GODOX – V860C VING ETTL Flash – Full Review

Following on from the success of the worlds first Lithium-Ion powered speedlight, in the V850 Ving, Godox are leading the way again with the new ETTL version V860C.

The V850 are brilliant inexpensive remote manual flashes, though for around just $50 more, Godox are really taking value for money to another level again with the full TTL version V860C.

 Godox V860C

 

To completely understand the V860C, it would really help to familiarise yourself with the original V850 here first. Because the V860C are almost 2 flash systems in one –

- A regular higher end TTL flash – along the lines of the Canon 580EX II, with HSS (High Speed Sync), Full Power (GN 58), Canon Optic Wirless Master and Slave mode (NOT radio master though).

- And a separate Remote Manual radio flash system – carried over from (and compatible with) the V850.

This remote manual radio system uses a separate inexpensive FT-16 radio transmitter, and compact FT-16s radio receiver unit, which clip neatly to the side of the flash and do not require any batteries.

 

Godox V850 and V860C with FT-16s Receivers

 

The FT-16 transmitter are also the same as used with the already very popular Godox Witstro.

So when using Godox’s remote manual radio system, the V860C integrate nicely with the V850, and the larger bare bulb lights. All using the same simple remote power control system.

 

Godox AD360 and V850

 

A form of HSS (High Speed Sync) is also available with this remote manual radio system and the V850 / V860V / Witstro, when using an appropriate transmitter unit like the godox Cells II, or other TTL enabled radio transmitter units.

Radio Receiver – No Built-In Radio Transmitter

Please Note - The Godox FT-16 and FTR-16s remote radio system are not TTL capable. And the V860C flash unit does not have any form of radio transmitter built-in.

For TTL use with the V860C off-camera, separate TTL enabled radio triggers from other manufacturers would need to be used at this stage.

Otherwise the Canon optic wireless system can also be used with TTL off-camera. (The optic wireless is more limited towards line of sight, and indoors or avoiding bright light).

So the V860C are more like a Canon 580EX II (but with a bonus clip on remote manual radio system), than Canon 600EX-RT which have full TTL radio transceivers built in.

 

Lithium-Ion Battery

 

Like the V850, hidden inside the V860C is where the most ground breaking feature lies. The compact VB18 Lithium-Ion battery is mounted neatly inside the V860C, and provides a massive 650 full power pops.

And with full power recycle time of just 1.5 seconds.

 

Godox V850

 

The compact 11.1V 2000mAh Lithium-Ion battery literally replaces 12 AA batteries, and all the hassle of battery management that goes with them.

That’s effectively an external battery pack built directly into the flash, without all the extra size, weight, and inconvenience of an extra pack.

 

Godox VB18

 

Godox V860C Features

 

  • Full Power – GN 58 (m ISO 100)
  • Lithium-Ion Battery – 650 Full Power Pops!
  • 1.5 Second Recycle at Full Power

 

  • HSS to 1/8000th
  • ETTL II  TTL auto exposure for Canon EOS DSLRs
  • Master and Slave Modes for Canon Optic Wireless system
  • Manual, Multi, S1 & S2 Optic Slave Modes
  • Full Control Through the Canon Camera Menus
  • 24-105mm Auto and Manual Flash Zoom
  • AF Assist Light

 

  • High Build Quality
  • USB Port for Firmware Updates
  • Full 360 Degree Swivel and Tilt Head
  • Fast Clear & Simple Interface
  • Large Clear LCD Screen
  • 2.5mm Sync Port
  • Metal Foot with Locking Pin
  • Kit Comes with Battery and Charger
  • 12 Volt Car Charger Available
  • Inexpensive (around $180) – Excellent Bang for Buck!

 

  • Remote Manual Radio System with HSS to 1/8000th
  • 100M + Range & Very Reliable
  • Fast Simple Remote Manual Power Control
  • 1/3rd Stop Power Adjustments (1/128 – 1/1)
  • Manual, Multi, S1 & S2 Optic Slave Modes
  • Plug In Receiver can be Updated
  • Remote also Compatible with V850 & Witstro

 

Limitations

  • Optic Wireless Master Mode does not have ETTL Ratios
  • (Note – ETTL ratios can still be created by setting FEC directly on slave flashes)
  • No Radio Transmitter Built-In, or way to fire V850 & Witstro via radio.
  • Currently No External Battery Pack Option.

 

Functions Missing From the V850

  • Sound Prompt (the V850 sound beep actually helps a lot when using the FT-16 radio remote).
  • The V860C LCD is not quite as clear and fast for manual power setting and optic slave selection etc.

 

Other Updates from the V850

  • 30 consecutive full power pops (up from 20) before overheat protection cuts in.

 

Overview

 

The V850 released late last year where really a very impressive (and inexpensive) remote manual flash. And the Lithium-Ion battery was a game changer, particularly for people using a number of speedlites off camera.

The huge capacity of the Lithium-Ion battery means you simply don’t have to worry about batteries anymore, and the time consuming battery management that goes with them. Which really can get pretty ridiculous if using a number of speedlites and AA battery packs.

The other impressive qualities of the V850 were the high build quality for the low price of just $120, and also the power which is really very close to a Canon 600EX-RT. And of course the V850 where the first (and surprisingly still currently the only) remote manual radio flash available.

The V860C build on the solid base of the V850 by adding full TTL function. And for around just $50 extra that puts the V860C pretty well out front as the best value for money TTL flash in this class.

And as a bonus the V860C can act as a complete substitute for the V850, or nicely integrate off camera with the V850, and even the Godox Witstro flashes.

The V860C were not designed to be all things to all people though, as they do not have any radio transmitter system built-in at this stage (like the latest Canon 600EX-RT for example). This means to use ETTL off camera via radio, other manufacturers external TTL radio triggers are required.

And also to fire V850 / V860C / Witstro, off-camera, with a V860C flash mounted on the camera hotshoe, again combinations of other manufacturers radio triggers may be required to enable this (particularly if you are interested in HSS off camera).

For what the V860C were created for though (an alternative to flashes like the Canon 580EX II, and YongNuo YN-568EX II etc), the V860C are another standout in their class.

 

V860C Kit

 

Like the V850, the V860C are available as a kit, with Lithium-Ion battery and charge included.

And again this just highlights the value in this flash, because for the same price of comparable flashes like the YN-568EX II etc, you also get a battery equivalent to 12 AA rechargeable batteries ($30+), and a charger that will charge all that in one go.

A good 8 Cell AA charger costs $70+. That’s $100 there already, and not to mention the cost of an external AA battery back to put all the batteries in.

 

Godox V850 Kit

 

Interface

 

Godox received a lot of praise for the super clear and simple user interface of the Witstro, so they clearly tried to bring as much of that goodness to the V850 as well.

The V860C being a full ETTL flash need to fit a lot more information on the LCD screen, and functions to the buttons. Though Godox have once again managed to keep the V860C’s interface as simple and intuitive as possible.

The V860C LCD screen has a more subdued tone and brightness though. Although I really like the original V850 screen, I can only assume this has been implemented intentionally, possibly so that you don’t have the brighter light in your face when working with the flash on-camera in dark environments.

 

Godox V860C and V850

 

The V860C is certainly still a nice looking flash and interface on the camera though –

 

Godox V860C

 

The V860C buttons are large and all have their own functions clearly marked.

I didn’t originally receive any user manual with the V860C samples, so I really had no choice but try and work through all the functions via trial and error.

And apart from a few settings in the optic wireless master and slave function, which took a little more trial, everything was very obvious and straight forward. Which is impressive for a fully enabled TTL flash, and ahead of many of the alternatives (well ahead of some).

The LCD interface is clean and simple, though there is no distance scale when using manual power settings.

The test fire button is large and easy to press, and there is a quick and simple ON – OFF switch.

 

Godox V850

 

Mode

The first button is simply the Mode button only. Pressing this scrolls through ETTL,  M (Manual), and Multi (or stroboscopic mode).

Unlike the V850, the optic slave modes are now moved to the second button, which makes selecting S1 and S2 a little less convenient for off camera use. Though that is not a big issue.

 

Godox V860C Mode

 

Zoom / Master – Slave

The second button adjusts flash head Zoom on short press, and Master Slave Functions when held down for 2 seconds.

Zoom - goes from Auto, then Manual 24 to 105mm. And the selection stops at either end, instead of cycling back to the start again.

When Auto Zoom is enabled the V860C flash zoom head will follow the lense zoom, even with the flash head in the bounce position. Where the Canon flashes revert straight to 50mm when in the bounce position (and set to auto zoom).

 

Master – Slave - button scrolls though the Canon Optic Wireless Master and Slave modes, as well as the basic S1 and S2 optic slave modes.

S1 is a regular optic slave, which fires the flash from the light of any other flash. And S2 ignores pre-flashes, so a TTL flash can be used to optically trigger the V860C in sync as well. (S1 and S2 can only work with manual power settings).

There is more on the Optic Wireless Master and Slave mode further below.

 

Godox V860C Master Slave

 

HSS / SCS

The third button simply scrolls between regular first curtain sync, HSS (High Speed Sync), and SCS (Second Curtain Sync).

HSS also enables H-mode, which is the HSS function available when using the remote manual FT-16s radio receiver (which clips to the side of the flash).

 

Godox V860C HSS

 

Lamp / Custom Functions

Lamp - The lamp button obviously turns the LCD backlight on. Though like the V850 one slightly frustrating thing is that is goes out after just 10 seconds each time. And there is no way to keep it illuminated.

And even pressing any of the buttons to make an adjustment does not automatically turn the light on, you have to remember to press the light button first each time. This is one thing that could easily be improved on both the V850 and V860C.

 

Custom Functions - Of the 13 External Flash Custom Functions accessible through the Canon Flash Control Menu, only 4 have been enabled on the V860C.

  • 01 – Auto Power Off
  • 03 – FEB Auto Off
  • 04 – FEB Sequence
  • 10- Slave Auto Power Off Timer

Though I’m not sure the lack of any of the others are really going to be missed by most users.

The Functions are only displayed as numbers on the flash –

 

Godox V860C Custom Function

 

Though like most of the flash functions, the Custom Functions can be accessed through cameras enabled with a flash control menu (where the functions full descriptions are displayed).

 

Godox V860C and Custom Function Menu

 

FEC (Flash Exposure Compensation)

FEC can be set directly on the flash with +3 or -3 stops of adjustment. Or via the cameras FEC adjustment.

You can’t use both at the same time though, as making an FEC setting on the flash overrides the cameras FEC setting.

And FEC settings made through the camera are not displayed as numbers on the flashes LCD (as they are when set directly on the flash), only the FEC symbol appears.

 

No Sound Prompt

Unlike the V850 (and most other flashes available now) there is no sound prompt (or beep) enabled on the V860C.

On most flashes this sound prompt allows you to hear when the flash has recycled, or even when there was not enough power available to make a correct ETTL exposure.

But the sound prompt on the flash is particularly useful when using the Godox FT-16 radio transmitter, when setting remote manual power levels on the flash off camera. As this beep allows you to know power level setting have actually been made on the slave flashes.

This is another small reason why the V850 are actually a little better suited to the remote manual off camera use than the V860C.

 

Manual Power Setting

Manual Power Levels are set on the flash via the scrolling wheel, in 1/3rd stops, from 1/128 to 1/1.

This is very fast, as turning the wheel instantly starts changing the power levels, no need to press the SET button first, or after changing levels. Again the settings stop at either end, instead of cycling back to the beginning.

 

Battery Level Indicator

With such large battery capacity, a battery level indicator is almost mandatory, otherwise you could be often recharging the battery unnecessarily.

The only small criticism here is that 4 bars would be give more of an indication than just 3 bars provided on the LCD screen indicator. 2 bars left showing could mean there are as many as 400 shots left, or possibly closer to just 200.

The battery charger does have 4 bars though, so the battery can be placed in that quickly to get a better indication if needed.

 

Optic Wireless Master and Slave Function

 

Like the Canon 580EX II and other high end ETTL flashes, the V860C has an Optic Wireless Master and Slave Mode compatible with Canon’s Optic Wireless system

The Master function allows other compatible flashes to be controlled off camera as slave units, with full TTL and HSS etc available. While the Slave mode can even by controlled by the built in Master function found in recent Canon DSLR’s (using the pop up flash as the transmitter unit).

The optic wireless system is more limited than radio based systems though. More towards line of sight, and indoors or avoiding bright light. (And HSS is not available when the in camera (pop up flash) master function is used).

 

No ETTL Ratios in Master Mode

One unusual omission to the V860C’s Master function is that ETTL ratios can not be selected. So you effectively have a constant A:B:C ratio.

 

Godox V860C Master

 

I found that you can still however set different FEC directly on each slave flash, which then still allows an ETTL ratio of sorts to be created. Its just that you can not adjust that ratio quickly from the camera.

In Manual (or Multi) Modes you can select A, B, and C separately, and adjust separate power levels in each group, from the V860C’s master interface, or the camera flash control menu.

 

Godox V860C Master Manual

 

This lack of ETTL ratios is only for the Optic Wireless Master mode though. This has no effect when using external TTL radio triggers. And I get the impression Godox are aware that radio triggers like the YN-622C, and Optic Master function already built into cameras, have left the Master function on the flash as less of a priority now anyway.

The V860C Optic Master interface is very clear and simple to use though (unlike many similar TTL flashes).

 

HSS and H-Mode

 

The V860C are unique in that they basically have 2 methods of HSS (High Speed Sync) available. Allowing camera shutter speeds up to 1/8000th.

Regular HSS is used on camera, just like a Canon or Nikon Speedlite provides. As well as off-camera when using external TTL triggers, or the Canon Optic Wireless system.

H-Mode is only used off-camera, and with the Godox FT-16s remote manual radio system.

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Regular FP HSS

The V860C allow FP HSS on and off camera, similar to the HSS Canon or Nikon Speedlites provide. The flash pulses many times, basically acting as continuous light source for the time it takes the small slit between camera shutter curtains to move across the camera sensor.

The regular HSS mode allows HSS when the V860C is mounted on the camera hotshoe. Or off-camera when mounted on external TTL radio triggers like the YN-622C, or when using the Canon Optic Wireless System.

The regular HSS mode will turn HSS On and Off automatically when the camera shutter speed drops below the cameras X-Sync speed. And it can also be turned on and off remotely from the camera when using external TTL radio triggers.

So the regular HSS mode is the most convenient, though the H-mode detailed bellow generally provide up to around 1 stop more light (which can be quite decent advantage).

Regular HSS is communicated to the flash through the full TTL contacts on the flash foot, or through the Canon Optic Wireless system.

 

H-mode HSS

H-mode HSS is only available when using the V860C off-camera, and as far as I understand only when the FT-16s radio receiver is clipped to the side of the flash.

H-mode is carried over from the V850, allowing HSS off camera with FT-16s receiver and suitable transmitter units like the Godox Cells II.

It’s great the Godox have now included H-mode in the V860C, as it means the V860C can function just like the V850 and Godox Witstro, and they can all be use together off-camera with the same remote manual and HSS enabled radio system.

H-mode must be used carefully though, as it pulses the flash any time it’s switched on, regardless of the cameras shutter speed. So this can put a lot of stress on the flash tube if used continually or unnecessarily.

H-mode can only be switched On and Off directly on the flash at this stage (which is away from the camera), so it’s not the most convenient method. As the current FT-16 transmitter has no way to switch H-mode On or Off remotely.

An advantage to H-mode though is that its generally provides up to around 1 stop more light compared to the regular HSS mode detailed above.

H-mode is communicated to the flash through a simple fire signal. This fire signal must be early though, before the camera shutter starts to open at all. And both H-mode (and regular HSS) actually require this same early fire signal to function.

For H-mode its up to the transmitter to provide the early fire signal. So the transmitter used must still communicate with the camera through the full TTL contacts, to be able to detect the early fire signal needed.

H-mode can also be used with the V860C using a Nikon Camera, provided a Nikon compatible transmitter unit is used.

 

The HSS results below show a direct comparison between H-mode and the regular FP HSS .

The H-mode results shown in the top row are from the V850, though the V860C are the same in H-mode.

The bottom row is the Canon 600EX-RT, though the V860C in regular HSS mode is also very similar to this.

Godox V850 HSS

These results above are with a Canon 50D crop sensor camera, and Godox Cells II transmitter. Results with full frame and other cameras may vary.

 

Selecting HSS and H-mode

Selecting regular HSS or H-mode on the flash is the same process. As far as I understand the difference is that H-mode would be enabled if the FT-16s radio receiver is also clipped to the side of the flash. (At the time of writing this I’m waiting on the final version V860C to confirm this).

 

Godox V860C HSS

 

When used off-camera, H-Mode and regular HSS can be used on different flashes together at the same time, just depending on the method used to trigger the flashes in HSS.

There is more detail on radio triggering methods further below.

 

Full ETTL Contact Foot

 

Unlike the V850 foot, the V860C now being a full enabled TTL flash, have the full ETTL contacts on the flashes foot.

 

Godox V860 Flash Foot Contacts

 

The V860C contact pins do have a round base though, and Canon (and even YongNuo flashes) have now moved to pins which end in a very small pointed tip. This is to stop dust (or even oil) on the camera hotshoe contacts from blocking the connection from pin to contact.

So it may be important to keep any camera hotshoe, or TTL radio trigger hotshoes, clean. It’s not a big issue, but something to be aware of.

The V850 and V860C also have a safety locking pin in the foot.

 

AF Assist Light

 

The V860C AF assist light now comes on automatically, as you would expect with a TTL flash (having full TTL contacts on the flash foot, as detailed above) .

The AF light itself is the same laser style light pattern as the V850 uses, which is also much like the YongNuo YN-568EX etc.

These work quite well with the center focus point at least, provided you are at least about 0.8M from the subject.

They are not as good as the Canon and Nikon units, which have 2 AF lamps projecting long horizontal and vertical lines covering all AF points, though still generally decent for center focus point use.

 

Godox V850 AF Assist Light

 

The AF light is likely the biggest differentiating feature between the less expensive flash options, and the Canon and Nikon etc flashes. This is simply because most Chinese manufactures do not have access to the components required for the more sophisticated AF lights at this point.

 

Flash Power

 

Like the V850, the V860C state a guide number of GN 58m (ISO 100, 105mm zoom). And comparing directly with the Canon 600EX-RT they are really quite close.

Which is impressive because most flashes like YongNuo are generally really around 2 to 3 tenths bellow the Canon flash.

Speedlites have varying light patterns, and some have more of a hot spot in the center (which helps to boost the guide number). So I compare them direct, through a shoot through umbrella, and bounced of the ceiling at the same settings.

Direct – Almost Equal
Shoot Thru – Equal
Bounced – 1 to 2 tenths less than the 600EX-RT

 

Flash Duration

 

I do not have the equipment needed to measure flash durations, though its fairly normal for speedlites to have T.1 duration longer than 1/250th of a second at full power, and this can be seen by comparing images at 1/1250th x-sync, and then longer shutter speeds. Because the flash duration is longer than 1/250th the shutter needs to be left open longer as well to allow the flash time to get all of its light out.

The results below are only light from the flash in the image, no ambient light. And the V860C’s duration looks to be very similar to the Canon 600EX-RT at full power. From around 1/160th you loose about 3/10 of a stop of light moving to 1/250th (which is quite normal). (V850 table shown below, as these are the same results as the V860C).

 

Godox V850 Flash Duration

Color & Consistency

 

The V860 are also fairly close to the Canon 600EX-RT in light color. While the YongNuo flashes for example are quite different in comparison.

And there is also very little color change at different power levels. Well within the stated 200 degrees variation across the power range. Speedlites, being relatively low power, generally do not suffer from color shift issues at different power levels though anyway.

 

Light Pattern

 

The overall the light patterns protected by the V860C at various zoom lengths are not quite as even as the Canon flashes for example. Though after testing this in more detail, the light is pretty even a cross the frame whenever the flash zoom is set to match the camera lense zoom. So this is really a non-issue even with direct on-camera use.

You can see an example image here compared with the Canon 600EX-RT at 50mm. With the lense zoom set to 50mm as well the evenness is fine. Even the 600EX-RT has some unattractive patterns at longer zoom lengths if viewed at a wider angle than the flash zoom is set to.

Godox have however updated the 14m flip down wide angle diffuser to provide a more even wide angle pattern.

 

Recycle Time

 

Although the V860C′s 1.5 second recycle time is fast compared to a Canon 600EX-RT for example (without an external battery pack), its also still at least twice as long as the 600EX-RT connected to Godox’s own PB960 battery pack.

So although the V860C’s Lithium-Ion battery is very good, it still can’t produce the super fast frame per second bursts some wedding photographers etc may need at times. As mentioned further below though, there are extra unused electrical contacts in the V850 / V860C battery compartment. So a faster high voltage option of some form may be yet to come from Godox.

At Full Power recycle at 1.5 second is very good, but not super fast –

 

Godox V860C Recycle

 

Though ideally with speedlites (in terms of manual power levels) its best to be using them at 1/2 power or less if possible anyway, so that they are not going to overheat too quickly.

And at 1/2 power, recycle time is around 0.5 seconds. Which in practical terms is almost instant.

 

Godox V860C Recycle

 

And this is where the V850 and V860C are brilliant. Because you can shoot like this for over 1200 shots, with virtually instant recycle time (provided you break for at least 30 seconds once within every 60 shots avoiding the heat protection). And all without the hassle of any external battery pack.

Using the V850 (or even the V860C) off camera, recycle time is often much less of an issue. Because you can often just as easily add a second flash instead of an external battery pack.

This not only halves the recycle time, but allows more than double the number of consecutive flashes before heat protections slows that flash. And heat protection is really the main limiting factor with speedlites now. You can only have one flash mounted on-camera though.

 

Overheat Protection

 

Recycle times are one thing, but the main limiting factor with speedlites is really overheating.

The V860C will enter overheat protection mode and slow recycle down to around 15 seconds after –

30 shots at 1/1 power
40 shots at 1/2 + 0.7
50 shots at 1/2 + 0.3
60 shots at 1/2

This is an upgrade over the V850 which are currently limited to 20 shots at full power.

And as long as you pause for at least 30 seconds within those periods the flash won’t actually go into overheat protection mode at all. And knowing that, its best to try and stay out of heat protection mode altogether.

With HSS enabled overheat protection will now come in after –

15 shots at 1/1 power
20 shots at 1/2
30 shots at 1/4
40 shots at 1/16
50 shots at 1/64

One thing I learnt after some pretty harsh testing with the V850, is that the Lithium-Ion battery does not get hot like the NiHM AA batteries do (as it would likely be dangerous if they did). With exactly the same number of shots in (pretty extreme) testing, the NiHM batteries were so scorching hot I could not even touch them, while theV850’s Lithuim-Ion battery was just a little bit warm at most.

So the Lithium-Ion battery is also saving a large amount of heat stress on the flash, and the cooler the flash body is, the faster the heat is going to dissipate from the flash tube as well.

 

Lithium-Ion Battery

 

The compact VB18 11.1V 2000mAh Lithium-Ion battery literally replaces 12 AA batteries.

Provided I counted correctly, I was able to get 645 full power pops from the one battery. And the recycle did not start to slow right down until the last 5 pops. That’s compared to around 210 pops which a set of 4 AA Eneloops would generally provide.

So the Lithium-Ion VB-18 really does replace 12 AA NiHM batteries. And the hassle of charging and managing them all.

And that’s just for one flash and AA pack. With a number of flashes the V850 / V860C really save a lot of time and hassle with battery management, and extra gear to organise and carry.

 

Godox V850 VB18 Battery

 

The supplied battery charger fully recharges the VB18 battery in around 2.5 hours, and again its well made.

Both the battery and charges are also shaped nicely so that a number of them can be stacked together in a compact package. And a 12 volt car charging adapter is also available as an option.

One thing that would be a nice option would be a multi dock charger, which could possibly charge up to 4 batteries at once. That may not be that much smaller, but at least it would only need one power cord and power outlet then.

 

Godox 850 Charger

 

The VB18 slides into the V850’s battery compartment quickly and effortlessly, and clips in place behind a spring loaded lever, just like most DSLR battery compartments.

Unlike messing about messing about with AA batteries, if you do need to change the V850’s battery, you can do it quickly, and literally in the dark if needed.

And there is no spring pressure then on the actually battery door. Which negates the need for all the crazy engineering that has previously gone into trying to perfect a battery door the won’t eventually break.

 

Godox V850 Battery Compartment

 

Inside the V850 battery compartment there are actually two extra sets of smaller electrical contacts. Which are not being used at all with the current VB18 battery.

 

Godox V850 Battery Compartment

 

This suggests that at the very least that Godox have made plans for some other form or power supply in the future.

These could possibly be a direct path to the capacitor like a regular external High Voltage battery port provides. Meaning faster recycle times with a some form of high voltage battery, or battery pack, yet to come.

(That is just my speculation though, they could even be some form of communication port).

UPDATE – These may actually not be contacts at all, just cutouts in the flash case to allow the circuit board to fit in. As everything is packed very tightly inside the flash with the larger battery compartment now needed.

 

Ports and USB Port

 

Apart from the custom 4 pin FT-16s receiver port, the V860C only have the one simple 2.5 mm sync port, and now an additional Micro USB port (for all important future firmware updates).

This sync port appears to be covered by the rubber cover in most images when the FT-16s receiver is mounted, though its actually accessible with the receiver still in place if needed.

As much as I hate whine about a mini-phone port (as they are much better than regular PC sync ports), it is a little frustrating that Godox could not have kept with a 3.5mm port instead of 2.5mm, especially as the Witstro units and even the Cells II use 3.5mm ports. Again that’s not really a big issue though.

 

Godox V860C Ports

 

FT- 16 / FTR-16s Power Control and Triggering (and H-mode HSS)

 

The V860C also support the excellent Godox remote manual radio system carried over from (and compatible with) the V850.

This remote manual radio system uses a separate inexpensive FT-16 radio transmitter, and compact FTR-16s radio receiver unit, which clip neatly to the side of the flash and do not require any batteries.

 

Godox V850 and V860C with FT-16s Receivers

 

The FT-16 transmitter are also the same as used with the already very popular Godox Witstro, as well as many of Godox’s other larger studio lights.

So when using Godox’s remote manual radio system, the V860C integrate nicely with the V850, and the larger bare bulb lights. All using the same simple remote power control system.

 

Godox AD360 and V850

 

H-mode, a form of HSS (High Speed Sync), is also available with this remote manual system and the V850, V860V, and Witstro, when using an appropriate transmitter unit like the godox Cells II, or other TTL enabled radio transmitter units.

Please click below so see more detail on the FTR-16s remote manual radio system and H-mode HSS.

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FT-16 Transmitter and FTR-16s Receiver

The FT-16 transmitter provide very fast and simple remote manual power control. You simply press the + or – buttons to instantly bump the power levels up and down (in 1/3rd stops, from 1/128 to 1/1).

A sound prompt on the flash normally lets you know that the new power setting has been sent and adjusted successfully on the flash (which is great for when you can’t see the LCD screen), though the V860C unfortunately does not have any sound prompt like the V850 and Witstro have.

The transmitter dial with letters and numbers looks a bit confusing, but its really just a simple dial with 16 different groups. Match the transmitter and receiver group, and you can change the power level of that flash (or group of flashes). All groups will always fire unless you set the power level of a certain group down to OFF.

Sound Prompt and AF Focus Assist Light can also be turned On and Off remotely for each group.

 

Godox V850 & FT16

 

The FT-16 are currently 433MHz, though they are not like the cheap short range ebay triggers often associated with 433MHz. They never miss a beat, and have solid range which will easily reach 100 meters. In real use they have a decent range advantage over most higher priced TTL systems currently available.

And they have no pre-flash to cause issues with light meters etc. The fire signal is also separate from the power level control, so they are not trying to communicate a lot of information before every shot. Just a simple reliable fire signal.

The FT-16 transmitter has a single firing pin foot, so it will work on just about any camera’s regular hotshoe to fire the flashes. Or the transmitter can be held in hand like a TV remote to change power levels, and other radio triggers etc then used to actually fire the flashes.

 

FTR-16s Receiver

The FTR-16s receiver unit is an updated version of the original FTR-16 receiver used on the Witstro and many of Godox’s other studio lights.

The more compact FTR-16s is now connected to the flash via a specially designed 4 pin connection, rather than a standard USB port used previously with the Witstro etc. This new connection clips the receiver into place on the side of the flash, and also has much more robust electrical connections as well. The receiver has no batteries as its powered by the flash.

Even though there is still some gap between the receiver and flash body, the 4 contact pins are spring loaded with quite a lot of travel, so they will still make good contact even when the receiver is pushed in and out against the flash body.

 

Godox V850 & FT-16s Receiver

 

The advantage of separate plug in receivers (rather than built into the flash) is that they can be updated later, allowing the system to evolve without the flash itself becoming obsolete.

 

H-Mode HSS (High Speed Sync)

 

H-mode is the second method of HSS available with the V860C. Though H-mode is only available when the flash is used off camera. Like the FTR-16s remote manual radio trigger system, H-mode is carried over from the the V850 and Godox Witstro.

And it’s great the Godox have now included H-mode in the V860C as well, as it means the V860C can function just like the V850 and Godox Witstro, and they can all be use together off-camera with the same remote manual and HSS enabled radio system.

H-mode is similar to regular HSS used with TTL flashes on camera etc, as the flash still pulses many times, basically acting as continuous light source for the time it takes the small slit between camera shutter curtains to move across the camera sensor. The second requirement for H-mode to work is an early fire signal, which fires the flash just before the camera shutter starts to open.

H-mode must be used carefully though, as it pulses the flash any time it’s switched on, regardless of the cameras shutter speed. So this can put a lot of stress on the flash tube if used continually or unnecessarily.

H-mode can only be switched On and Off directly on the flash at this stage (which is away from the camera), so it’s not the most convenient method. As the current FT-16 transmitter has no way to switch H-mode On or Off remotely. (Godox have not said yet whether this would be possible to implement with a new transmitter unit or not).

An advantage to H-mode though is that its generally provides up to around 1 stop more light compared to the regular HSS mode.

H-mode can also be used with the V860C using a Nikon Camera, provided a Nikon compatible transmitter unit is used.

 

Selecting H-mode

Selecting regular HSS or H-mode on the flash is the same process. As far as I understand the difference is that H-mode would be enabled if the FTR-16s radio receiver is also clipped to the side of the flash. (At the time of writing this I’m waiting on the final version V860C to confirm this).

 

Godox V860C HSS

Transmitter for H-mode

To enable HSS a compatible transmitter unit is also required. This transmitter needs to communicate with the camera, detecting the early pre-sync firing signal required for HSS. So this transmitter must be dedicated to the camera, much like a compatible TTL flash unit would be.

Godox currently have the Cells II transceiver available for Canon, and a Nikon version should be coming soon.

The Cells II transmitter must be mounted DIRECTLY on the camera hotshoe. They won’t even fire on a short TTL cord connected to the camera hotshoe otherwise.

The FT-16 transmitter can then be held in hand (a bit like a TV remote) if you would like to change manual power level remotely on the flash.

 

Godox V850 and Cells II

 

This current system of 2 transmitter units is obviously not ideal, and its highly likely Godox will provide a new combined transmitter (likely towards the end of the year now).

 

Nikon and Other HSS Trigger Options

The Cells II are not the only HSS trigger option though, as most TTL radio triggers can also provide the early pre-sync signal required for HSS with the V850.

A few TTL triggers now even have a timing adjustment which can fine tune the timing, possibly allowing more light in the image.

For Nikon owners, currently the simplest option that appears to be providing good results for many people, is by simply stacking the Godox FT-16 transmitter on top of an inexpensive YN-622N transceiver, mounted on the camera hotshoe. No extra receivers (other than the FTR-16s) are required on the V850 / V860C flashes then.

 

This method doesn’t quite work so simply with the Canon version YN-622C though. As the YN-622C only provide the early fire signal required through their PC sync port (whether they are acting as transmitter or receiver).

 

Godox FT-16 and YN-622C

More detail on alternative triggering method with H-mode HSS can be seen in this post.

As most of these alternatives are using TTL radio transmitters anyway, they can also be combined with using the V860C as full TTL flashes off camera, with TTL radio receivers attached to the V860C foot.

 

TTL Radio Trigger Compatibility

 

As the V860C do not have any TTL capable radio transceivers built-in, and Godox do not yet have their own external TTL triggers available, the only current option is to use other third party TTL enabled radio triggers, if you would like full TTL function off-camera with the V860C via radio .

I have run through all the functions with the early sample V860C (and surprisingly) from my initial testing found all functions working with the –

 

Godox V860C and TTL Triggers

 

Please Note Though – This is just my initial testing. It takes a lot of time just trying to confirm all these functions a working correctly with a number of radio triggers, as well as the Canon Optic Wireless system.

So its very possible I could have missed some things, and that other issues may still be discovered once a number of people start using these flash / trigger / camera combinations in more depth and providing feedback.

Mixing third party flash and radio triggers is normally something I would try to avoid. Though its obvious the V860C are going to be one of the more popular TTL flashes available. And a lot of people already have the intention of using them with third party TTL radio triggers. So there should over time at least be enough user feedback to allow any compatibility issues to be well know and documented.

How fast, or if Godox will address any issues found with third party gear is unknown as yet.

 

V860C On-Camera – Firing V850 / V860C / Witstro Off-Camera

 

Unfortunately the V860C do not really offer any new options as far as firing or controlling the V850 or Godox Witstro off-camera, while the V860C is mounted in the camera hotshoe and as a TTL flash on-camera (as many wedding and event photographers like to do).

This was clearly not in Godox’s intended function for the V860C at this stage. Which is fair enough as they have plans for a more integrated solution possibly around the end of the year.

In the mean time though, third party radio triggers are again generally the current solution here. Particularly if you would still like HSS off camera with the manual V850 and Witstro / Cheetah lights.

More detail on V850 / V860C radio trigger alternatives can be seen in this post.

 

Godox V860C

  

 

Compared To

 

The V860C are clearly aimed as an alternative to the very popular, and relatively inexpensive, third party TTL flashes like the YN-568EX II from YongNuo, and similarly priced Chinese flashes from Oloong etc.

Though the V860C also have the build quality, and unique features which go a long way to even challenge the higher priced Japanese flashes in a number of respects.

Many of the TTL flashes in this class are purchased for basic on-camera TTL use, and as a stand alone flash used like this the V860C are really a standout for the price.

The one area the YN-568EX II do have an advantage is that they are guaranteed complete compatibility with popular TTL triggers like the YN-622C.

Although compatibility there also looks promising with the V860C so far, we well have to wait for more user feedback to really confirm that over a wide range of gear etc.

The V860C are the only Lithium-Ion powered ETTL speedlite currently available, so in that respect they are in a class of their own there.

 

Specs

SPECS HERE - Click to Expand

V860C Specs

Compatible Cameras

 

Compatible Cameras

This is the initial list of cameras tested as compatible by Godox. Other models can still be compatible, its just that they have not been tested by Godox.

 

Firmware Updates

 

The latest V860C firmware updates and instructions can be downloaded from the Chinese version of the Godox Website here – http://www.godox.com/CN/Downloads.html

At the time of writing this the latest firmware is available at the bottom right hand side of the page there.

To see which firmware version is installed on your flash, hold down the FN / Light button before switching the flash on, and the firmware version will be displayed on the LCD screen.

 

UPDATE – V2.2 – (MAY 2015)

1. To solve the problem of High‐speed Sync function can’t work when using CellsII‐C transceiver under the M mode.
2. To solve the problem of High‐speed Sync function can’t work when using S1/S2 optic slave flash under the M mode.

V2.1 -

To solve the slow recycle issue in the HSS mode.

V2.0 -

If you run into this problem: Underexposure occurs when you use the long-focus lens and bounce flash in TTL mode.
Solution: Press “MODE” button for two seconds until the flash icon blinks, thus entering “Bounce Flash Mode”. Then you can shoot with correct exposure. Pressing “MODE” button will exit.

 

 

Summary

 

Godox have taken value for money another step further with the V860C. I don’t think there is currently any alternative that is going to come close to matching them for the price. If their features and function suit your needs the V860C will be pretty hard to go past.

The original V850 do still have some small advantages for use as remote manual off-camera flashes, with an interface and sound prompt etc a little more suited to that.

Though the V860C can certainly still slip straight in as extra off camera flashes with the V850 and Witstro, and have the full ETTL function available for on-camera use when needed. If you’re really more of a remote manual / HSS person, then its nice to have a mix of both.

For Nikon users the wait shouldn’t actually be too long this time, as the Nikon version V860N is scheduled for around April.

 

PRICE AND AVAILABILITY

 

The V860C for Canon are available now for around $170 –

V860C -

Amazon – TT860CV860CFT-16FTR-16sCells II

Ebay – V860CFT-16 / Neewer FT-16FTR-16sCells II

Adorama – FlashPoint ZoomFT-16 Set, FTR-16s.

 

Godox V860C – Brochure
Godox V860C – Website

See alternative radio trigger options with the V850 / V860C here.

Godox V850 – Full Review
Godox V850 – Brochure
Godox V850 – Website

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174 Comments
  1. Amir 3 years ago

    Fantastic review of the new Godox flash Elv! Really thorough and well-thought.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Thanks Amir!

  2. Nate 3 years ago

    Excellent timing on the review. It just goes to show that if you hit refresh on a website enough times, the content you are looking for appears…

    Further to my comments in the V860 preview thread, I’ve done some more searching on what is ideal for me to start into flash and am looking to order something this week.

    A few questions:

    Did Godox end up changing the lens on the V860? I know there was speculation that they were going to, but I don’t see any indication in your review that it is any different from the V850 or your preview copy of the V860.

    I have possibly found a good deal on an AD360. While this loses TTL function, it is much more powerful. How does an AD360 compare to multiple V860s? Would it take 4-6 V860s to match one AD360? How about in HSS\H-mode?

    I like the idea of ganging up multiple V860s as they have built in power supplies and having multiple lights is probably beneficial for a beginner. Makes for a nice portable pack too.

    To further muddle the pot, I have pre-ordered the Zack Arias One-Light 2.0 media you linked from your site. I viewed some of his older stuff, and quite liked it. This leads me to believe that I could get away with one AD360 for a while. Or, perhaps just gang multiple V860s together as my “one light”.

    How does 1/128 compare on a AD360 versus a V860? Would 1/128 on an AD360 be comparable to 1/32 on a V860? When shooting in the real world behind a modifier, how low does one really go for power level on a speedlite?

    I know it is nigh impossible to prescribe a lighting solution for another person, but would it be better for a beginner to start with a pair of v860s, looking to add one or two more down the line, rather than one AD360?

    If one’s aim is to overpower ambient\tame the sun on location shots, is it better to start with the speedlites, skip the Witstro, and add something like the Xenergizer 600 in the future?

    I know it is obvious from the questions asked, but keep in mind that photography is a hobby for me and I am not using my equipment to earn money.

    I admit to going in circles here. I am recovering from a hernia repair surgery and find I have far too much time on my hands to read about this stuff.

    Thanks,
    Nate

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Nate,

      The lense – this turned out to be mis-communication and it was actually the 14mm flip down wide angle diffuser lense which was updated. So that is now more even.

      Godox are not going to change the actual flash lense, as they didn’t feel any pattern is visible in actual images. So I went back and checked this in more detail myself and I think the are right. As long as the flash zoom matches the lense zoom the frame coverage is pretty even, even on a plain white wall.

      So it really turned out to be non issue, and Godox updated the 14mm lense which was not really that noticeable either.

      Power – The AD360 are around the power of 4 speedlites like the V850 / V860C.

      This is about the same in H-mode on both. (Not regular HSS, that’s up to 1 stop less).

      BUT – The AD360 will keep going at full power for a long time. So if you’re really going to be using full power for a lot of shots you would really need 8 or more speedlites to keep up. Not for power but to avoid overheating.

      If you’re not punishing them constantly at full power, then 4 V850 / V860C would do fine.

      You’ve probably heard people saying – just buy one good monolight etc, rather than wasting your money on a number of cheap ones. And I think that is very sound advice.

      But when it comes to speedlites like the V850 and V860 you really can’t go wrong. So I would absolutely get a number of mainly V850 (if that’s they way your wanting to go) so that you can experiment with a lot of different lighting. And yes, just group them together when needed for one larger light source.

      The Xenergizer is also the way to go as you said if you want bang for buck power later. A couple of AD360 will cost over twice as much otherwise.

      You can’t go wrong with an AD360 at a good price either. But if you’re on a budget the V850 will get the most options for the money, and you can add in a V860C for some on camera ETTL use when needed as well. Thanks.

      • Nate 3 years ago

        Took the plunge. Ordered a pair of V850s, a V860, and the full Godox wireless kit. Oh, and a TTL cord to play around with the TTL capabilities of the V860 off camera as well.

        Was going to order just two V860s from Gadget Infinity, but your comments and the starter kit of the pair of V850s, receivers, and Cells transmitter at an attractive price swayed me to add more manual flashes. Tunrs out that two V850s, a V860, and Godox wireless works out to be within a few dollars of two V860s with wireless.

        I wish there had been a similar bundle of V860s bundled with the wireless transmitters. I suppose it would be odd bundling TTL flashes with a purely manual wireless solution, but I would have bit on it.

        For the first time ever, I have paid for 3 day shipping as I really want to get this show on the road. My lighting stand, umbrella, and soft box arrived today. These were ordered from a different place in Canada. I have set them up and taken them down so many times today. Flashes should be here in time for the 31st when Zack releases his One Light 2.0 Workshop.

        By the time Godox comes out with their own TTL trigger system, I will have experience working in manual and can reevaluate what way I want to go with lighting. In the mean time, I have enough lights to learn and allow some creativity.

        Thanks again for the fantastic site and info – it has made it to my daily rounds.

        Exciting times,
        Nate

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi Nate,

          Ok great, its an excellent kit. I’m not sure if you got the FT-16 transmitter there though, as you definitely want that.

          To have a 3 light kit with the same simple remote manual power control absolutely rocks.

          Most people over the last 6 years or so have had to cobble together a mish mash of of different flashes (often second hand and still not that inexpensive), and with no remote control. To start out with a nicely matched and integrated system like this would have been a dream for most people.

          And you can add AD360 or Xenergizer with the same power control later if needed.

          And Zack is great value too for sure. Have fun!

  3. Scoob 3 years ago

    Fantastic review. I have the 850 on pre-order from Edward (got great advice from a guy on a camera forum) and will be getting one of these to go with it. As soon as I can get them with the Cheetah name on them.

    Thank you for the great and informative run down on this flash.

    Scoob

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Thanks Scoob.

      The flashes from Cheetah shouldn’t be far off now. Thanks again.

  4. Donald F. 3 years ago

    HSS vs. H-mode on purposes makes sense but confusing at the same time.
    Here are some questions for you mainly focus on H-mode…

    When using h-mode, you only needed just ft-16s remote and clip on only?
    Does the flash must be set to HSS?
    Does the camera must be set to HSS?
    What flash power it must be set to?

    For me, If I have to set either to HSS, then its going to be HSS if flash could set to any flash powers and I will need YN622c for it to do the job. If, nothing was set to HSS, both cam and flash… but full power at any high shutter speed… I called this Supersync
    Here is my video explaining Supersync Mode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmVUmYyUQ9s
    The concept is the same but the way I do it is a little different from how you explaining.

    • Donald F. 3 years ago

      Never mind, I just read your post from http://flashhavoc.com/godox-v850-witstro-radio-trigger-alternatives/

      I had copied and pasted it here, your post:

      The only thing I can suggest in that case (as in you can’t access the light, but still need to turn HSS on and off) would be not to turn H-Mode on at all, but place the flash on full power, and you will get a similar HSS like result anyway. Because the flash is doing long duration sync (like HyperSync). And there is no need to set anything on the flash.

      That is the same solution to beat the 10 shot overheat protection in H-Mode at full power, just leave H-Mode off and you have 75 shots at full power. Long duration sync does have more gradient in the light pattern, and some shutter clipping can occur with full frame etc cameras at some higher shutter speeds.

      So, the truth is… H-mode is definitely Supersync Mode where there is no dedicated button for it. Hypersync is a Pocket Wizard thing lol, for some cameras it can’t sync over 1/400, or 1/1000 (Some 1/2000.)

      BTW, Supersync was designed for strobe but it also works on 580 EX II and 430 EX II cause I did a test but I could only do this with YN622c. I wonder if Godox TC1000 and Godox QT-600 could do Supersync Mode.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 3 years ago

        Hi Donald,

        Just to be clear, H-mode is not a from of SuperSync (or HyperSync)

        H-mode simply makes the flash pulse at 50Hz or similar.

        You then need an early fire signal, otherwise the light still won’t show in the camera frame.

        To get that early fire signal from the camera, you can use the Cells II, and other TTL triggers like the YN-622C.

        This early fire signal is also the same one needed for long duration methods like SuperSync or Hypersync.

        So you can also leave H-mode OFF, and set the flash to full power, and use long duration sync as well with the same triggering methods.

        Long duration sync is not as practical, as you only have the option of full power all the time (with speedlites).

        H-mode and regular Canon / Nikon HSS both make the flash pulse, and require an early fire signal.

        The regular Canon / Nikon HSS are much more automated though, as they turn ON and OFF automatically as the camera shutter speed drops bellow the cameras X-sync.

        You can also turn the regular Canon / Nikon HSS ON and OFF from the camera, or from the TTL transmitter attached to the camera.

        And off course TTL metering is available with Canon / Nikon HSS, not just manual power levels.

        H-mode is much more basic, it must be turned ON and OFF directly on the flash. And once ON, its always pulsing the flash.

        So regular Canon / Nikon HSS is much more automated and convenient. It provides less light than H-mode though in general.

        But the main reason for H-mode is to use HSS with the V850 and Witstro etc, which do not have TTL, and therefore the more automated Canon / Nikon HSS available.

        So the V850 and Witstro only have the option of H-mode, or long duration sync.

        Some of Godox’s larger lights like the Xenergizer have long enough flash durations, so they can be used at the same time (and the same triggering methods) with long duration sync.

        In most cases you can actually use all three methods (on different flashes) at the same time.

        Thanks.

        • Johan 3 years ago

          Why H mode is not available with the FT 16 transmitter?

          • Author
            Flash Havoc 3 years ago

            Hi Johan,

            The FT-16 transmitter is just a single firing pin trigger, which is universal for use with all cameras which have a standard hotshot.

            A trigger which can provide the early fire signal required for H-mode to work, must be dedicated to the cameras TTL system and able to detect the early fire signal from the camera.

            Though the reason they are not combined in to one trigger at this stage is simply because of the way the system has evolved so far. Godox are not up to speed with all the TTL and HSS trigger complexity at this stage. But they should have more refined transmitter options available around the end of the year. Thanks.

            • Johan 3 years ago

              Thanks man!

  5. badphoto 3 years ago

    Hi Elv

    Thanks a lot for the review. Since you more or less deem the 860 as an 580ex II equivalence for on camera flash, I assume there is no “auto” or “thyristor” mode available because you never mentioned it? Also, can you please check that for on camera, ETTL II mode, the 860 gives accurate exposures for high ISO’s and large aperture settings. This is important for people using it as fill flash at 1600, 3200, 6400 etc. and requires very short flash durations for larger apertures like 1.2, 1.4 etc.

    For off camera multi flash ETTL radio triggered (via Yongnuo 622 etc) can you also test high ISO large aperture settings too?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi badphoto,

      Sorry, no there is no Auto Thyristor mode on the V860C.

      I’ll give the high ISO / wide aperture a run a and see if anything unusual appears.

      The V860C are not quite up to the same sort of level as the 580EX II (but then they are a fraction of the price).

      They just following the feature set of the 580EX II more than a 600EX-RT, or 430EX II.

      The focus assist light, and lack of weather sealing or lever lock foot, are the main type of differences to the 580EX II etc.

      Unless I needed the multi point focus assist light I would have a really hard time choosing a 430 EX II over the V860C (even if they knocked $100 of the 430EX II to bring the price in line), even just as a stand alone TTL flash.

      But the fact that the V860 combines nicely off-camera with the V850 and Witstro etc, makes the decision pretty easy if you’re interested in the off-camera remote manual system.

  6. Meddin Studios 3 years ago

    Firing up my order from eachshot thanks to this production unit review. I knew they’d be great but was still holding out just in case. My main gripes are the sound beeps and the LCD brightness options. Can’t believe they messed with something perfectly good on the V850. At least give us the option.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Yes, its strange that they changed the screen. Its completely different with a more metallic type surface, not just a dimmer back light.

      I think the V850 are more easily visible and adjusted for off-camera flashes.

      The other thing is a simple switch to leave the back light on of off would be great. One person has even hacked the back light to stay on by shorting the contacts to the lamp button.

  7. Scoob 3 years ago

    Elv, could you explain any differences between the tt850 and the v850?
    Cheetahs are usually in line or close to the Godox, but you are paying a little extra for the fantastic customer service and help of Edward. One I feel is worth it.
    But how is Neeweer able to buy flashes from Godox and sell them cheaper. ie the tt850 on amazon is $104 while the V850 is $140? Is it really the same exact flash?

    Thanks
    Scoob

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Scoob,

      Yes TT850 are the same flash, just as you mention the level of service is the difference.

      Neewer were originally mainly sold by New Harbor who are based in HK, but have some type of system where they sell through a warehouse in NJ USA. And they have likely found ways to minimise the import duties etc and shipping costs. You will notice other Neewer sellers on Amazon ship from NJ as well.

      If possible its best to try and use the Amazon Fulfilled sellers when purchasing the Neewer gear, as then you are dealing with Amazon directly, and they will exchange very fast within the first 30 days if there are any issues.

  8. Nate 3 years ago

    Received my stuff today. Hooray for three day shipping!

    The pair of V850s work well with the Ft16 transmitter and the Cells ii. Splendid.

    The V860 worked well on camera and in manual mode with the ft16 transmitter. Fantastic!

    After putting the V860 into h mode, I turned on the Cells II transmitter, and the V860 made a funny pop during the test fire. It now emits a high pitch whine and displays E1 on the LCD. Manual says to reset flash or send for service. Sad.

    I think it is hardware, but is there a way to reset the flash besides the on\off switch?

    Thanks,
    Nate

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Nate,

      I think I know what the issue may be there. I’ll drop you an email. Thanks.

      • vlad 3 years ago

        I ran into the E1 error after turning on H mode, shutter at 1/1600. Took 10-12 shots at 1/2 power, then E1 came up along with the high pitched noise when turning the flash on.

        Is there anything I can try before sending it back? Thanks

        • vlad 3 years ago

          thanks for the great review btw, it got me to pre-order the v860c and I’ve been very pleased with it (until it stopped working)

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi vlad,

          Sorry to hear that. It appears a few early units have gone out with a flash tube unsuitable for H-mode. Its most likely that the tube has blown and you will need to exchange the flash. Was this flash pre-ordered from Gadget Infinity? Thanks.

          • vlad 3 years ago

            Thanks for the info!

            I got mine from dzone2 (hong kong) on ebay. I’ll let you know how the exchange works.

  9. george pahountis 3 years ago

    for the money, you really can not beat this flash. My biggest fear though would be the af assist implementation.

    • Jeff 3 years ago

      I am having the same issue E1 with high pitch beep.

      • Nate 3 years ago

        I’m curious when and where you got yours from. I had to send mine back that had the E1 code.

        -Nate

  10. Class A 3 years ago

    Once the Cactus V6 become available, they should be another attractive triggering option (including remote power control) for the V860C.

  11. Lau 3 years ago

    Wow What a review !!! As usual here, great work !

  12. Steve Hunt 3 years ago

    Love the review. As a direct result I’ll be buying 2 this week, but can you tell me if the Canon Stofen style diffuser will fit the V860 please?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Steve,

      Thanks, yes the Canon 580EX, 580EX II compatible diffuser caps will fit the V850 and V860C. Thanks.

  13. Sean McCormack 3 years ago

    I’ve ordered 2 of the Neewer versions of the v850-cheaper basically. I saw this after so instead of a 3rd one like planned, I think I’ll go with an 860 for TTL. I’ll sell on my 580ex II then. I want color matching (this review seems to say that the 580 would match), but I also want the remote power over 3 flashes in manual-especially for my real estate work, but in general anyway. Cheers for the review!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Sean,

      Thanks for that. Yes the remote manual works great between the V850 and V860C. Its really handy to use all the same Lithium batteries as well. The more flashes you have the bigger the advantage there. Thanks.

  14. Robert 3 years ago

    Hey Flash Havoc,

    Maybe you have some info about the V860C compatibility with Canon 70D?
    Also, is EachShot.com a trusted dealer in this community?

    Thanks,
    R.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Robert,

      The 70D should be compatible with the V860C, though I haven’t tried this myself, and I do not have feedback from others with the 70D yet (at the time of writing this). I was nearly going to get the 70D myself last week, but eventually decided on the 7D instead.

      Yes EachShot.com have been very good. The only issues have been with some postage to Eastern Europe etc, so if you live in an area where the postal system is not ideal, its best to choose one of the courier shipping options.

      You can get also get a 6% discount on any of the products from EachShot.com by using the discount code – FlashHavoc!22960 – at the checkout. Thanks.

      • Robert 3 years ago

        Probably going to buy one anyway and just try it out! Thanks for the info.

        R.

  15. Steve Hunt 3 years ago

    I notice that the V860c defaults with Manual Zoom. You need to put it onto Auto to automatically zoom with the camera (I’m using the YN-622c’s). BUT if the 622’s are turned off (or I gather go out of range for a short time) the flash defaults back to manual zoom. Which means if you’re 50 metres away, you need to run out to the flash(es) and put them back into Auto again.

    I know you can control them manually, but that sort of defeats the point doesn’t it? You’d have to find your focal length and then punch it in to the (somewhat annoying) Canon Flash Menu for each change of focal length.

    Or am I missing something?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Steve,

      A remote flash on the YN-622C receiver should follow the zoom setting set in the cameras flash control menu. Whether that is set to auto or a manual power level. It shouldn’t matter what the flash is set to, it will soon take on the setting from the camera menu (I just checked with the V860C to confirm this as well).

      I think you can override this by setting the receiver to mixed mode, so maybe that is what you have done there? If you do a factory reset on the YN-622C they should follow the camera menu again.

      A flash on top of the YN-622C pass through hotshoe (mounted on camera) can have its zoom set directly on the flash (so it can be set to auto to follow the lense) and the remote flashes can then be controlled to a manual setting through the camera menu.

      (You generally don’t want the off-camera flashes to auto zoom with the camera lense, because the are not moving with the camera. And also they may be mounted in modifiers etc where you want the zoom set to the widest 24mm).

      When the YN-622-TX is available, then you will be able to set zoom setting by group, and directly on the YN-622-TX interface.

  16. the Flasher 3 years ago

    OK so i just bought 2 of these Godox 860 flashes….. this means that tomorrow Yongnuo will release their new flashes and triggers! :-)

  17. Meddin Studios 3 years ago

    Any news of Godox possibly doing a firmware update to reincorporate the sound beeps? The dim LCD I can deal with. The sound beeps are holding up my entire purchase.

    Once you own and operate the 850’s there’s no going back to another flash – rock solid remote control, lithium and all for around $100. They’re really clutch when you need a couple small units just to pepper in some light OR even toss one on a boom real quick with a shoot through and save your butt from low-light encounters.

    But not having the beeps kills the off-camera workflow. I would have little confidence operating the 860 with no sound confirmation. And no…I’m not keeping my 850’s…a half dozen CL360’s plus ES600 heads and maybe soon the CL600’s is enough ;)

    I’ll pay $450 to godox for a TTL radio flash that can control the CL-Tx system AND BEEP.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Meddin Studios,

      I would assume the speaker (if that’s what its called) would not be in the flash at all. So I doubt a firmware update would be able to help there.

      I really don’t know why Godox would have left this off. Unless we can get an answer directly from the engineer though, we are probably not going to find out the real reason.

      I think the reason for the change in the V860 LCD screen may be so that it is a little easier to see without the back light on. But for off camera use at least I still think the bright clear and simple interface of the V850 is better.

      It can make it a tough decision, particularly if you have some YN-622 or other TTL triggers already, so that you can make use of the flashes with full TTL and automated HSS etc as well when needed.

      My personal theory at this point is that 2 TTL flashes are enough, any more than that and I would generally prefer to use remote manual anyway. So at this point I’m planning on getting more V850, they are just so simple handy and convenient.

  18. Meddin Studios 3 years ago

    One last request – update the Transmitters so that when adjustments are made on one it affects all hand units. I hate having the shooter tweak the on-camera CL-Tx while I walk around and re-click through the power settings on my remote (not knowing where settings were to start). As I rotate to the next light it should update the hand unit to whatever power setting the light is currently at and go from there. This makes metering as an assistant a real pain because if the shooter wants to tweak the rim (that I just adjusted 2 stops) his camera hand unit starts off 2 stops behind what I just set.

    Otherwise, I love these things.

  19. badphoto 3 years ago

    Hi Elv

    I wonder if you have had a chance to test high ISO’s by now. Thanks

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi badphoto,

      Sorry, I just tried this now. Is the issue you’re concerned about the flash exposure being too bright?

      Because I did have some issues if the flash head is direct and I’m too close to the subject (at F2). But if I bounce, or move back the exposure comes down to where is should be. So it seems the flash can only go so low in power.

      I compared the 600EX-RT and that did the same thing, though it would basically go a stop lower.

      I should have compared to 1/128th manual power setting as well, but I’m sure ETTL goes lower than 1/128th anyway.

      I’ve never known this to be an issue though, as I would use a little bounce card with the flash head pointed up, and that reduced the power considerably. Adding a gel etc does as well.

      • badphoto 3 years ago

        Thanks Elv. What I mean is to make sure to have accurate exposure at close distance, like about 5 feet, from flash to subject, at large apertures like f2 or f1.4 and high ISO’s like 3200 or 6400 or even 12800. For phojournalistic work, you’d shoot available light but sometimes want natural looking fill flash.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi badphoto,

          Ok thanks. Well its pretty much as I wrote above then. If you’re bouncing the flash then exposures are correct.

          If direct flash then no, there is too much light. But the 600EX-RT has the same issue, except it will go one stop lower. That’s still too much light direct though at those high ISO’s and wide apertures.

          You really have to point the flash up and use the catch light card or similar to bounce less light forward.

          The flip down wide angle diffuser cuts a stop of light, so that would be some help direct, or a stofen cap etc.

  20. Gil 3 years ago

    Any word on the Nikon release of this flash? Thanks

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Gil,

      Sorry no word at this stage. They are working on it to come next though. Thanks.

  21. Class A 3 years ago

    I’ve just made my Cactus V6 review available. The V6 can remote control the power level of the Godox V860C.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Thanks for that Class A.

  22. antonio 3 years ago

    Thans alot a for that extensive review.
    My question is if 860c is fully compatible off camera with 622c in regular hss and canon ettl.
    Thanks alot

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi antonio,

      From the limited testing I have done they appear to be working fine together. I’m not sure if people may discover some quirks possibly with different camera bodies etc yet, but so far I haven’t had any issues reported. Thanks.

  23. Robert 3 years ago

    I though the 860N was schedule to be released in April? Any news of release date?

  24. Tim Henrion 3 years ago

    Just got one of these to run through its paces. The fact that it appears to work correctly with my 1DX makes me quite happy. My only complaints are a couple of nits:

    1) I wish more Custom Functions were enabled. Specifically I want to be able to turn off the AF Assist and Modeling Flash (both which can be annoying in certain situations). I’d also like to be able to turn on “Quick Flash”.
    2) Installing a radio remote receiver blocks the micro USB port. This is an issue for me because I like to use heavy duty double-stick tape to hold the remote receivers in place.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Tim,

      Thanks for the confirmation on the 1DX.

      Just a suggestion regarding the receivers, you might like to try some industrial Velcro to secure them to the flash. I don’t mean the soft fluffy stuff, but the solid hard Velcro that clips together like a solid connection, I think would be ideal. There would be very little movement then, and at least you could get them apart when needed to access the USB port. Thanks.

  25. eli 3 years ago

    When is the nikon version coming out?!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi eli,

      The Nikon version was expected in April, so at this point we just have to wait until its ready. I’m sure Godox would like to get it out as soon as they can. Thanks.

  26. Eric Lefebvre 3 years ago

    So I bought 5 of the 850’s (Neweer branded) along with the transmitters and receivers to replace my venerable YN460’s for off camera flash since my YN’s were all dead (more or less) and I love them. Exactly what I needed. Being able to adjust the power on my flash that’s inside my softbox without having to reach in is great and the fast recycle speed and tremendous power just make these a no brainer for me.

    Did a shoot with a beauty pageant contestant … loved how these flahes have speed up the shoots workflow.

    I had one of my Sigma ETTL flashes die out on me and my second TTL Sigma flash is just a old so I decided to pickup 2 TT860c’s to replace them. Seems to work fine BUT … my couple of test shots on my 5DMkII gave me under exposed shots … now I just got these yesterday (mother’s day) and was too busy to do proper testing so maybe I had something setup wrong … setting the flash expsure compensation to +1 stop solved the issue … just curious if anyone else has had this problem?

    I’ll do more testing tonight … I have a wedding on Saturday and while I rented a spare flash (better safe than sorry and it;s just 15$), it would be nice to be able to use these beasts instead.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Eric,

      One stop out is not uncommon for a number of third party flashes. So as long as Exposure Compensation corrects that its probably not a huge issue (though hopefully can be updated / corrected over time).

      But a few people have confirmed now that there is a much more dramatic underexposure issue if using the Canon 24-105L, at the 105mm end, while bouncing the flash, and while using Evaluative flash metering.

      The underexposure is not at the wider zoom end, and not with Average flash metering.

      The YongNuo YN-568EX II had a similar issue with bouncing and Evaluative flash metering for a long time, (their solution was just to use Average metering). So hopefully Godox will be more responsive with firmware fixing this. Using Average metering is again likely the simple solution for now.

      • Eric Lefebvre 3 years ago

        Yeah, did more testing and still under exposed unless I boost exposure with exposure compensation … not a huge issue but still …

        The fact that these flashes have USB ports for upgrade-able firmware makes me a little less worried a well … the massive battery and lighting fast recycle time more than makes up for the minor inconvenience of having to adjust the exposure compensation.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Ok, Godox have confirmed they have made some updates including the underexposure with the 24-105L lense.

          For current V860C owners they are looking towards around mid June to provide a firmware update.

          • Eric Lefebvre 3 years ago

            You are all kinds of awesome! I was looking for info on firmware updates on their site but couldn’t find anything.

          • Eric Lefebvre 3 years ago

            Still no firmware love from Godox or am I missing something?

            • Author
              Flash Havoc 3 years ago

              Sorry no, still waiting.

  27. netha 3 years ago

    Will this compatible with canon 70D?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi netha,

      Godox have not listed the 70D as tested yet, and we do not have any user feedback or confirmation as yet.

      The 7D is the closest I have to test at this point myself, so we will not know for sure until there is some user feedback with the 70D. Thanks.

  28. Robert 3 years ago

    Is the manual mode in the V860 the same as having a manual flash like the V850 or YN 560 III?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Robert,

      Yes they are effectively the same thing.

      Though I do prefer the V850 more for manual use, because the LCD screen shows he manual power levels larger and clearer. But they have a sound prompt which beeps every time the power level is changed remotely with the FT-16 transmitter. I just find that makes it clearer to know the flash is on the same setting as the transmitter is showing.

      The V860 have the same manual power levels, and method of adjustment on the flash. And work fine with the FT-16 transmitter for remote manual power control otherwise. So you can mix them with V850 pretty nicely as well. Thanks.

  29. Hans 3 years ago

    Has anyone tested these with the pocketwizard tt5/tt1? In ttl mode? Thanks!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Hans,

      I haven’t tested these myself, though a couple of people have said they appear to be working fine in both TTL and remote manual. Thanks.

      • Hans 3 years ago

        Thanks for the quick response! Great site btw!
        Do you happen to have other tips? I’m looking for a reasonably priced canon ttl flash, powerful,optical trigger, compatible with flex tt1/tt5, external power plug?

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi Hans,

          Thanks for that. That’s a good question regarding the TT1 / TT5 compatibility. The main alternative option in the past has been the Nissin Di866 Mark II.

          I haven’t kept up with how compatible Chinese flashes have been with the PocketWizard TT1/TT5 otherwise, as that’s not really a combination people are generally after.

          But now that you mention it, the V860C would be pretty hard to beat for an inexpensive option there. Provided they do have good range and reliability, with regards to RF noise issue etc. There’s really no flash that matches the V860C for the price in general.

  30. m4tik 3 years ago

    Hello Elv,
    thank you for this great review ! I would just like to know if there is a possibility to controll the manual power though a Phottix Odin ?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi m4tik,

      Yes you can use the Phottix Odin for remote manual and full TTL (and HSS etc). But this means using an Odin receiver on the V860C foot.

      So you are just using the V860C like any regular TTL flash with the Odin TTL triggers.

      I haven’t tested this combination extensively either, though I did run through to see all functions were working. Thanks

      • m4tik 3 years ago

        Well, again thank you very much :)

  31. Alberto 3 years ago

    Hi,

    I have the Neewer TT850 and have to say I love the flash and the lithium battery is a plus.

    I have a question on the V860C, does the V860C can be fire with the Canon STE2 transmitter?

    Can I use the power ratio options on the STE2 with the V860C?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Alberto,

      Yes the V860C has Canon Optic Wireless master and slave modes built in. So yes the Canon ST-E2 should work fine as transmitter with ratios. Thanks.

  32. Roger. B. 3 years ago

    Dear friends.
    Great review and great website newly discover for me and lerning a lot with you! Thanks.. Im sold with a pair of V860C, but i also want to have a really powerfull unit to make a 3 lights kit, im thinking to buy the Godox Wistro AD360 or the Neewer Xenergizer, wich one i should buy between this two monsters? Wich one is better, powerfull , relaiable? Etc?
    Thsnks in advance and good lights for everyone

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Roger,

      Sorry I missed this post earlier. The Xenergizer is double the power, or a stop more light than the AD360. So if you want power for shooting outdoors in bright ambient light, then Xenergizer would be the most economical option (as you would need two AD360 to match the Xenergizer, and even one AD360 cost more).

      The main advantage to the AD360 is simply size and portability. If you’re using them at times without a softbox mount bracket, they are very small and lightweight compared to most monolights and battery pack options. Thanks.

  33. Robert 3 years ago

    Is the Nikon version still being developed. I had read that Godox did not know when they would release the Nikon version of the V860. You have any positive news ?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Robert,

      Yes they are still working on the Nikon version. Its obviously behind what they originally expected, so I don’t want to keep pestering them for a release time. I’m sure we’ll hear something once its getting close to being available.

  34. George Christofi 3 years ago

    Hi there
    If you by the V860C can you use it with other dslr On manual mode Like the v 850?

    Regards George

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi George,

      You should be able to in manual mode.

      I have an old Nikon D70s now so I can at least give that a try to double check.

  35. Shyam 3 years ago

    Hi,

    Thanks for the absolutely in depth review, I remember reading it when it first came out and decided to buy the v860c last month.

    Just thought I should give an update on how I am finding them. I previously had a Yongnuo 568exii which was a very good flash but I did have some gripes with it, mainly the lack of an on/off switch that slides instead needing to press and hold for 3 seconds( a pain when you want to turn the flash off and quickly in between different shots for events) as well as flash recycle times and number of total pops but that was because I hadn’t forked out money for good batteries.

    Decided to bite the bullet and sell my yongnuo 568exii and buy the the v860c and I am very happy with the decision. Hands down, it feels amazing to use it, the flash recycle times and mainly how many pops you get out it. It’s definitely more than worth it for the price. I have been using it for a month for events on camera and it’s working perfectly on my 60D and I have used it as a master to command 430exii, 320exii and the yongnuo 568exii. I am quite a beginner so I didn’t extensively test all its functions. Couple of things stood out to me when comparing it with the yongnuo flash – the build quality seems a bit better and the swiel head seem sturdier and not as ‘loose’ as the YN, it’s a bliss to be able to use the scroll wheel to adjust flash levels etc instead of pressing the buttons on the YN, this is much quicker and convenient and the hotshoe locking ring seems to be much better than the YN and the flash doesnt budge when you attempt to shake it, unlike the YN. The flash power, recycle times, white balance as well as overheat limit and ttl exposing with my camera seems to be much more consistent than the YN. Glad to have the peace of mind that firmware updates are an option unlike the YN. And of course, I’m finally content to have a normal on/off switch like a typical canon flash. The af assist light and no sound prompt are probably the only downsides, and maybe not having an external battery pack for slightly quicker recycle times.

    I was a bit hesitant with ordering this since there weren’t any other reviews out there or videos on youtube and I was waiting for more people to get it and confirm everything was good but decided to ahead anyway. Ordered with eachshot, who I highly recommend, fast cheap express shipping and the lowest prices with the discount codes!! For those waiting to buy their first ttl flash, I cannot recomment anything more than the v860c for those on a budget. It’s cheaper than a 430exii and better as well being a fraction of the price to the Canon 580exii. It’s also a much better option than the YN 568exii in my opinion, so better that I think it is worth it to sell your old flash off and get this instead!! Once you go Li-ion, you never go back aha!

    Would like to thank flashhavoc for inspiring me to purchase this as well as their quality work with the amazing reviews and updates!!! I have been a follower for about a year and a bit now and really do appreciate the effort, Flashhavoc! Thanks :) I’ll give another update in a few months once get some ttl triggers like the yn 622c to play with.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Shyam,

      Thanks for the great feedback! And glad to hear you’re liking the V860C.

      Probably the main reason myself and others have not been raving about the V860C so much, is just that the V850 came first, and that is actually nicer again and a little more well suited to what it was designed for (remote manual flash off-camera).

      IF the V860C had come first though I’m sure it would have gotten a lot more attention. But yes I would agree its a much nicer flash than the YN-568EX II in most ways. Its hard to believe you get a better built flash, and the advantages of the Lithium-Ion battery, for around the same price.

      The one advantage the YN-568EX II have though, is pretty much guaranteed compatibility with the YongNuo YN-622C TTL triggers, now, and if they make firmware changes etc later. The V860C do currently appear to be quite compatible with the YN-622C (and other TTL triggers), though sticking with the same brand is always a little safer option.

      For the advantage of the Lithium battery its likely worth taking the chance though, and dealing with any issues when or if they even arise later with future gear. Thanks again.

  36. Peter A 3 years ago

    I’m ready to see reviews on the RP Jr2 compatibility and 300m+ distance for V860C & N ! :-)

    I don’t remember the tested distance of the FT16s for the V850 setting levels, but a Nano could trigger it at full RP distance, and without 2.4 WiFi interference. We are in piggyback heaven! ;-)

  37. Ranjan Kumar Mandal 3 years ago

    Excellent review ! Hats Off to FLASH HAVOC !

  38. Adam 3 years ago

    I am so far loving the V850 and V860c.

    My nikon diffusser keeps falling off. Any idea what size (stoffen type) diffuser fits this head snuggly? I’m always losing these things!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Adam,

      Great the hear thanks. The diffuser cap is the same size as the Canon 580EX / 580EX II and the YongNuo YN-560 / YN-565EX which were also modeled of the Canon flash head. Thanks.

  39. Dimitrios 3 years ago

    Excellent and detailed review,on which based i ordered via your link to eachshot.
    As a semipro for weddings and events,i tried for a few days the 860c,i was impressed with the metering of my gossen flash-meter,compared it to 580ex Canon,120j ttl pro Sunpak, and finally found its lithium battery unbelievable powerful,as i have always an Quantum Turbo to my shoulder…
    Then i decided to give it as a gift to a friend,and i ordered again from eachshot an yongnuo 565exii that i will receive about 20 days later so when i try the 565exii i will know which is right for me because although 1.5s recycling of 860c is top i prefer to make it under 1s and that is possible only with the external pack that yongnuo accepts
    BUT first af all i need the user manual of the Ving 860c in pdf so when he needs support it is easier for me to read the manual in pdf.
    Do you have any idea where can i find it,although i emailed Godox one hour ago?
    Second, do you have any upgrade link for the firmware for this flash that solves underexposure problems that he saw with his Canon 400d/Xti rebel or is it something wrong with the flash,because it works ok in the ttl on the hotshoe about 3 of the 10 times,and mostly on full auto mode,and almost never at the Programm mode he uses .
    Also is there any dealer in Greece,or any European country that i will contact if in the future i buy some of these flashes as support is first priority?

  40. Chris Boar 3 years ago

    So spent the entire day reading this blog! Trying to bring myself upto speed with the latest in ocf technology. So there still doesnt appear to be what id consider to be the holy grail for event/wedding photographers of an integrated on camera ttl solution that can also control manual power on remote flashes? I’d still need some sort of seperate transmitter? I currently use a SB900 on camera and the phottix strato ii solution for remote flashes. I suspect i could still do this using the v850 as the remote, sitting on a Strato ii rx for the trigger, but still be able to have remote manual power control using the ft16s handheld?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Chris,

      For Nikon the Phottix Mitros+ is the only flash with built in radio transmitter, for TTL and remote manual. Its generally a great system, though the Nikon version is still have teething problems. Remote flashes must be TTL units though (or Mitros+ again) even for remote manual use.

      Yes you can certainly use the Strato II to fire the V850, and the FT-16 in hand to change the power levels. Using the Strato II its easy to turn groups on and off then as well.

      When Godox produce their radio master flash units later in the year, they should still also control the remote manual flashes like the V850 (with a new clip on receiver). So Godox may have a good solution coming too.

      These things do take time to refine though, and the Phottix system will likely be pretty well sorted out by the time Godox just start releasing theirs. So that’s all worth taking into consideration. Thanks.

  41. Q 3 years ago

    have they introduced fuji version yet?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Q,

      I don’t think Godox have plans for a Fuji version at this stage. The Nikon version is only just in development now, and they have a lot of work to do with creating a full Canon and Nikon system before expanding to other brands.

  42. ivan 3 years ago

    There is one important downside I think nobody has mentioned, and it is that you can’t position the flash-head towards the ceiling to bounce the flash light when shooting vertical. That is something you can do with Nikon and Canon flashes.

    Anyways, I am in love whit this flash kit, and having the chance to change the flash power from the distance is amazing.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Ivan,

      Do you mean you can’t swivel the flash head?

      If so, it does actually swivel, its just very tight at first! Just twist it gently and you will see it swivels.

  43. Nick 3 years ago

    Any additional info on compatibility problems between the Godox V860C/Neewer TT860 and the Yongnuo YN 622C’s? Is it correct to assume that if there are no problems using these flashes with the 622C’s then the system should also work with the Yongnuo YN 622C-TX?

  44. Ibrahim 3 years ago

    Hey, flashhavoc I recently received a canon 70d and wanted a flashlight. As i am new in the field of photography i have a certain questions.
    What is ettl and flash trigger?
    Is this flash can only be operated manually?
    Is it good for my camera?
    which else flash (at least of $200 or below) you recommend?

  45. Robert 3 years ago

    Will the V860n be released this month?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Robert,

      A few people have been testing them at the moment. I’m not sure Godox can even provide a certain release time, but they are in the final stages. I would guess more likely next month.

  46. Author
    Flash Havoc 3 years ago

    [ Comment Moved here from the V860N Comments ]

    the flasher says:
    July 26, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    Hey Nikon shooters sorry to hijack this tread but i posted in the old thread about the canon version of this flash and didn’t get any feed back so here it is…..

    I own 4 of these for canon and i’m a bit upset with the performance due to the following problems:

    1) weird TTL underexposure with 24-105 f4 lens

    2) HSS recycle time is well over 1 sec even if the power is set really low e.g. 1/128

    **** further testing reveals the following — if flash is held in hand (not attached to camera) set to HSS – manual power – 1/128 pressing the test button causes the flash to fire and recycle time is immediate HOWEVER put the flash on camera with the same settings as above camera in manual iso 800 1/320 f4 it takes the flash over 1.5 sec to recharge!!!!! Remember this is the flash set at its lowest power 1/128 !!!!

    !!!!!1.5sec to recharge at 1/128 power when the flash is on camera or on YN622 triggers!!!

    3) HSS mode “locks up” my YN622 triggers if you try to take more than 2 frames a sec. With canon flashes they simply do not fire until they have fully recharged, the 860c just causes the YN622 to freeze, requiring me to turn the triggers off and on again.

    4) The wide angle diffuser is really loose and just flops out whenever the flash is not vertical – I don’t have this problem on any other flash even the cheap godox 680 TTL flashes are better!

    If you just want a flash to sit on top of your camera with fast recycle times using TTL then this is a really good choice.

    If you want to use it off camera with YN622 triggers in HSS mode then be careful as it doesn’t work well for Canon versions and only time will tell if they fix the issues via firmware.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Flasher,

      The exposure issue with the 24 – 105 f4 lens is know to Godox. And I haven’t gotten too concerned about other issues as we were expecting a firmware update any time (updating a number of minor issues).

      That was a couple of months ago now, though I would assume the firmware could still come at any time.

      I tested the other issues you are seeing and can confirm the same results. Though HSS recycle is around 1 to 1.2 seconds at 1/128th power.

      You mention the test fire button with HSS enabled and flash off-camera recycles instantly at 1/128, and I have the same result. Though actually firing the flash off camera with HSS, using the Cells II as transmitter, I then get the 1.2 second recycle again. So the test fire button may not be pulsing the flash.

      I will pass this on to Godox though, I’m not sure if they are aware of this or not, or if it can be rectified. As you mention the Canon flashes are instant recycle in HSS at 1/128th.

      I tested and found the same lock up issue with the YN-622C and rapid HSS firing.

      I have 3 V860C and quite a few V850, and none of them have a loose wide angle diffuser, so I assume you may have received some from a bad batch their.

      I’ll update this if I hear anything on the availability of the firmware update. Though I’m not going to keep pestering them on it as that’s not going to make it come any faster. And I’m trying to get some detail on the battery issue at the moment.

  47. Danny Nee 3 years ago

    Hi
    Can anyone point me to a vendor in the UK where I can buy a Godox FT-16 radio transmitter and 2x FTR-16s radio receiver unit? I can find 1x transmitter and 1x receiver kits, but I really need a second receiver.

    Thanks in advance

    Danny

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Danny,

      T-one.co do not have the second FTR-16s listed separately, though I’d be surprised if they wouldn’t sell you one if you dropped then a message.

  48. John.C 3 years ago

    Hello Flashhavoc!

    I got my V860C today and used it on my Canon 6D.
    If mount the flash on my cam, it wont flash.
    But if I “loose up” the flash a little bit, it works perfectly. But its too shakey. Got any advice for me?

    Greetings John

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi John,

      You’ve got me there. So you’re saying the it appears that tightening the flash is lifting the contacts off the cameras hotshoe?

      Maybe try and give the flash contacts a clean (with some Isopropyl alcohol or similar) and push them in and out a few times to make sure they are not sticking anywhere, and all protruding out the same amount.

      Other than that I’m not sure how that could be rectified in any sustainable manner. I don’t think others have reported this before, so I’m not sure if a replacement flash will help. It may be the 6D hotshoe has a little more clearance than others, I’m not really sure.

      • John.C 3 years ago

        Hi!

        Thx for the reply. Thats right. It wont work if I tighten up. I already cleaned the hotshoe but it still wont flash :( (Already tried it on a 6D, 5D MkII, and 7D)

        BUT if I mount the 860V on a flashcable and thighten it up, it works without any issues :)

        Hmm kinda sucks

  49. Author
    Flash Havoc 3 years ago

    Godox have released the first firmware update V-2.0 for the V860C.

    UPDATE – Now V-2.1 is available (which fixes the HSS recycle issue at low power)

    The files (29MB) can be downloaded here at the bottom right hand corner of the Chinese download page – http://www.godox.com/CN/Downloads.html

    .

    You will need a Windows 7 or older operating system to run the updating software.

    (Using windows 8 I was not able to run the .exe program file. It just says – “Unable to open archive file”.)

    Running windows 7 all worked fine. Though I had to allow the program to install Java, even though I’m pretty sure it was already installed on the PC.

    .

    The V860C ETTL exposures, and exposure compensation all appear to be very good now.

    There is also an added mode for bounce flash, if you do still have issues with some longer lenses. I didn’t see any issues without the mode on, though I don’t have a 24-105 F4L here (the lense most people had issues with).
    .

    The two smaller issues mentioned recently are still there though –

    [UPDATE – V-2.1 now corrects the HSS recycle issue below]

    – The flash still takes 1.5 seconds to recycle at minimum power when using HSS.

    – If used on the YongNuo YN-622C in HSS, the flash locks up the YN-622C receiver if you take 2 shots quickly in a row.
    .

    Otherwise its the V860C are looking very good now in ETTL on-camera, and on they YN-622C.

  50. Tom 3 years ago

    Many thanks for the firmware updates.

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