PHOTTIX – LASO – Canon RT TTL Triggers Released

PHOTTIX LASO

 

UPDATE – Phottix have now officially release the Laso TTL Flash Triggers for Canon, which are directly compatible with the 2.4GHz Canon RT radio system.

And Laso receiver units open the Canon RT system up to including legacy non RT TTL flashes like the Canon 580EX II and 430EX II, as well as firing studio lights in the system.

The Laso are available for pre-order now from B&H Photo and Adorama for $159.95 for the Laso Transmitters, and $99.95 for the Receiver units.

 

PHOTTIX LASO TRANSMITTER

 

The Phottix Laso transmitter units resemble the form and function of Canon’s own ST-E3-RT transmitter, though the Laso also included an added AF assist light, and USB port for firmware updates.

The 2.4 GHz Laso transmitters are directly compatible with the Canon 600EX-RT and 430EX III-RT Speedlites.

 

PHOTTIX LASO

 

As well as the additional AF assist light and USB port, the Phottix Laso transmitters feature a Linked Shot shutter release port, quick locking shoe, and power via 2 AA batteries just like the original Canon ST-E3-RT.

 

PHOTTIX LASO

 

 

PHOTTIX LASO TRANSMITTER FEATURES

 

  • 2.4G two-way Canon RT compatible radio communications
  • Directly compatible with original Canon ST-E3-RT / 600EX-RT / 430EX III-RT wireless signals
  • Range up to 100 meters

 

  • HSS to 1/8000th
  • Flash Modes: ETTL /M / Multi / Gr
  • FEC / FEB – 1/3rd increments (±3 stops)
  • Manual Flash – 1/128 – 1/1 (in 1/3rd increments)
  • 5 Groups (in GR mode) ( A / B / C / D / E )
  • Up to 15 off camera flashes possible
  • 15 Physical Channels, 1 Automatic Channel
  • Device IDs – ID0000~ID9999
  • Modelling Light
  • 8 Custom Functions & 4 Personal Functions
  • Auto-save function

 

  • High-Resolution Dot Matrix LCD Screen
  • AF Assist Light
  • USB Port for Firmware Updates
  • Wireless Shutter Release Port / Linked Shot
  • Quick Lever Locking foot
  • Power : 2 AA batteries

 

Canon RT Radio Compatibility :

  • CANON : ST-E3-RT, 600EX-RT, 430EX III-RT

 

 

PHOTTIX LASO RECEIVERS

 

Possibly of more significance still though are the Phottix Laso TTL Receiver units.

The Laso TTL Receivers effectively open the Canon RT system up to including legacy non RT TTL flashes like the Canon 580EX II, 430EX II, and Phottix’s own Mitros and Mitros+ speedlites.

 

PHOTTIX LASO

 

The RT receiver units also allow studio lights to be fired via an RT compatible transmitter or master flash mounted on the camera hotshoe, without any extra transmitter units attached to the camera (as the Canon system alone otherwise requires).

 

PHOTTIX LASO

 

PHOTTIX LASO TRANSMITTER SPECS

 

Compatible models EOS type-A camera compatible with E-TTL II/E-TTL autoflash**
Dimensions 84.1×68.3×58.5 mm
Weight 118 g(Excluding the batteries)
Channel Auto, Ch.1-15
FEC (Flash exposure compensation) ±3 stops in 1/3- or 1/2- stop increments
Power saving Auto Idle if not operated for 5 min
Range 100m
Frequency 2.4 GHz
Power source 2 x AA alkaline batteries or AA NI-MH batteries
High Speed And Second Curtain Sync 1/8000s* , high speed sync is possible only with EOS digital cameras released since 2012
Type On-camera wireless ash trigger
AF Assist Light Yes. The AF assist beam is eective within 5m range (lens zoom range 17-105mm) measured from the center AF point.
Exposure Control System E-TTL II/E-TTL auto, manual ash, multi. flash, auto external flash metering (only when the flash mode is set to )***
Manual Flash 1/1-1/128(1/3-stop increments)
Flash Ratio Control 1:8-1:1-8:1, 1/2-stop increments
Modulation System Primary Modulation: OQPSK, Secondary Modulation: DS-SS
Wireless Radio ID 0000-9999
Slave Unit Control Up to 5 groups(A/B/C/D/E)****, up to 15 units

 

PHOTTIX LASO RECEIVER SPECS

 

Dimensions 93×70×47.5 mm (LxWxH)
Weight Approx. 93.3g
Channel Auto, Ch.1-15
Range Approx. 100m
Frequency 2.4 GHz
Power source 2x AA Alkaline Batteries or AA NI-MH Batteries; 5V DC (External Power Port)
Exposure Control System E-TTLⅡ/E-TTL auto, manual ash
Wireless Radio ID 0000-9999
Slave Unit Control Up to 5 groups(A/B/C/D/E)****, up to 15 units

 

Please note: Product specifications and external design are subject to change without notice.
* On compatible (Canon) cameras released after 2012 (excluding EOS1200D).
**ETTL auto flash is not available with EOS lm cameras and EOS 1D, EOS 1Ds.
***Multi flash is not compatible with Laso receiver.
****Group flash is not possible with cameras released before and up to 2011 (and EOS1200D), flash sync speed will be one stop slower then normal sync speed.

 

 

 

 

The Phottix Laso TTL Trigger system are likely to provide a higher quality alternative to the already available YongNuo RT transmitters and receivers.

(Though at this stage the YongNuo transmitters do provide some extra features and added compatibility with pre-2012 cameras).

At the time or writing this Phottix will be one of only 3 third party manufacturers now known to have attempted tackling the more sophisticated Canon RT TTL radio protocols.

 

With Phottix already having the larger Indra portable TTL lights in their arsenal though, as well as recently announcing collaborations with Elinchrom and Sekonic light meters, there is also a lot of potential for Phottix to possibly expand on the Canon RT system in great ways into the future.

 

PRICE AND AVAILABILITY

 

The Phottix Laso Transmitters and Receivers are available now for Pre-Order from around $159.95 and $99.95 respectively –

B&H Photo, Adorama

 

Phottix – Website

 

 

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56 Comments
  1. Niels Gram 2 years ago

    Well, the Odin II was announced a year ago and isn’t done yet. The Laso hasn’t even been announced yet… To me it would have made more sense if Phottix had added Canon -RT system support to the Odin II triggers. Maybe the radios are incompatible.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Yes the 2 systems are completely incompatible and likely on a different frequency.

      I think they would have had to create some type of dual transmitter, which is pretty unlikely to happen with 2 already quite complex systems.

      It would be very interesting if Phottix create a version of the Indra compatible with these in some form though. There are a lot of Canon RT users that would be pretty excited if the comes about.

  2. andyschulzphotography 2 years ago

    Phottix TTL HSS with Sony for Indra is missing for more than a year now!!!

  3. Niels Gram 2 years ago

    Adding Canon RT compatibility to the Indra’s would probably be a hit. I’ve had the same thought. It can’t be a major problem for Phottix now that they seem to have a receiver for the system. It must be quite simple to integrate.

  4. Donald 2 years ago

    I’ve lost trust in Phottix since they always announce and then never release things. They’re too slow; I’ve invested in other competitors and they’re too late.

  5. Alexander 2 years ago

    read the manual.
    I don’t see support camera models up to 2012
    So there is no second curtain sync.

    At this stage LASO unable to compete with the YongNuo RT.

    Maybe sometime later.
    Indra too is far from perfect.
    Phottix needs more work :)

    • Alexander 2 years ago

      sorry for my bad English

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Thanks Alexander.

      If the AF light is better than the YN-E3-RT though, it may finally be time to retire my 7D anyway :-)

      • Alexander 2 years ago

        The external transmitter is anachronistic :)
        If I were a Canon engineer, I would have built the transmitter directly into the camera :)
        Also be sure to add a button for the quick access to flash control menu and in all cameras have long to apply the touch screen.

        The question is – AF illuminator :)
        It can be charged a Chinese third-party vendors :))

      • Charlie 1 year ago

        Having tested this particular unit, I can tell you that the af assist light is the same laser-type (non-fuzzy) autofocus as on the yongnuo’s.

  6. Greg 2 years ago

    That’s a great idea – if you don’t mind changing cameras every time you change or upgrade triggers. I need two different sets of triggers with different capabilities for my studio and travel strobes.

    And having an external transmitter obviates the need for access to the camera flash menu.
    ;)

  7. Guy 2 years ago

    I, for one, would be really excited to see Indra flashes compatible with the RT Canon system.

    I’m already looking at the Indra, this would probably be the thing that would make me jump the fence.

  8. Eshan 2 years ago

    Would this be compatible with a yongnuo 600 ex rt?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Eshan,

      That really depends on how closely both companies follow the original Canon RT protocols.

      Though Phottix and YongNuo RF TTL gear are currently generally not very compatible, and Shanny have shown already their RT system is not completely compatible with YongNuo’s (while still functioning with Canon’s).

      In general I think the only relativity safe way to combine third party RT gear will be while using a genuine Canon flash or ST-E3-RT as the master / transmitter.

      Even then, the RT system does have 2 way communication, so although we haven’t seen it yet there could possibly even be issues mixing third party RT slave units later as well.

  9. Kristian 2 years ago

    Since 1 Year I´m waiting for the Odin II

    I think it would be better they work on the promises, than always talking about what they maybe will do!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Kristian,

      As I explained to JHphoto bellow, the Odin II are still being beta tested and refined at the moment. They are definitely still coming though.

      As mention, Phottix likely only announced details of the Odin II earlier because that helped to explain the full function and potential of the Indra lights (which were already becoming available at that time).

      I know waiting is no fun, though I personally think its better to have some insight on what companies have in the pipeline where possible, than total secrecy until the products are available.

  10. andy 2 years ago

    based on dpreview.com, they are available for ordering.

  11. JHphoto 2 years ago

    The Odin II was potentially some major ground breaking stuff, I am much like the others very disappointed that it appears to be a vapor ware product and that in its place is something less than satisfactory.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi JHphoto,

      The Odin II are definitely not vapor ware, they are still going through beta testing and further refinement at the moment.

      The Laso are not a replacement for the Odin II at all. Its likely just that Phottix started work on developing the Laso before the Odin II, so now they are available first.

      Phottix likely only announced details of the Odin II earlier because they helped to explain the full function and potential of the Indra lights (which were already becoming available at that time).

      • Niels Gram 2 years ago

        I fail to see any benefit of the Laso TX over the Original Canon TX. The Yongnuo on the other hand… I’ve used the Yongnuo quite a bit and with good results, and it offrs 2nd curtain sync and work around the original Canon recycle reporting design flaw. The Phottix does neither and is more expensive. I also find the Yongnuo RX more attractive due to a more appealing formfactor. To be fair the Phottix does seem to offer more range, but that wouldn’t help me.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 2 years ago

          I know what your saying, though at the same time the Laso is still close to half the price of the Canon transmitter, and it adds the all important focus assist light (yet to be tested though).

          The problem with YongNuo is they still lack the build quality refinement and quality control at times. Where I would have no issue replacing the Canon transmitter all together with the Phottix unit quality wise. How closely the TTL exposures etc stack up may remain to be seen as well though.

          Hopefully Phottix can update the features with firmware later, though for now the Laso transmitter will be best suited to people with post 2012 cameras only. And lets face it as times gets away there will be a lot of people in that situation.

          If YongNuo and Phottix ever collaborated though they would be a force to reckon with.

  12. Niels Gram 2 years ago

    You have a point regarding build quality of the Yongnuo TX. It could be better. It hasn’t been a major problem for me, but you are right :-) I think the build quality of the RX is fine … but Yongnuo need to improve their QA… one of the three RX units I have had my hands on has been defective. It was replaced by the vendor but still…

  13. Niels Gram 2 years ago

    Personal note regarding pre-2012 cameras: My main topic is birds. I really benefit from a crop sensor but dislike the IQ of the current Canon APS-C cameras so I’m stuck with my 1DIV’s which remain a great camera with very good IQ. So for me the improved Yongnuo support for pre-2012 cameras is important.

  14. Ahmed Agbabiaka 2 years ago

    i have been waiting for the odin ii for quite some time. on top of that, one of my mitros+ flashes which is under a year old, died. so thumbs down for that. this trigger system looks good, more pricey and less features than yongnuo. i’m on the fence about sticking with phottix at this point.

  15. Josh 2 years ago

    I would love to see a picture or get a little info on what the AF assist light pattern/coverage looks like. I got another third party trigger like this with an AF assist, and the light is almost unusable. The pattern almost never lines up with a AF point on the camera. I have often considered trying to remove the upper part of a Canon 600ex-rt flash so I can still have the controls and the AF assist of the flash, but with less weight.

  16. Owen 2 years ago

    Re:

    >>>
    ****Group flash is not possible with cameras released before and up to 2011 (and EOS1200D), flash sync speed will be one stop slower then normal sync speed. – See more at: http://flashhavoc.com/phottix-laso-ttl-triggers-released/#sthash.2djpV4bw.dpuf
    >>>

    This is pretty significant, especially the slower sync speed. With a 5D3, this means shooting at 1/100 if, as I do, you tend to use group mode.

    I’d love a control system with Yong Nuo’s clearly superior reverse-engineering of Canon’s RF protocol, but with better build quality. I was going to try out a set of Phottix’s offerings, but the Group Mode incompatibility with the 1DIV plus the one-stop-slower x-sync is a dealbreaker. Unless, firmware….?

    Owen.

  17. Niels Gram 2 years ago

    The restriction on group mode and max sync speed is caused by the delay in the -RT system. Canon has probably been conservative to ensure that the system will work without glitches with every EOS camera ever produced. Maybe Yongnuo has made the transmitter hardware faster but more likely they have stepped down on the conservatism and made a transmitter that may have glitches when used with older cameras. I have used the YNE3-RT quite a bit in M-mode with my 1DIV with only one glitch: I’ve had one picture where the flashes fired too late (half the frame was black). I use the YN transmitter rather than the original Canon transmitter because I can’t live with Canons faulty handling of flash recycling and because I want to have 2nd curtain sync. The YN fixes both for me. No other transmitter for the Canon -RT system offer that. And the build quality of the YN isn’t that bad…

    • Owen 2 years ago

      Hi Niels,

      I agree the build quality isn’t bad. The only issue I’ve seen has been on one of my YN-E3-RTs – a slightly loose control dial that glitches and dumps me out to the previous menu sometimes.

      I’m curious – what shutter speed were you at with the half-black frames seen with the 1DIV, and what flash(es) were being used?

      Thanks,

      Owen.

  18. Niels Gram 2 years ago

    Yes, the control dial should have been more firm… but it’s identical to that on my YN600EX-RT and I actually find the control dial om my Canon 600EX-RT too firm.

    The half-black frame was with sync speed 1/250 which isn’t the 1DIV’s max sync speed (1/320) but the highest sync speed I’ve needed thus far. To be honest, I don’t remember what flash I was using. Most likely a Canon 600EX-RT but it may have been a YN600EX-RT or either of them on a YNE3-RX or a YN560III on a YNE3-RX (listed in order of decreasing probability). I have about 2500 test frames and I just went through about 700 of them without finding the half-black frame. I may have an other look tomorrow. I’ve been using the YNE3-RT mostly with 2nd curtain sync and to be honest I don’t remember if I was doing that when I got the half-black frame but I think not. I do know that I was using the flash in M-mode.

    • Niels Gram 2 years ago

      I just remembered one thing about “build-quality”: The rubber gasket around the hot-shoe is too loose and comes of easily. Maybe not a major issue but a nuisance.

  19. Ryan 2 years ago

    Hey guys – just received my Phottix Laso Transmitter and Receiver. Below is a review I tried to submit via Phottix, but it is currently being reviewed per moderation.

    I haven’t had a chance to do tests using high speed sync mode with a 430EXII, but below is my experience so far.

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  20. Ryan 2 years ago

    “Hi everyone – I just received my Phottix Laso Transmitter and Receiver for Canon. Very excited about these two pieces of equipment.

    My background: I shoot in studio and event photography with a 4 600EXRT flashes and my Canon 6D. I love the ability to use the flashes in manual mode and being able to set the power levels in camera without having to go to each 600EXRT and change it by hand. This is especially convenient if my flashes are mounted on a stand or in some obscure location. It also allows me to stay more focused on the action vs. trying to change light levels on each flash.

    During my initial testing, I’m going to be using the Laso Receiver with a 430 EXII flash that I own. My Laso Transmitter is connected to my Canon 6D. The goal is to try and make the 430EXII with Laso Receiver act like a 600EXRT via in-camera controls.

    In “External Speedlight Settings” on my canon 6D, I’ve set my external flash settings to Group Mode. I set the receiver to group B. The flash is the only flash being fired in Group Mode.

    Scenario 1

    430EXII: Manual Mode, showing power of 1/1
    Phottix Laso Receiver: Group B
    Canon 6D with Phottix Laso Transmitter External Speedlight Settings: Group Mode, Group B set to “Manual” power level 1/16

    In this scenario, I noticed that when I took photos, the power level on the 430EXII remained at 1/1 even though my Canon 6D was set to 1/16. This means, the flash fired at 1/1 despite the Canon camera sending out a signal for 1/16. To verify this, I went to the 430EXII and changed the power level on the flash (by hand) to 1/16 and took another photo, and I noticed that the flash power emitted was much less.

    While it is good to know that we can fire the receiver/flash combo in manual mode, the photographer would need to still change the power level by hand on the flash vs. the convenience of changing the power level in camera (this is how you can do it with 600 EX-RT and ST-E3-RT system). Sure, it is not as convenient as changing settings in camera, but at least the flash will fire at the setting “hard coded” in the flash unit.

    Scenario 2

    430EXII: ETTL mode
    Phottix Laso Receiver: Group B
    Canon 6D with Phottix Laso Transmitter: Group Mode, Group B set to “ETTL II”; Group B power level set to +/- 0

    In this scenario, the flash fired at the exact power level I wanted in ETTL mode. In the Canon 6D, I used the Group B power level settings throughout the range of -3 to +3, changing power levels at every whole stop. The flash power changed appropriately with every stop increase/decrease.

    I’ve yet to use the Phottix Laso Transmitter and Receiver in a real on-the-job situation, but from what I can gather, the product performs well. The build quality is good, the buttons function as intended, and the interface is clear and simple enough to use (if you’re familiar with flash interfaces). The neophyte may have some trouble, and I have not been able to find a manual online – the product is only shipped with warranty booklet documentation.

    Word of caution: If you require a set up of groups of flashes in Manual mode, it appears it would be recommended to set aside one group of flashes (the old-school ones that are all connected to Laso Receivers) as the “ETTL” group if you want to be able to change power settings remotely through the camera’s menu. You COULD shoot them manually – but you would have to change the power level in each flash in the Laso group by hand instead of in camera.

    I’m going to continue to tinker with the flashes, but it would be great to hear other users’ experiences – and perhaps, if someone figures out to use the Laso Receiver with non-RT flashes such that manual mode power levels could be adjusted IN CAMERA instead of on the flash itself, that would be awesome.”

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 years ago

      Hi Ryan,

      Thanks for the feedback. Though something is wrong there as you should definitely be able to change manual power levels through the Laso transmitter with your Canon MKII flash. I don’t know if this could possibly be a bug you’re experiencing with 6D compatibility.

      The user manual should generally be included as a USB flash drive with your trigger set. You could contact Phottix for a copy if you didn’t receive that (and possibly inquire about the manual power setting issue your having) though the manual was also posted with the FCC report here (at the bottom of the list).

    • fhd 2 years ago

      @Ryan: I don’t see your review on the Phottix page yet. Your Scenario 1 is obviously devastating — did a moderator ever contact you?

      IMO it is extremely disconcerting that Phottix has apparently not been able to completely reverse-engineer Canon’s system, as demonstrated by the slower x-sync speed (YN’s triggers do not suffer from that shortcoming) and now your problem. Sorry, but that sounds like a DOA product to me.

  21. Ryan 2 years ago

    Hey guys – I will be spending more time foguring out manual mode with the laso transmitter and receiver with my 430exII and canon 6d. Will report findings asap – if its an error on my part, that would be great because that means that a 430exII could act like a 600exrt!

    Stay tuned this Sunday…

    • Jeff 1 year ago

      Ryan
      Set the transmitter to mode 3 as their online video shows and your 430EX II will work fine from your 6D flash menu in manual. Set the flash to ETTL. The order of switching on (and off) is important.
      Mount the flash guns on the receivers & the transmitter on the camera with everything turned off. First turn the camera on then the transmitter, press the mode button to section 3, remain in channel 1, group A.
      Then turn on the receiver and then the flash gun. In the 6D menu set the flash setting to manual and set your flash level. If you have a second flash you want in a different group do this through the 6D and on the receiver you want in group B manually set it pushing the button. Whilst using DO NOT power the transmitter, receivers or flash off or the Transmitter will revert to section 1 and your have to set it back to 3 or lose control of the 430EX II (this doesn’t affect a 580EX I have which is set in Slave mode).
      Interestingly if you set the 430EX II to slave mode and mount it on the receiver, power everything on it will display ETTL but the Slave in its display disappears.
      Drove me nuts until I figured it out but simple to use thereafter.

  22. Patrik 1 year ago

    Does anybody know if this transmitter is compatible with Shanny 600C-RT?

    BR
    Patrik

  23. Rene 1 year ago

    Any info regarding Laso transmitter and other/older Phottix receivers compatibility?

    Thanks in advance,

    René

    • Charlie 1 year ago

      They’re not compatible.

      • Rene 1 year ago

        Well this sucks. Tested the system over the weekend, HSS with my Elinchroms works.
        Design and the bulk of receivers makes them pain in the ass to use.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Rene,

      They are different and incompatible systems, as Phottix and others developed their RF systems before the Canon RT system was released.

      Maybe on the future companies may look at providing some form or dual transmitter to try and link the systems together, though there is nothing like that currently available.

  24. plevyadophy 1 year ago

    Phottix ODIN/ODIN II -v- Phottix Laso TTL

    Dear Flash Havoc

    Maybe I am a bit silly but I am struggling to understand the point of having the ODIN II as well as the Laso Radio Transmitter systems. They seem so similar that, to my mind, Phottix should merge them or simply get rid of one.

    The situation is kinda making me nervous to commit to any one of them as it’s not clear which of the two systems will continue to be ACTIVELY developed well into the future.

    Of course the ODIN system has been around a lot longer and therefore has more pedigree.

    Looking at the two systems what I see is this: 

    ODIN

    has that cool ODS x-sync feature, 
    and appears to work more nicely with pre-2012 Canon cameras. 
    There is also direct RF compatibility with their own Mitros Speedlights and Indra studio lights. 
    Supports HSS and remote zooming of flash heads. 
    The ODINs are also compatible with light meter use.
    ODIN II has an AF Assist beam.
    To use the ODIN system each flash must have a Receiver attached to it.

    LASO

    does NOT have the cool ODS x-sync feature (*)
    does NOT work nicely with pre-2012 Canon cameras (*)
    There is NOT any direct RF compatibility with their own Mitros Speedlights and Indra studio lights. (**)
    Support for HSS is limited to certain camera bodies (*)
    Remote zooming of flash heads is NOT supported (*)
    Appears to support light meter use
    Has the laser AF Assist beam
    To use the Laso system each NON-Canon RT flash must have a Receiver attached to it; the Canon RT flashes need no additional hardware for triggering.
    The Laso Receivers seem way too bulky, protruding as they do, from the left hand side of flash.

    (*) could/will this be addressed by a firmware update?
    (**) I guess this can be dealt with by simply attaching the Laso Receiver to the Mitros and Indra lights.

    It seems to me that the ODIN system gives, for now, the best compatibility with a wider variety of cameras and flashes. 

    There is also the issue of using one of those Phottix multiple-flash brackets for use in a softbox. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the Laso system will not work on such a bracket because the Receivers protrude to the side way too far and will therefore prevent all the flashes from being mounted. I am I right on that?

    If one has a post-2012 camera and all Canon RT flashguns then it seems that the Laso system is the most convenient as you simply buy the Laso Transmitter.

    But if, like many I suspect, one has a mixture of gear including pre and post-2012 cameras and Canon and non-Canon optical wireless flashguns as well as one or two Canon RT flashguns, then the choice becomes a little more difficult. One could of course opt for ODIN II and attach ODIN Receivers to the Canon RT flashes even though Canon flashes already have radio receivers built-in.

    And then of course, if Phottix decide to address the Laso system limitations by way of firmware upgrade the choice between the two Phottix systems ( ODIN and Laso ) becomes even more difficult.

    Flash Havoc, what is your view on the choice between the ODIN II and the Laso system? Are there issues that I have overlooked?

    I hope you can be of assistance and I look forward to your reply.

    Thanks in advance.

    plevyadophy 

  25. Niels Gram 1 year ago

    The choice between the Laso and the Odin II really is a no-brainer as the first exist and the second doesn’t. The Elinchrom Skyport Plus clearly is based on the Laso but may be different inside and for sure in firmware. If I was to choose between the Laso and the Odin (II), I would go for the YNE3-RT/-RX ! I my view only Phottix fanboys would chose the Laso over the YNE3-RT/-RX as the latter doesn’t have the limitations of the Canon -RT flash system.
    If Phottix had managed to release the Odin II less than 16 month from the announcement then the choice would be a little harder. But they didn’t.

  26. Niels Gram 1 year ago

    Elinchrom Skyport Plus in my post above should have been Elinchrom Skyport HS I think.

  27. plevyadophy 1 year ago

    @Niels Gram

    ~ ODIN II Availability

    The ODIN II is definitely, 101%, on its way to the general public soon.

    How do I know? Because right next to me is a PRINTED A4 size colour Phottix 2016 Catalogue and at pages 10 and 11 is the ODIN II radio wireless kit.

    So, if we pretend its already 2016 and the ODIN II is available for sale, does that alter your view/advice?

    ~ Phottix -v- Yongnuo

    The Yongnuo right now has by far the better feature set but do you not think Phottix will add features later by way of firmware updates?

    The Phottix fanboys may choose Phottix over Yongnuo because of system, customer care and quality control issues. On the latter front, there is talk of the rubber weather sealing gasket on the YongNuo not fitting well and the feet of the triggers not being a snug fit and varying in size according to which batch they are from, plus the Receiver doesnt have a locking ring on the foot.

    I will be interested to receive your further comments.

    Regards,

    plevyadophy

  28. Niels Gram 1 year ago

    Phottix announced that the Odin II was on it’s way to the general public september 2014… in my view nothing except actual availability will change that status. Failing to release it in more than one one year is pretty bad IMHO. I would not base any buying decision on speculations about what features may be added at a later point in time. The YNE3-RT fix the design flaws of the Canon -RT system. The Laso does not. I’ve had the hot shoe seal of my YNE3-RT come of once. And the shoe is smaller than the Canon shoe so the YNE3-RT is a somewhat loose fit and there isn’t a battery compartment seal but this doesn’t affect the functionality. Failing to fix the -RT system design flaws would. I sold my Canon ST-E3-RT for that reason ! If you don’t need a trigger now then wait… If you do I would chose the YNE3-RT over the Laso.

  29. plevyadophy 1 year ago

    Hi,

    Well, I want one now but I have already been waiting for over three years to get something I am totally happy with so waiting a little longer won’t be a problem really.

    So, we know as a MINIMUM that the ODIN II will have the same specs as the current ODIN.

    If I wait it out, what would you say is the better choice: ODIN II -v- Laso (as is, with no firmware updates) -v- Yongnuo YN-E3-RT?

    Thanks

    P.S.
    Just like the Yongnuo, the Laso has no weather sealing gasket around the battery compartment, and in fact doesnt appear to offer any weather sealing at all, anywhere on the product’s body.

  30. Niels Gram 1 year ago

    Take a good look at this Phottix 2014-2015 catalogue: http://www.fotohobis.lt/images/Userfiles/Katalogai/Phottix_Catalog_2014_2015.pdf and tell me once more what it is about having a similar 2016 version that makes you 101% sure that Phottix will release the Odin II in 2016.
    I don’t know what the Odin II will be exactly. The images I’ve seen hint that it will have a superior user interface (compared to just about any other flash trigger transmitter that I know of). I want something more powerful than a Canon 600EX-RT speedlite. Phottix has the Indra which has a Odin receiver build in. That would be very nice… but the Indra build in receiver is the original receiver and that will mean that I can’t take advantage of the new Odin II features like 5 groups. I don’t recall where I’ve seen this but it seems you can’t mix the original Odin with Odin II – meaning if you want to use your original Odin receivers then it’s compatibility mode for all the receivers in you system and 3 groups only. Phottix has just released new firmware for their Indra. The release note as I recall does not say anything about Odin II compatibility. If the Odin II was just around the corner then it would have been natural to have that in the release.
    Even though I need something like an Indra I still regard the YNE3-RT as the best choice at this moment. But since you don’t absolutely need to buy new triggers now the best thing for you would probably be to wait and hope for an Odin II release before you need new triggers.

  31. Owen Egan 1 year ago

    Given how completely and how well Yong nuo have figured out the Canon radio protocol, if they made a battery-powered monolight using the canon triggering system, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

    I’m no engineer, but if they can build a canon-compatible receiver into a speedlight that sells for $120, it seems it might be possible to put one into a 600ws light, too.

  32. plevyadophy 1 year ago

    Hi Niels,

    Thanks for the info.

    So it seems they have previous form for putting gear in a catalogue but not delivering.

    As for ODIN II, my understanding from my reading of the literature is that ODIN II is backwards compatible with ODIN

    • Niels Gram 1 year ago

      Yes, it is, but when it communicates with one Odin receiver it doesn’t support more than 3 groups even though you may have Odin II receivers in the mix. At least that’s my understanding.

  33. Jeff 1 year ago

    Does anyone know what 3rd party flash guns are
    supported other than the Phottix Mitro / Mitro+ as well as Canon flash guns.

  34. Iqbal 1 year ago

    Does anyone know the compability of Laso Trigger with Yongnuo 600ex rt.
    Have anyone try this combo?

    Mind to share your findings?

  35. Freya 1 year ago

    Just got my Odin II :)

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Thanks Freya.

      If you have any feedback on them, drop that in the Odin II thread here. Thanks again.

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