Guide – Small Flash with Built-In Radio Triggers

SMALL FLASH WITH BUILT- IN RADIO TRIGGERS

 

Flash units with radio triggers built-in are fast overtaking separate radio triggers now. They offer big advantages in convenience and reliability, without all the extra receivers and batteries to manage, or cords and connections to cause issues. And as a bonus they are also generally cheaper as combined units as well.

Radio based systems provide a lot more convenient and reliable communication than the previous built-in optic wireless (or infrared) systems. Radio transmission allows much greater range, and no issue working in bright sunlight, or needing line of sight etc. Radio will even travel through a number of walls etc.

Another major advantage for many wedding and event photographers, is the option now of solid direct TTL flash on camera mounting. Avoiding flimsy pass through hotshoes or additional transmitter units on the camera, which were previously needed otherwise to fire and control remote flashes. A consideration here is also the availability of extra separate receiver units to fire other brand studio lights etc. Otherwise you may end up trying to combine extra transmitter units on the camera again (as even the current Canon RT system can require).

Camera compatibility is an important consideration as well, particularly with the rise in popularity of many non Canon-Nikon based mirrorless cameras. For those cameras, the more universal “remote manual” systems which do not provide TTL or HSS may be the best option.

This guide is a work in progress, with a lot of detail yet to come. For now this is an overview of the main systems available, or soon to be available.

See also – MANUAL RADIO TRIGGER GUIDE and TTL & REMOTE MANUAL RADIO TRIGGER GUIDE

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Recommendations to come.

All the systems currently listed are pretty safe options though. There are a few cheaper systems available, but I’m not going to list those until they are tested.

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 YongNuo YN-560 IV PERMALINK

YongNuo YN-560 III

Flash around – $75.  Tx From – $20 – FULL REVIEW

Universal – Single Firing Pin

YN-560 III are simple remote manual flash units with 2.4GHz radio receiver built-in. Currently compatible with the very popular RF-602 and RF-603 basic manual radio triggers, which are used as transmitter units mounted on the camera hotshoe to simply fire the flash.

UPDATE – The new RF-603 II triggers are currently the best transmitter option for the YN-560 III. The RF-603 II are compatible with most cameras that have a standard hotshoe (Sony shoe should work with an adapter)

Also coming (at some point) is a new transmitter, which will enable remote manual power control of the YN-560 III flash, directly from the transmitters own built in LCD interface.

The YN-560 III are currently one of the better flashes available in this very low price bracket. Close to the power of top end Canon Nikon flashes, with aprox 2.6 second full power recycle time, and external HV battery port allowing much faster recycle again. Full power range from 1/128 to Full, in 1/3rd stop adjustment. Zoom head from 24-105mm, and S1 and S2 optic slave modes. The YN-560 III provides good reliable triggering with around 100m range.

RF-602 & RF-603 can be used as extra receiver (RX) units for firing other non YN-560 III flashes. No remote power control available for those though.

Compatible with – RF-603 II, RF-603RF-602, and coming Transmitter

TTL Flash on Camera – Not Directly, an extra Tx is needed.
Separate Receivers - YES 

Amazon – YN-560 IIIRF-603 II  UK – YN-560 IIIRF-603 II
Ebay – YN-560 IIIRF-603 II
YongNuo Ebay Store – YN-560 IIIRF-603 II

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The YN-560 III is one of the better flashes available in the very low price bracket, so currently a lot of bang for buck in the manual flash category.

An inexpensive manual flash with simple remote manual power control is all that many strobists have been asking for for many years, so its great news the already popular YN-560 III will (eventually) have remote manual control enabled with the coming transmitter.

Having said that, YongNuo do still have quality control issues at times. So its a good idea to choose a seller carefully (preferably local) who will provide a quick exchange if needed, without great time and expense to yourself. Amazon has been the popular solution here, still providing very low prices with quick exchange within 30 days if there is an issue.

Although a great inexpensive system on their own, one catch with the YN-560 III may be when trying to integrate them into other systems. As they are not even directly compatible with YongNuo’s own higher end TLL triggers. So if a TTL flash is needed on camera for example, some of the more advanced systems below may provide a neater solution, without extra transmitter units needed to fire and control the remote manual flashes.

For simple remote manual use though, the YN-560 III will (eventually) provide a great inexpensive, convenient and reliable remote manual triggering, at a considerably lower price than most of the TTL or HSS capable systems.

YN-560 III – Amazon UK
RF-602 – Canon Nikon UK  RF-603 – Canon Nikon UK

YongNuo – Website

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Cactus RF60

Flash around – $140.  Tx around – $TBA – OVERVIEW

Universal – Single Firing Pin

– RF60 Flash now available – V6 transmitter coming soon –

Cactus Imaging, manufacturers of the popular Cactus V5 2.4GHz manual radio triggers, also now have a remote manual transceiver available in the RF60. Unlike the YN-560 III above, the Cactus RF60 will operate as both transmitter and receiver. So one Cactus flash on the camera hotshoe, will fire and control the manual power levels of a number of remote Cactus flashes, set to receiver mode(manual flash on-camera only though). 

The new flash will be followed by a new V6 version of the current V5 transceivers. A V6 can then be used as a transmitter on the camera hotshoe to control the remote manual power setting of the Cactus flash units.

The current V5 transceivers will also fire the Cactus flash (no remote power control), or act as basic manual receivers in the new system. Also compatible with the LV5 lazer trip triggers. So for current V5 owners who want to keep using their existing flashes as well, the new Cactus flash may be of particular interest.

Cactus V6 radio transceivers offer remote manual power control with the RF60 flashes, but also remote manual power control with a number of TTL flashes from Canon, Nikon, Pentax, and various of other brands. The V6 also offer a TTL pass though hotshoe compatible with Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax, and Fujifilm, all via the one unit. So the RF60 and V6 transceivers allow universal remote manual use across a number of camera brands, while also combining a number of flash brands at the same time.

Compatible with – Cactus V5, LV5, and coming V6 transceivers.

TTL Flash on Camera – Not Directly, an extra Tx is needed.
Separate Receivers - YES 

Cactus RF-60 – Ebay, Amazon, AdoramaGadget Infinity

Cactus V5 – EbayAmazonAdoramaGadget Infinity

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Cactus V5 – Amazon  Adorama  Gadget Infinity 

 GODOX V850 PERMALINK

Godox V850 (& V860)

Flash around – $120.  Tx & RX - FT-16s $45 – Cells II $60 – OVERVIEW

Universal – Single Firing Pin – HSS Function – Canon & Nikon

Godox V850 are a simple remote manual flash, with the addition of a unique HSS capability to 1/8000th when used off-camera. The V850 are also the worlds first speedlight to feature an on-board rechargeable Lithium-Ion battery, which also effectively replaces a complete external 8 AA battery pack!

Around 650 full power pops, and fast 1.5 second recycle at full power. Capacity more than 12 regular AA batteries. All the advantages of an external HV battery pack, but much more compact, convenient, and easy to recharge. Complete freedom from time consuming AA battery management!

Optional Godox FT-16S transmitter and receiver provide very fast and easy remote manual power control, in 1/3rd stops, and 16 individual groups. The receiver is not actually built in to the flash, but a small unit which plugs into a port on the side of the flash, requiring no batteries. 

Popular Godox Witstro AD180/AD360 bare bulb strobes (bellow) also share the same FT-16 transmitter. As well as a unique FP HSS feature, only available off camera, and by using the Godox Cells II transmitter to fire them. Cells II are available for Canon (Nikon coming). Although 433MHz, the FT-16S and Cells II have great range and reliability. Cells II can also be used as receiver units to fire other flashes.

V850 have a Guide Number of 58M @ ISO 100, 105mm and tested virtually equal to top end Canon/Nikon flashes. Recycle just 1.5 seconds at full power, Zoom 24-105mm, Power 1/128 – 1/1, in 1/3rd stops. Full tilt and 360 swivel head, S1 / S2 optic slave modes, 3.5mm sync port, and remote manual AF assist light.

V860 – V860C or Canon, and V860N for Nikon, are TTL versions of the V850. Though the TTL is only available on camera, or using external TTL radio triggers. Otherwise the V860 use the same remote manual radio system as the V850.

Compatible with – FT-16 Transmitter (and therefore AD180/AD360 flashes).

TTL Flash on Camera – YES, (not with HSS unless using alternate triggers).
Separate Receivers - YES 

Amazon – TT850TT860CV860CFT-16FTR-16sCells II
Ebay – V850, V860CFT-16FTR-16sCells II

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Godox – Website

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Godox AD180 AD360

From Around $400 – Tx – FT-16 $45 – Cells II $80 – FULL REVIEW

Universal – Single Firing Pin – HSS Function - Canon – Nikon

Godox Witstro AD180 & AD360 are changing the game, particularly for many wedding and event photographers. At 153 & 307 WS, the Witstro are 2 & 4 times the output of speedlights, in a similarly compact package. Powered by a PB960 Lithium battery pack, having huge capacity (700/350 full power pops) for the small size and weight. No AA batteries in the flash or pack, so the Witstro can save a huge amount of time with battery management. 

Bare bulb allows a very broad soft light ideal for filling large modifiers, but also suffers much less overheating compared to regular speedlightes. So they can really make use of full power for a usable period if needed, unlike most regular speedlites. Reflector mount is compatible with most Quantum, Norman, Lumedyne & Sunpak 120J reflectors.

Optional Godox FT-16 transmitter and receiver provide very fast and easy remote manual power control, in 1/3rd stops, and 16 individual groups. The receiver is not actually built in to the flash, but a small unit which plugs into a USB port on the side of the flash, requiring no batteries. The Wistros’s simple clear flash interface, combined with fast simple remote control, put many speedlites systems to shame.

Another big feature is a unique FP HSS function, allowing camera shutter speeds to 1/8000th. Only available off camera, and by using the Godox Cells II transmitter to fire them. Cells II are available for Canon (Nikon coming). Although 433MHz, the FT-16 and Cells II have great range and reliability. Cells II can also be used as receiver units to fire other flashes.

Recycle just 1.3/2.6 seconds at full power (when using DB-02), Power 1/128 – 1/1, in 1/3rd stops. Full tilt and 360 swivel head, S1 / S2 optic slave modes, 3.5mm & PC sync port. And a remote manual AF assist light.

Compatible with – FT-16 Transmitter (and therefore AD180/AD360 flashes).

TTL Flash on Camera – YES, (not with HSS unless using alternate triggers).
Separate Receivers - YES 

Amazon – AD180AD360PB960  UK – AD180AD360PB960
Ebay – AD180, AD360
B&H Photo – Bolt VBInterfit Strobies Pro-Flash
Adorama – FlashPoint Streaklight

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Godox – Website 

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 YongNuo YN600EX-RT YN-E3-RT PERMALINK

YongNuo YN600EX-RT

Flash around – $124.  Tx around – $90 – OVERVIEW YN-E3-RT, YN600EX-RT

Canon version only

YongNuo YN600EX-RT flash, and YN-E3-RT transmitter, are basically clones of – and directly compatible with - the original Canon 600EX-RT and ST-E3-RT (seen further below). But also with some very valuable additions.

The YongNuo YN-E3-RT provide practically all functions of the Canon ST-E3-RT, as well as added features which include – AF assist light, 2nd Curtain Sync (only in M mode), USB port for firmware upgrades, and (unlike the Canon system) flashes are allowed to fire before all slaves are ready (if needed), which is another good upgrade.

Full (Gr) Group Mode is also available for pre 2012 cameras, which is a huge advantage over the Canon ST-E3-RT for many 5D II & 7D etc owners, as Group Mode provides 5 groups, and allows mixed ETTL and Manual in any group. 

The YN-E3-RT can even be used with remote manual power control on non-Canon cameras (ideal for mirrorless cameras).

UPDATE - YNE3-RX receivers are also now available, allowing legacy MK II style Canon flashes like the 430 EX II and 580EX II to be combined in the RT radio system with full function. The YNE3-RX also allows manual studio lights to be fired by the RT transmitter units as well.

(Although not built in to a flash (or directly compatible with this RT system) YongNuo also have a very popular YN-622 TTL trigger system).

Compatible with – YN-E3-RT – and Canon 600EX-RT and ST-E3-RT.

Allow TTL Flash on Camera – YES
Separate Receivers Available - NO 

YN600EX-RT – Amazon, UKEbay, YongNuo EbayAdorama
YN-E3-RT – Amazon, UKEbayYongNuo Ebay, Adorama
YNE3-RX – AmazonYN Amazon, UKEbay, YongNuo Ebay

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 Pixel Flash Light PERMALINK

Pixel X800C

Flash around – $155.  Tx around – $75 – FULL REVIEW – X800CKING PRO

Canon – Nikon

– Canon Available – Nikon Coming

The Pixel X800C have Radio Master and Slave Modes built in compatible with Pixel’s own RF radio system, also used with the King Pro and King X TTL transceivers.

The X800C’s Master interface currently follows Canon’s Optic Wireless functions quite closely, and therefore can not mix ETTL and Manual Groups. The King Pro used as transmitter unit though does provide a full Group style interface with more control.

Range between the Master and Slave X800C flash units is comparable to the Canon RT system, and most TTL trigger systems. Though again with the Pixel King Pro used as transmitter that range can increase around 50%.

King Pro and King X used as receivers also allow other Canon MK II style flashes to be combined in the system with full function.

Compatible with – King Pro & King X

Allow TTL Flash on Camera – YES
Separate Receivers Available - YES 

X800C Canon – Ebay, Amazon, UK.
King Pro Canon – AmazonUKEbay
King Pro Nikon – AmazonUKEbay

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Pixel – Website

 Phottix Mitros + PERMALINK

Phottix Mitros+

Flash Around – $400 – Tx (& Rx) Odin Set around $330 – OVERVIEW

Canon – Nikon – Sony

The Phottix Mitros+ flash unit combines the very reliable Phottix Odin TTL transceiver (transmitter and receiver) into the flash. As well as a manual Strato II receiver. Apart from the QFlash system, the Phottix Mitros+ are currently the only system offering a serious alternative to Canon’s RT system, while also providing separate manual or TTL receiver options, which can be one of the main limitations of the Canon system otherwise.

Extra features include 2nd Curtain Sync in manual and TTL, and full function with pre 2012 camera bodies (allowing mixed TTL and Remote Manual Groups), which is a big bonus for the many Canon 5D II etc owners.

But most significantly the Mitros+ provide a number of separate TTL and manual receiver options for firing extra manual studio lights, and non RT TTL speedlites (like the Canon 580EX II etc). This is very significant for many wedding and event photographers because it allows reliable direct flash on camera mounting, without extra transmitter units or pass through hotshoe on the camera. Reliable Strato II receivers are from just $50, and Atlas II provide up to 350 meter range.

For Nikon and Sony owners the Mitros+ will be a major bonus, as those companies do not currently offer their own radio based flash system at all yet.

The Mitros+ offers similar high build quality, and most of the important features of the top end Canon and Nikon flashes, and at reduced price. Power is slightly less (actually quite similar direct, but up to 1/2 a stop less bounced), and recycle times are similar, from around 2.6 seconds at full power without a battery pack. Zoom is from 24-105mm. FP HSS, HV external battery port, optic slave modes, and 3.5mm sync port.

Compatible with – Phottix Odin Tx – Rx, Strato II Tx – Rx, and Atlas II Rx.

Allow TTL Flash on Camera – YES
Separate Receivers Available - YES 

Mitros+ –  Amazon  UK  B&H Photo  Adorama  Phottix
Odin –  Amazon  UK  B&H Photo  Adorama  Phottix

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Mitros + compared to the Canon 600EX-RT –

Advantage MITROS +

 

+ Manual receiver options for firing other manual speedlights and studio lights.
+ TTL Odin receiver option for firing most Canon EX flashes (not just the 600EX-RT).
+ Reliable direct flash on camera mounting, without extra transmitter or pass through hotshoe.
+ Quality reliable manual Strato II receivers from just $50.
+ Quality long range Atlas II manual receivers allow up to 350 meter range.

+ Full function (mix ETTL & remote manual) with most Canon DSLRs (not just 2012 models onward).
+ Second Curtain Sync function for off camera flashes.
+ Range between Mitros + units reportedly quite long (yet to be confirmed).
+ USB port for firmware udates.
+ Battery level indicator.
+ memory for 3 user profiles.
+ 3.5 mm sync jack.
+ Can be fired by fully manual Strato II transmitter (which has 4 quick select groups).
+ Cleaner simple LCD screen interface (subjective).

+ Lower price – Mitros + around $400 vs $550 for 600EX-RT.
+ Lower price – Odin TX with a receiver $320 vs $290 for ST-E3 TX alone.
+ 2 year warranty (vs 1 year for the  600EX-RT).

 

Advantage 600EX-RT

 

+ Power – similar direct, bounced 600EX-RT is up to around 1/2 stop more, depending on flash zoom etc.
+ Recycle time – similar, but current Mitros has heavier overheat protection (may be revised).

+ 20 – 200mm zoom (vs 24 – 105mm for the Mitros +).
+  5 groups (vs 3 groups for the Mitros +).
+ Highly dust and weather sealed.
+ Flash recycle ready feedback on the transmitter from remote flashes.
+ LCD screen backlight color option of green or orange (can be used to indicate master and slave units).
+ Gel holder, with color and exposure information transmitted to the camera.
+ Larger more detailed LCD screen (subjective).
+ No adapter needed for external battery pack socket (as Mitros + requires).
+ 15 channels + an auto channel option (vs 4 channels for the Mitros +).
+ Full Canon 1DX compatibility (Odin and other 3rd party radio systems still have some issues there).
+ Paid repairs are possible at local Canon service centers.

Mitros + –  Amazon  UK  Adorama  Phottix
Odin –  Amazon  UK  Adorama  Phottix

Phottix – Website

 Canon 600EX-RT PERMALINK

Canon 600EX-RT & ST-E3

600EX-RT – $500  ST-E3-RT – $290

Canon – version only available

In march 2012 Canon became the first camera manufacturer to introduce a radio based wireless flash system, with transmitter and receiver built into the new 600EX-RT Speedlites. As well as the new low profile ST-E3-RT  transmitter unit with matching interface. The RT offer up to 5 groups, ETTL, Remote Manual, and HSS to 1/8000th.

With 2012 cameras onward you have access to a Nikon style GR group interface, which allows mixed ETTL and Manual in any group, while adjusting FEC or manual power in 1/3rd stops for each group.

For many wedding and event photographers the big advantage over third party radio options is the solid direct flash on camera mounting, avoiding flimsy pass through hotshoes or additional transmitter units on the camera. No extra transmitters, receivers, cords or batteries to manage.

Limitations include a lack of separate receiver option to trigger other manual flashes or studio lights, (let alone remote control them). No AF focus assist light on the ST-E3-RT, and no Second Curtain Sync available off camera, (which many cheaper 3rd party options already provide). The large clear LCD is nice, though the interface its still more fiddly than the instant access to basic adjustments many photographers would prefer. The convenience of a reliable integrated system though makes the RT a very convenient options for many wedding and event photographers. Though other options are now providing solutions which address limitations in the Canon system.

Allow TTL Flash on Camera – YES
Separate Receivers Available - NO 

600EX-RT – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
ST-E3-RT – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama

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Canon Website – 600EX-RT – ST-E3-RT .

600EX-RT – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
ST-E3-RT – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama 

 Quantum QFlash PERMALINK

Quantum QFlash

Around – Trio $ – TD5R $ – Pilot $440 – CoPilot $200

Universal & Canon – Nikon - versions available

Qflash bare bulb flashes have been popular with wedding and event photographers due to the higher power, no overheating, and larger/softer light source of the bare bulb flashes.

The Quantum system has a number of options, with TTL and HSS capabple commander units built into the Qflash Trio for flash on camera, and remote slaves. Or the similar Pilot commander without a flash head, and more compact CoPilot with quick analogue adjustment dials and built in AF assist light. Up to 3 groups with full HSS, TTL, Ratios, and mixed Remote Manual and TTL groups.

Quantum make serious gear, and they were well ahead of Canon with radio transmitter and receivers built in to the flash units, as well as AF assist lights on the commander units (which PocketWizard AC3 and Canon ST-E3 still lack for example).

More detail to come…

Compatible with – Pilot, CoPilot, FreeXwire

Allow TTL Flash on Camera – YES
Separate Receivers Available - YES 

Allow Flash on Camera – Yes – if a Qflash Trio is used as a master

CoPilot – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
Pilot     – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
FreeXwire – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
QLINK      – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama

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CoPilot – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
Pilot     – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
FreeXwire – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama
QLINK      – AmazonUKEbayB&H PhotoAdorama

Website – Quantum 

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See also –
TTL & REMOTE MANUAL RADIO TRIGGER GUIDE
MANUAL RADIO TRIGGER GUIDE

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36 Comments
  1. Amir 3 years ago

    Great guide! It was about time someone would put together all the information in one place with all the new developments.

  2. Staffan 3 years ago

    Any news about the yn560-RT and 603 II? I’, really looking forward to their release!

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      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Staffan,

      The RF-603 II are being assembled at the moment and should be available any time now. The YN-E3-RT should be available this month. The YN-560-TX is not due until December. Thanks.

  3. Marcel 3 years ago

    Build-in radios as title and then external receivers also included in the item is at least a bit conflicting with the title.

    It would be nice if there would come some kind of agreement on protocols to be independent of the different brands. There is explosion of devices on the moment of no none of them can talk to each other.

    Sadly is PocketWizard slow in updating their devices to new camera’s, not helped in any way by the makers of flashes, and not really innovative lately.

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      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Marcel,

      Yes external receivers are not technically built in, but these are receivers that plug in to the side of the flash, and do not require any batteries. They also belong to systems which are very likely to have transmitter units built in to flashes as well (if not already).

      The reason they are plug in receivers is so that they can be replaced and updated easily, and also optional expense. So I would hate to not include or discourage that. It would be good if some of the receiver modules were more integrated in to the flash design though.
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      I think there is very little chance of any co-operation between brands. Many companies do not even have integration between their own products as yet. I have just been trying to ask that they be mindful of integrating other transmitters (in the way of sync-out port, and pass through hotshoes) as most lights are having there own receives built in now, so not allowing for extra transmitters is a bit like not putting a sync port in a camera.

      Companies can either use this as an opportunity to block each other out as much as possible, and inconvenience their customers in the process (as Canon have done by not providing any separate RT receiver options for example), or help to make their systems as user friendly as possible, with confidence people would prefer to buy their most conveniently integrated gear anyway.
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      Yes PocketWizard haven’t released anything new in this area for a long time, it will be interesting to see if they come up with something in the near future.

  4. john h 3 years ago

    Great job!!!!!! well appreciated……… Keep up the great work my man!!!!

    Cant wait for my yn e3 rt :)

  5. plevyadophy 3 years ago

    Use of existing flash
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    Sorry for being a bit dim here but what are my best system choices?:

    I have a Canon 580EX II, 2 x Metz Canon compatible flash, and a Nissin Canon compatible gun.

    I am NOT prepared to part with them (but I don’t mind adding another manufacturer’s gun to the mix)

    I want radio remote triggering (and control, if possible e.g. altering FEC etc)

    I want compatibility with my existing flash guns.

    I want AF assist (if possible) and I don’t want to have to have a flash atop my hotshoe to get it (unless absolutely necessary).

    And I would much prefer TTL capable radio systems (but willing to accept manual only if the system has good features e.g. remote power control of my existing guns).

    So what set up would you recommend (existing or in the pipeline)?

    Thanks in advance.

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      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Plevyadophy –

      It depends on which model Metz and Nissin flashes you have. Mixing third party gear is always tricky, and some combinations are just never going to be possible. The original Canon flashes are generally fine.

      If you’re after an AF assist light on a transmitter, that really narrows down the options currently to just the YN-622C (or YN-622C-TX once that’s available). You may be able to check your flash compatibility – here.

      If your interested in the YN-E3-RT (& YN-600EX-RT) its a matter of whether or not YongNuo are going to make a TTL receiver available (for the older 580ex II etc).

      A lot of people are currently in that situation, and all I can suggest is to tell YongNuo you need to know whether or not they will have an RT receiver, otherwise you can’t know where to part with your money ! :-)
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  6. iTuner 3 years ago

    I have a small addition:
    Phottix (Odin and Mitros +) is fundamentally not support Flash YongNuo and most likely will not support the flash from PIXEL
    PIXEL do not plan to implement support for Phottix flashes.

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      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Thanks iTuner,

      That’s a good point. One interesting thing is the Mitros appear to work ok with the YN-622C (but not the YN-568EX with the Odin etc).

      But mixing third party gear has never been ideal. If it was I would have to change this site name to Flash-Joy instead :-)

      That’s one thing built in radio will help to reduce, flash to trigger compatibility. Its just combining flash systems now that can get tricky.
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      • Jeromy 3 years ago

        Hi,

        is it really true you can’t use a YN-568 with the Odin system? Maybe I’m rembering wrongly, but I think a friend of mine does just that (Nikon versions)?!

        Yours
        Jer

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 years ago

          Hi Jeromy,

          I have heard something similar with the Nikon version. It definitely doesn’t work with the Canon versions though.

          Its highly possible it will have some quirks though. I personally certainly wouldn’t buy either in the hope they will co-operate though.

          Ironically the Phottix Mitros Flash seems to work ok on the YN-622 from most reports. Its the YongNuo flashes mainly that don’t follow the Canon/Nikon protocols so well.

          But again most issue people run into are when trying to mix third party gear like this. If you can avoid it its a good chance it will save you hassles down the track. Thanks.

  7. the Flasher 3 years ago

    Exciting times ahead!

    I’m patiently waiting for Yongnuo to release their new gear

    It’s the end of my wedding photography season and I have 2 broken 550EXs and a metz 54MZ 3 that need replacing!!!

    Yongnuo pleaaasssseeeee take my money!!!!!!!

    I beg you……… :)

  8. Hamster 3 years ago

    Yes, I’m hanging out for the YN-E3-RT and YN600EX-RT too, they’re perfect for a project I want to get on and do.

  9. Jacques 3 years ago

    Shouldn’t the Triopo TR-850EX be on this list?

    • Armin 3 years ago

      Maybe also the MeiKe MK570.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 3 years ago

        Thanks, yes the Triopo and Meike will likely be added to the list.

        I need to test the Triopo properly first though, and I’d like to hear anyone else’s experience with these as well, as they are built to a pretty low price.

        Similar with the Meike, they seem to be built a little better, but the MK570 flash is not available yet, and the Meiki triggers don’t really have a solid track record like the others mentioned.

  10. scott villalobos 3 years ago

    So my question is this. Will the Yongnuo YN-E3-RT have remote strobe zoom head adjust-ability, or will I still have to walk up to the OCF’s and do it manually?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Scott,

      At this stage there is no remote zoom function like the YN-622 etc has, as the Canon RT system does not currently support that.

      Lianggc (the YN lead engineer) did make a comment elsewhere though that he thought this was not a highly desired feature. So there may be some possibility this could be implemented as an extra feature (if enough people make it known that this would be important to them). Thanks.

      • iTuner 3 years ago

        As far as I understood, the problem is that the zooming is not possible only with flashes Canon 600EX RT
        But zooming can be implemented for a bunch of YN-E3-RT and YN-600EX-RT
        And if it does not conflict with the protocol Canon RT, then we’ll see these features in real life :)

  11. Chris Norris 3 years ago

    Just bought a Panasonic G6 with nice built in wifi control of Pany FL360l flash. Are there any non OEM guns which will work with the G6 allowing full off camera TTL control?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Chris,

      Not that I am aware of at this stage unfortunately. Thanks.

  12. Betina 3 years ago

    Hi! Do you know if the Yongnuo battery pack SF18 is compatible with the 560-III flash? With that – and the 560TX you mention – it will be a great set of gear!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Betina,

      Yes the SF-18 will work with the YN-560 III.

      The Pixel TD-381 are generally the preferred inexpensive 8 Cell pack though, as they have twin charging circuits, and recycle pretty fast. Thanks.

  13. mark 3 years ago

    It’s amazing how fast this field is moving and growing. It will be interesting to see how many times you have to add to or update this list in 2014.

  14. Class A 3 years ago

    Hi,

    fyour overview lists are really helpful!

    Perhaps it is worth mentioning that the RF60 also has an HSS mode (requires optical triggering on a pre-flash or combination with an HSS-capable trigger though), that an external power pack can half its recycling speed and double its battery life, and that the V6 (as well as RF60 master) can remote control the zoom settings of slave RF60s.

  15. Arsha 3 years ago

    Great article! I have been looking for a portable lightning system. Is it possible to combine Nikon SB910, SB800 with some other brand flashes to reduce the cost that can provide TTL mode and are adjustable through a single unit on the camera. I am looking for a wireless solution that can work in the TTL mode. Phototix odin models seems to work but would Nikon compatible unit will work on another brand camera.Thanks

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Arsha,

      Thanks for that, the Radiopopper PX can work with Canon or Nikon with TTL. And the cheaper version Aokatec AK-TTL can work with Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax, and Olympus TTL systems.

      Both of those triggers above are an optic to radio bridge. Simply converting the manufacturers optic wireless system into radio transmission, and then back into optic signal at the flash end.

      The Phottix Odin and all the other regular TTL radio triggers for Nikon do not work on other model cameras with TTL. And for Remote Manual only on other cameras only the PocketWizard TT1/TT5 and AC3 zone controller can currently do this. The Phottix Odin, YN-622N, and Pixel King Pro for Nikon will not work in Remote Manual on other cameras. They will all simply fire the flashes though. Thanks.

  16. Jason K 3 years ago

    Is there a system for Sony A [FF mirrorless] cameras that will allow off camera wireless TTL or HSS or HSS only at the very least? Looking to buy into something… I see that the Phottix may have something but they don’t seem to advertise the wireless HSS or TTL capabilities of their triggers that I can see.

  17. Yuppa 2 years ago

    In my opinion, Yongnuo OWNS the manual radio flash market now that their 560-TX has been released (this page could stand for an update in the regard).

    http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yn560-tx-revealed/

    The 560 III/IV flash / 560-TX combo is just super hard to beat for price/performance.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people are still afraid/intimidated by manual flash despite the fact that they can see results INSTANTLY on the back of their cameras. I wish they could try flash back in the film era (TTL flash was a God send) when you had to wait DAYS to get your slides back to see the results.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Thanks Yuppa,

      Yes the guides need an update pretty badly now. I’m getting to that… slowly :-)

  18. Milko 2 years ago

    Hi, slightly out of date, but still a great overview, thanks for putting it together!

    I was wondering, is there something similar to the 560-TX/560 III combo,
    that supports HSS? Cactus V6+RF60 perhaps? 560-TX+568EX maybe?

    Do you have anything in mind that might do that?

    Thanks,

    Milko

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Milko,

      If you want fully automated HSS, the YN622 are the way to go for an inexpensive option. Shanny SN600C or SN600N flashes will save a few dollars over the YN-568EX as well (you need full TTL and HSS compatible flashes for this).

      There is another option called a HSS sympathy mode. And the Godox V850, Cactus RF60, and all the Shanny flashes also have this feature. Its not as automated as the regular TTL style HSS above, in that it does not turn on and off automatically as you go above / below x-sync with the camera shutter speed. And you still need a way to trigger it, which generally requires a YN-622 or similar TTL / HSS enabled transmitter on the camera. The sympathy mode often provides more power, but its generally limted to around 10 consecutive shots or so.

      HSS requires 2 things. The flash to pulse, effectively creating a long flash duration, and a pre-sync signal that starts the flash firing before the cameras first shutter starts to open. A flash with HSS sympathy mode just pulses the flash. Its up to you then to find a method of getting the pre-sync signal. And that’s where some type of TTL / HSS radio transmitter is generally needed on the camera.

      The Godox V860C is one flash that has regular HSS, and a HSS sympathy mode called H-mode, you can read more about the positives and negatives of each in the V860C review here under HSS & H-Mode.

      In general the regular TLL HSS with YN-622 is more practical, but for larger (otherwise manual) bare bulb flashes like the Godox Witstro etc, the H-Mode can be quite useful.

  19. Milko 2 years ago

    Thanks for the informative reply!
    YN622 seems like the best trigger ever, and the YN622TX even more so.

    Could I ask a follow up, I couldn’t find the answer online,
    why none of the wireless HSS options work with the MFT systems?
    There are wireless HSS flashes for MFT and cameras with HSS support, yet
    there aren’t any transceivers to connect them?

    (Yes, I gave in some time ago)

    Thanks!

  20. TRC 2 years ago

    Any rumors out there for a built in radio flash system for m43? Or remote TTL radio triggers? Im switching from a Canon system to Olympus and going from built in radio to the line of site remote TTL feels like I’m going from a Ferrari to a Subaru…

  21. Gordon Court 2 years ago

    I was able to get HSS at all powers, but if you don’t have a snoot on the light and have it pointed right at the subject you won’t be able to get it to light much. I was at 500 shutter speed with f5.6 and 100 ISO, and got some great photo’s of my dogs and a drill just for practice… I started out at 1/32 exposure and barely saw them, then went up to 1/1 and blew them out at about 4 feet away. I then settled on 1/16 power and moved the lights around a bit to get the best coverage and lighting. I was using a Gary Fong Snoot on each light with the grid on the right side. I then added a second light without the grid on the left for some fill. I was just using the radio controller for the Newer lights, but had my Pixel King transmitter on the camera which sends HSS and TTL info to the reciever, I then had the remote for the Neewer on the Pixel King Reciever and had them all set on HSS. I set the camera on Wireless Flash, and shot away. At 1/32 power, I could shoot hold down sequences at Low repeat speeds of about 4 frames per second and the flashes kept up fine. I’ve heard in normal sync speeds and 1/16 power it will keep up with the full 11fps of the a6000. I tried it last night and it worked.

    Here is a link to some of the shots.

    https://www.facebook.com/gordoncourtmusic/media_set?set=a.819158234810000.1073741899.100001474925636&type=1&pnref=story

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