New YN-622-TX – has Manual SuperSync Timing Adjustment!

Move over PocketWizard, YongNuo are set to bring adjustable SuperSync timing to the masses.

Russian blog YN622.RU first picked this up, and I have now confirmed it with YongNuo. The coming YN-622-TX for Canon and Nikon, will have a manual timing adjustment added to the current SuperSync feature.

SuperSync (SS) allows high camera shutter speeds up to 1/8000th to be used with suitable manual studio lights. And the added timing adjustment greatly increases the usefulness of this feature by allowing the best results possible to be tuned in.

This can mean a cleaner frame, with less, or no shutter showing in the image. Or simply more light available in the frame (sometime up to a stop or more extra) than the standard timing.

 

YongNuo YN-622N-TX

SuperSync relies on flash units with long flash durations, so results will depend on the lights used, as well as the camera used. Full frame cameras with large sensors and slow shutters like the Canon 5D series are unfortunately the hardest to get good results with, though lights with long enough flash durations can still achieve clean frames all the way to 1/8000th.

A flash pulse from a studio strobe may look very fast, but its actually often a relatively long process, consisting of a bright initial burst, followed by a long slow exponential decline (or long tail of light).

Duration curve Full Power

SuperSync then use an early Pre-Sync signal to fire the flash just before the first shutter starts opening. So the peak of the flash pulse goes off just before the shutter starts opening. The long tail of light then lights the rest of the frame as the shutter slit moves across.

 

Phottix Odin ODS Over X-Sync

 

You can see a full explanation of the long duration sync method in the post here, detailing the Phottix Odin ODS, which is a similar timing adjustment also recently added to the Odin TTL triggers.

 

The SuperSync timing adjustment is also great news for owners of the popular new Cheetah and Godox AD180 and AD360 bare bulb flashes which have a unique HSS (High Speed Sync) feature.

Particularly for Nikon owners, as Godox does not currently have a transmitter available to enable the HSS mode with Nikon cameras as yet. But even with Canon, the timing adjustment can provide around a stop more light in the frame than using the standard YN-622C.

 More detail on the coming YongNuoYN-622-TX transmitter can be seen here.

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53 Comments
  1. the Flasher 4 years ago

    Yongnuo you are my hero!

  2. Armin 4 years ago

    Yeah! Now a 568 with integrated 622 please 🙂 And my money is yours.

  3. the Flasher 4 years ago

    “Alexander from YN622.RU also mentioned from what he understands the coming flagship YN-E3-ST transmitter will also have this feature. ”

    This is interesting…… YN-E3-ST has SuperSync Timing Adjustment!!!!!

    So what Rx is it going to send its signal too????

    Does this mean there is some compatibility with the 622s ???

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      UPDATE – Sorry YongNuo have confirmed “There is no plan to support SuperSync on YN-E3-RT currently.”

      The good news though is the YN-622-TX will allow individual SuperSync timing adjustment for each group. Meaning different light types can be used, and all still tuned to their maximum potential (up to 3 different types).

    • Lexander 4 years ago

      Unfortunately my assumption was wrong.

      I do not know all the details but as I understand the problem is only that there is no possibility of creating a separate control delay for each group.
      Maybe it is possible to make the overall adjustment? 🙂

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 4 years ago

        Hi Lexander,

        Thanks, yes an overall adjustment would still be much much better than no adjustment.

        Of course that still relies on there being a receiver available 🙂
        .

        • Alexander 4 years ago

          Even a simple RX-RT (no TTL) would be very useful. but this is only a dream.

          Now I have the urge to try to make a clean frame (without gradients) with three studio flashes. I look forward to release 622 TX.

  4. Kris 4 years ago

    Shut up and take my money.

  5. Anthony Baker 4 years ago

    Do you have a possible release date for the YN:622c Rx yet?

  6. Charles Farrah 4 years ago

    So does this mean that I’ll be able to use shutter speeds higher than the sync speed (up to1/8000th) on my Canon 5d mark iii with my alien bees?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      Hi Charles,

      The Alienbees still have a fairly quick flash durations, so the 1600 and 3200 will work the best. But even then there may be some shutter showing in the frame at various shutter speeds with the 5DIII. Thanks.

  7. Joao 4 years ago

    Hi,
    Any word about release date for 622c Tx?

    Thanks.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      Hi Joao,

      The YN-622C-TX are not due until December, after the Nikon version. And YN are quite a way behind on release of the RF-603 II, and now YN-ST-E3, so at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the 622-TX is possibly delayed as well. Thanks.

      • Brian Hursey 4 years ago

        Already told my wife im getting the YN622C-TX when they come out. Cant wait.

      • Joao 4 years ago

        Thanks Elv…

  8. Charles Farrah 4 years ago

    Hi Flash, thanks for the quick response. I’ve noticed a weird phenomena when using the 622s with my alien bees at a shutter speed of 200. At this speed I’ll occasionally get a frame with a really strong green tint. I always shoot in raw. This never happens when I use 602s. Only the 622s.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      Hi Charles,

      This does actually ring a bell, someone has mentioned something like this a while back now. Unfortunately I don’t know what the cause or resolution was there. Definitely try a factory reset on all the triggers though, if you haven’t done that already. And clean all the shoe and foot contacts with some Isopropyl alcolhol or similar. Maybe try swapping the transmitters around if possible too.

      There are sample images to some of the results you could expect to achieve with the Pre-Sync timing and Alienbees (you were asking about earlier) on the PocketWizard site here. The Einstein, AB1600 and WL3200 are shown there so far. Thanks.

  9. Charles Farrah 4 years ago

    Thanks again, love this site!

  10. Gareth 4 years ago

    I am really interested in these with the supersync timing, what is the smallest receiver I can put on my studio lights to work with these and supersync?

  11. Gareth 4 years ago

    I just saw the RF-601. I wonder if it will work with the 622-tx. If it is capable it should be OK.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      Hi Gareth,

      Sorry the YN-622 are not currently directly compatible with any other triggers. So you would need a YN-622 as receiver. Thanks.

      • Gareth 4 years ago

        Suck, I will have to mention this lack to them. I don’t want a 622 hanging off my studio pack.

  12. Armin 4 years ago

    Waiting…

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 4 years ago

      Unfortunately I think you’re looking at 2014 now.

      • Armin 4 years ago

        Thanks for the Update. What wonders me is that nothing of the scheduled new items is available at Yongnuo (Canon RX system, 603 II, 622TX). OK, good things need time…

  13. james moro 3 years ago

    does anyone have any info on how to use the manual timing adjustments?

    i’ve yet to find any literature on it.

    also, has anyone successfully super synced a b1600 using a d800 + the yn 622n tx?

    i’ve read about people doing it with the 622c tx, but haven’t had any luck getting it to work with my d800…

  14. George Christofi 3 years ago

    If i have 622n tx with sb 900 on fuji xt1 can i control the power manual?

    George

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi George,

      No, not with the Nikon version YN-622N-TX. These use the flashes in TTL mode, even when using remote manual power settings. So its not a simple task to allow remote power control using non Nikon dedicated cameras.

      The Canon system is quite different, and its highly possible the coming YN-622C-TX will allow remote manual power control on other cameras. Thanks.

  15. James 3 years ago

    I am curious how this unit’s super sync compares to pocket wizards Hypersync they sound very similar with the exception that the Hypersync is not manually tunable (YET).

  16. Adam dove 3 years ago

    I have the yn-622n-tx on my d600. With normal sync I can control flash power via transmitter but in super sync I can only change camera settings such as shutter speed, ISO etc. even in the camera commander mode I can’t change power. Same with manual mode.
    So am I correct in saying that the only way to use super sync is by having flash at full power and by changing shutter speed etc. ??? Thanks

    • Nick 2 years ago

      Hi Adam, i want to try if the 622n tx works for my D600. Right now i can photograph at 160th of a second with my skyport an elinchroms. Above 160th i will see shadows / banding.
      Did you try the 622 with studio flash heads above 250th shutter?

      Thanks,

      Nick

  17. Thomas Boyd 3 years ago

    I have a Speedotron 2401B with a 102 head and as far as I can tell has a very slow flash duration of 1/225 at full power and 1/1200 at low power.

    It seems to me based on my limited understanding of this that the SuperSync feature would work well with HSS.

    Am I on the right track?

  18. Crazie 3 years ago

    I have a simple setup : D610 with Yn565ex, Yn568ex and Yn622n/TX..

    My problem is not knowing how to stop pre flashes from the speedlights while in TTL mode.
    My understanding is that the speedlight must be in TTL mode to receive commands
    thruough the YN622N. Is this correct ?

    If so; while in TTL mode, S2 cannot be set and the speedlight will always pre flash
    causing havoc with my Sekonic light meter 🙁
    Can someone please proof me wrong !

  19. Benjamin Kanarek 3 years ago

    Hello,

    Will Super Sync work using my Multiblitz Compact Lites Monobloc Studio Flashes on my Nikon D800? That would be miraculous as I just ordered it to use with my speed light, but if I can use it on my compact flash mono bloc that would save me a lot of money.

  20. Benjamin Kanarek 3 years ago

    Has anyone used the Yongnuo YN-622N-TX in Super Sync mode yet. I want to know if it will work on my Monobloc Multiblitz studio flashes. Now that would be awesome.

  21. Richard 3 years ago

    I have been testing these the Canon version and I also have 2 622’s I can not see any change in setting the delay adjustments on the 622-tx at all. I tried with Einstein ( no luck at Hypersync at all) White Lightening (no luck as well) and Speedotron 1205cx with a 202vf head I was able to get some hypersync but had to be shooting at 2.8 to get much exposure. I am going to try my dynalite as well. Anyone have any luck changing the delay in the 622-tx?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 years ago

      Hi Richard,

      I have the SS delay setting working no problems, but there were some comments like this on the POTN forum a number of weeks ago.

      Unfortunately there was no real answer to why some people could not see any changes with the adjustment. It didn’t appear to be an issue related to a particular camera etc.

      If you think it could be just your flashes have too short a duration, try using a speedlite connected to the YN-622C receiver via PC sync cord. At full power they should light most of the frame without any timing adjustment. And adding some SS delay should see the shutter move into the frame.

  22. kid 2 years ago

    can i control the power output, flash head zoom, etc of yn 560 III flashguns with this transmitter just like the 560tx do? planning to get one of this coz our batch of 560tx available here in the store shelves has an issue of battery door. i got 3 items of 560 tx -nikon returned to the store where i’ve purchased.
    thanks

  23. nixland 2 years ago

    But even with Canon, the timing adjustment can provide around a stop more light in the frame than using the standard YN-622C”

    How come??

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi nixland,

      When using the long duration method the flash pulse has a long tail which gradually tapers off, so a slightly different timing can catch the light further down the tail where its not as bright.

      When using the flash pulsing method as the Godox Witstro flashes do, I’m not really sure how the timing adjustment catches more light, though it definitely can make a difference. The only thing changing is the fire signal timing, so somehow its catching more or less light at a slightly different time.

  24. Aung 2 years ago

    Godox QT Strobe cannot HSS with Canon 5D mark3?
    I already tested with Cell II and FT-16.

  25. JLL 1 year ago

    SS works with my Elinchrom BRX500 ! Even at 1/8000° !

  26. Danny 12 months ago

    So let me get this straight – If I wanted to use the Yongnuo 622 receivers with this new 622tx controller (and I assume also a trigger?) with Yongnuo 568s AND a Godox Wistro AD360ii I could? And it would support HSS?

    This sounds too good to be true. My Credit Card is getting very nervous…

  27. Gilang 8 months ago

    i have tested yn622c TX and yn622c plugged via ad360 PCchord
    and set the TX on SS mode and it work’s well no black bar at all
    The only thing that make me unsatisfied it was reduce the power so much, it same like use HSS mode
    1. Is it how SS works? that still reduce the power of flash ( like HSS system )?
    2. Does Pocket Wizard TT5 + Mini TT1 hyper sync works the same?

  28. Matt S. 7 months ago

    I came scross this thread and am wondering how high of a shutter people are getting using super/hyper sync at full power with the Yongnuo 622, not reduced power as is the case with HSS & some of the examples here. Also, I was hoping the newer 605 would have that SS adjustment but so far it appears it does not.

    I have 2- Witstro 360’s and a 180 but really want to use my older Bowens 750 strobes to blast buildings while killing ambient with my shutter. Optimally I want around 1/500. I could actually live with a little black banding and crop it out.

    This article says t.5 is 1/650 & t.1 is 1/200. It also says the duration of the (Bowens Prolites/Calumet Travelites) are longer as it’s powered down which makes no sense to me and is also contrary to what’s in this thread.

    I’m using a Fuji X Series and really need to hit 1/500 at f8 with 200 ISO (the lowest ISO for Fuji when shooting raw).

    Any input is greatly appreciated as I’ve been reading on this for days now lol

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 7 months ago

      Hi Matt S,

      The YN-622 can not do Supersync with Fuji cameras. You would need to look at the Cactus V6 IIs for that instead.

      I’m not familiar with the Bowens Prolites / Calumet Travelites, though they appear to be voltage controlled flashes which have their fastest duration at full power (1/1000s). So you may need to reduce the power a bit to get a clean frame.

      • Matt S. 7 months ago

        Thanks so much for the response. So the V6 ll’s are my only option?

        Not even the Godox X1 will do it? At least it would pair up better with my 360’s.

      • Matt Sweadner 7 months ago

        I even slept on it and still cannot wrap my head around why the timing adjustment will not work when using a Fuji body 🙁 Is it because mirrorless shutters work differently than dslr shutters?

        I’m not trying to do HSS, I want to do supersync, hypersync or powersync as Cactus calls it.

        Speaking of Cactus. I’ve heard good things about them but damn they’re expensive compared to the Yongnuo and Godox triggers. I have a 2nd chance offer to buy 1 622 trigger and 3 receivers for $60 on eBay but that ends tonight. The Godox X1 has the timing adjustment as well and there are plenty of bargains for it. I actually like the hot shoe on top of the X1 (and V6). Those V6 ll’s are $95 each and for that price I’m inclined to stick with an ND filter to help kill ambient and double up on my strobes to compensate for the filter.

        Any help on what I’m missing is greatly appreciated.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 7 months ago

          For Long Duration Sync (Supersync) you need the same early fire signal (before the cameras first shutter starts to open) as you do with HSS.

          The timing adjustment just lets you fine tune that early fire signal a little more by adding a slight delay. But you need a way to get that fire signal before the shutter actually starts opening first.

          Edit – My mistake, Fuji do have a HSS enabled speedlite available now, just no off camera radio HSS at this stage.

          I wrote something of an explanation on HSS and Long Duration Sync in the Phottix Odin post here. There are also some nice graphic descriptions on the Elinchrom website now.

          I’m not sure of anyone other than Cactus that have provided HSS with Fuji at this stage.

          • Matt Sweadner 7 months ago

            Thanks so much Elv. I understand this so much better now. That article you referenced is terrific.

            For some reason I thought I needed to delay, not advance the firing of the lights (duh, lol). Now I understand why you recommended the Cactus.

            Your article seemed to suggest using an ND filter unless I need to stop action but I’m thinking it’s better for me to use the super/hyper method if I can so I don’t have to nuke my subject (houses). In a perfect world, I’ll be able to reach 1/500 or even 1/1000 and use 3-360’s to light the house and then pop it with my 180 (or another 360). Yeah, I’m into full blown light layering on steroids lol.

            I have what I hope to be one last question if I’m not being too needy lol.

            Do you suppose I can use the V6 ll on top of the camera, then add a YN603 on top of that ( I use it as a camera remote and to fire my Bowens strobes ), then add an FT-16 on top of that to fire my 360’s? I know, it’s nuts lol. I’ve been using the FT-16 transmitter on top of a 603 which has been working pretty good. I’m just not certain if I have to use Cactus receivers on everything or if using the transmitter is enough?

            • Author
              Flash Havoc 7 months ago

              As far as I know the Cactus V6 II do pass through the pre-sync signal to the flash or transmitter mounted on top, so you should be able to use your RF-603 transmitter mounted on top.

              I would imagine the FT-16 should work mounted on top of that again.

              Each time you pass through to a transmitter mounted on top its likely to add a small delay though. Not as much delay as if you where to mount a second transmitter on a Cactus V6 II receiver for example, but even pass through hotshoes generally add a little delay. (Which may possibly even help with your Supersync results).

              • Matt S. 7 months ago

                Thanks so much for the solution Elv!

    • Ann 7 months ago

      Bowens and Calumets will sync up to 1/8000 sec.; and decreasing the power level does improve the evenness of the lighting across the frame.

      I am using mine successfully with the YN 622n and YN 622n-TX in conjunction with a Nikon D5 and with SS set to “Auto”.

      When using Speedlights, I set the D5 to use a one-second Shutter Delay which allows my Sekonic L-358 to reset itself after any preflash and then measure the main flash correctly.

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