that through the camera menu as well, though obviously only if you can access the menu.

  43. Nathan 2 years ago

    So I did the factory reset and now I am able to successfully access my external flash menu on the camera and set to HSS mode. Now I am finding that I am not getting the early flash signal. I tried with my flash set to full power and connected to the hot shoe of the yn622c and am having banding to indicate it is getting the regular flash signal rather that the early one I need for the high sync speeds. I also tried connecting another flash to the yn622c via the PC port and same thing is happening. It works flawless when I have the YN622c on the camera but as soon as I switch the the TX on my camera I am not getting the early flash. Any experience with this problem? I have the TX set to HSS and it is on SS mode for the applicable group. Thanks!

  44. Tom 2 years ago

    Can anyone tell me if the Godox Cells IIc will work with the Canon 6D?

  45. Fahlesa 2 years ago

    Hi,

    Can you please let me know whether the FT-16 transmitter can be used to trigger Godox
    studio strobes such as QT series and speedlite Ving series at the same time?
    I am planning to buy this transmitter to trigger my QT-400 and V860N, but I am confused
    about the main difference between FT-16 and FT-16s. Thanks.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Fahlesa,

      Yes the FT-16 transmitter can trigger any of the flashes using the FTR-16 and FTR-16s receivers.

      The FTR-16s receivers are just an updated version which clip to the side of the Ving flashes more securely than the standard USB connection used with the FTR-16 receivers.

      The one catch when using both Godox studio strobes and Ving / Witstro / Xexpert, is that the studio strobes use a different power scale. The FT-16 transmitter can control both power modes (hold the set button for a few seconds to change power scales) but only one scale at a time.

      So the main solution to control the remote manual power levels of both strobes is to have two FT-16 transmitters, one set to each scale. One of them mountned on the camera to fire all the strobes. And the second in hand / pocket to control the second set of strobes / power scale.

  46. Alice2 2 years ago

    http://www.mu-43.com/threads/51220/
    I am able to use Godox Witstro 360 in HSS mode with E-M5 until 1/4000 if following the instructions found on the site mentioned above. Had to buy a used FL-36 to make this happen, but otherwise, the normal FT-16 transmitter/trigger combo is used.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Wow, that is interesting!, thanks Alice2.

    • sfkHooper 2 years ago

      I have an Olympus OMD EM5 Mk2 that I use with a couple of Godox tt660II LCD speedlites. I trigger them with generic wireless TX/RX units which fail at about 1/200th second.

      I’ve been thinking about trying the Godox Cells II triggers. The speedlite manual says the Cells II trigger is required to get 1/8000th second sync, but I’m not sure if they will work with the OMD EM5. Does anyone know if it will work?

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 2 years ago

        Hi sfkHooper,

        The Cells II will not work with the Olympus camera and high shutter speeds. Its likely they will not fire when mounted on the Olympus at all. They are dedicated Canon and Nikon versions, and need to be used with corresponding Canon and Nikon DSLR’s.

        Alice2’s trick above should likely work with your Godox flashes as well, but you would need the genuine Olympus TTL and HSS enabled flash to get the camera set into the HSS mode first.

  47. Yasin Emir Akbaş 2 years ago

    Hi, I just got godox v850, ft-16 transmiter and yn622c. But I couldnt use hss. Do I need to have PC sync cord?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Yasin Emir Akbaş,

      Yes you will need a PC sync cord. Unless using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter, and YN-622C attached to the V850 flash foot as receiver.

      If you only have one YN-622C unit, to be used as transmitter on the camera, then you will need a PC sync cord with a hotshoe on the end to attach the FT-16 transmitter, as described in the post (with FTR-16s receiver attached to the side of the flash).

  48. Chan 2 years ago

    Regarding Sony HSS, I tested with my Phottix Odin on A6000, A7r and A99 with the method listed above that receiver connects to the Godox pc port with a sync cable.

    Again I tested all 3 cameras:

    A6000 worked
    A99 worked
    A7r didn’t worked (too bad)
    But A7, A7s and A7mk2 worked.

    let me know if you have any questions.

    • Mika 1 year ago

      Chan,
      Can you be a bit more specific to which method you are referring to?
      I have Sony A7RII and Godox Witstro AD360 and I would like to get HSS to work with this combination.

  49. Neil 2 years ago

    Hi FH
    An update on the Cells IIC.

    Tested this with the new EOS M3 FW v1.01 and the trigger is not detected, the same symptom as for the 1D MK III.

    The FT16 works fine of course but no > x-sync support

  50. David 2 years ago

    Hi,
    I’m trying to get high speed sync to work with a Canon camera (I have several different models), and an AD360. I have a Yongnuo YN-622C-TX transmitter and a Yongnuo YN-622C receiver. Do I need the Godox FT-16 in addition to this?
    I’ve put the YN-622C-TX on the camera and the AD360 on the YN-622C recevier. Enables HSS on both the transmitter and AD360, but it wont work. Sorry if this should be obvious by now, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

    • Neil 2 years ago

      David – The FT-16 will only be required for Power control of the AD360.
      How is the AD360 connected to the YB622C via cable or direct hotshoe?
      Does the strobe fire at X-Sync or less shutter speeds?

    • rudy 2 years ago

      David, i used the same setup as you and hss would not work so i used a male to male pc sync cord and connected it to the side of the flash and to the side of the yn622 that the flash is sitting on and that is working. All the other methods stated here did not work for me. Used it on a 50d and 1dmk4.

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