PHOTTIX – ODIN II – TTL Flash Triggers – Now Available!

Phottix ODIN II

 

Phottix Odin II, the TTL flash triggers with the user interface the photographic world has been waiting for, are finally now available.

The original Odin have been highly regarded for there exceptional reliability, and the Odin II now provide the exceptional user interface to match.

The Odin II TTL and HSS enabled transmitters for Canon, Nikon, and Sony, provide instant access to any of the 5 available flash Groups, all displayed clearly on the large illuminated LCD screen at once.

Each of the 5 Groups has its own quick-access button, and changes are made by turning a large control dial.

Pick the light, make the change, lock it in and shoot!

 

Phottix ODIN II

 

Any or the five lights, or groups of lights, can be set to TTL or Remote Manual as needed.

And any Group can be easily switched ON and OFF.

Switch a Group OFF and its display line disappears from the screen, keeping the display as simple and easy to view as possible.

 

Phottix ODIN II

 

The Odin II also now provide an AF assist light for easy focusing in low light conditions, as well as a fast lever locking foot.

And the all important USB port for firmware updates.

 

Phottix ODIN II

 

PHOTTIX ODIN II – MAJOR FEATURES -

 

• 5 groups A, B, C, D, E
• 32 channels with User-set Digital ID
• Group buttons and control dial for fast changes
• TTL Power Control +/- 3EV
• Manual Power Control 1/1 to 1/128
• High Speed Sync – up to 1/8000s
• Second Curtain Sync (Nikon, Sony only)
• AF Assist Light
• Flash Zoom control
• Modeling Light Control with Indra500/360
• 2.4 GHz, Range 332ft (100m)
• Compatible with Indra500/360 TTL, Mitros+, Odin, Strato, Strato II, Atlas II
• Firmware upgradable

 

 

 

 

 

Channels and Digital ID

The Odin II now provide 32 channels. The first four channels offer three Groups and are compatible with the original Odin receivers.

Channels five through thirty-two use the new functionality of the Odin II receiver, providing 5 groups, and including user-set digital ID for the secure triggering.

Remotely control speedlight zoom settings to provide coverage from broad light to spot.

When shooting with Phottix Indra360 / 500 light, the Odin II transmitter also offers remote modeling light brightness control.

 

High Speed Sync and OverDrive Sync

High Speed Sync with TTL flashes and OverDrive Sync with manual, wire-connected, studio-type flashes enable flash photography at up to 1/8000 second for creative aperture effects and action stopping.

A built-in AF assist light makes autofocus shooting fast and accurate in lower lighting.

A range of custom functions are available, including switching ON/OFF of audible beep, screen illumination, and AF Illuminator function.


A Complete Ecosystem

The Odin II system is compatible with the original Odin system, Phottix Mitros+ speedlights, and Indra360 and Indra500 TTL Studio lights, Strato, Strato II receivers, and Atlas II in receiver mode.

Firmware upgrades for the Phottix Mitros+ and Indra360 / 500 will soon be available to take advantage of the new features of the Odin II.

 

Phottix ODIN II

 

PHOTTIX ODIN II – SPECIFICATIONS

Weight 0.29 lbs. (0.13 kg)
Dimensions 2.2W X 2.8H X 4.33D in.
(5.6 X 11 cm)
Warranty Limited 1 Year
Operating Temperature 2.4Ghz
Frequency 32
Channels 5
Zones Internal
Antenna LCD
Display 100m
Range 1/8000 on compatible camera
Output Power AA batteries

 

 

PRICE AND AVAILABILITY

 

The Phottix Odin II are available now in Canon, Nikon, and Sony versions from $209.95 for the transmitters, and $159.95 for the receivers –

AdoramaB&H Photo, Phottix Store

 

Phottix – Website

 

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90 Comments
  1. andrew 1 year ago

    pretty expensive …….

  2. Author
    Flash Havoc 1 year ago

    I should note, for some reason Second Curtain Sync has been removed from the Canon version Odin II transmitter according to the provided feature list.

    And also Sekonic have just released a light meter for Elinchrom, and for the Phottix Strato II, though nothing currently for the Odin II system.

    Its 3am here so I’ve had no chance to find out exactly what this means. Though the original Odin system use TTL to provide a pseudo remote manual system, and that was no doubt always going to be a challenge to function with light meter integration.

    So at this stage I’m not sure if there will be a Sekonic meter still coming to work with the Odin system or not unfortunately.

    • Reto 1 year ago

      these were my exact same thoughts about the announcement.

      – no rear-curtain-sync for canon is a real disappointment. I use this feature often with the original odin-system and wonder how/why they could really take it off a next-generation product,
      a real step back.

      – yes, why no odin support for the light-meter, would have been the obvious choice?

  3. Tim Kamppinen 1 year ago

    Why oh why is there no sync port? So people are forced to buy a Mitros + I guess.

      • Tim Kamppinen 1 year ago

        I meant on the transmitter, so you could for example use an on-camera SB-910 and connect the transmitter via a sync cord to control the off camera flashes. Only way to use the phottix system with an on-camera flash is to buy a Mitros + for on-camera.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 1 year ago

          Tim, if these are the same as the original Odin then the transmitter won’t work at all unless its mounted on a fully compatible TTL camera hotshoe.

          This is related to the same issue as I mentioned with the possible light meter integration challenge. The Odins use TTL to create pseudo remote manual power levels, so they are still acting as a TTL transmitter to some degree, even only in remote manual use.

          These where the things I was most interested in, would the transmitter now be able to work on mirrorless and single firing pin cameras etc for example. Phottix are aware of the demand for that capability with mirrorless cameras etc.

          Unfortunately I think the release of the Strato II Sekonic light meter only probably answers those questions. Not quite the answer I was hoping for though.

  4. Guy 1 year ago

    System looks good to me on paper. Phottix is really aggressive and they deliver a lot of what we want.

    Really wondering why second curtain sync seems to always be left out of remote flash systems on Canon. Canon RT system ain’t doing it either (remotely).

  5. Darryl 1 year ago

    Is there a way to use the ODIN system with Mitros+ flashes in concert with other non phottix strobes?

    I have a Rovelight triggered by a Stratos II Multi reciever connected to the rove with a 1/8″ cable. I am trying to get the Mitros+ lights to work with an Odin tx and it is not working.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Darryl,

      That should actually work.

      Do you mean you can use the Odin transmitter to fire the Strato II receivers (and attached strobes) alone. Though that doesn’t work when you add Mitros+ into the mix?

      Or you can’t get the Odin Tx to fire the Strato II receivers or Mitros+ in any case?

  6. Darryl 1 year ago

    Flash,

    Set up is on Nikon:
    ODIN tx on camera, with Rovelight triggered by a Stratos II Multi reciever connected to the rove with a 1/8″ cable
    (2) Mitros+ set to TTL Rx (using manual mode) Nothing in Hyper sync or HSS mode.

    I can get the Mitros+ to flash in timing, but the rovelight misses. It appears to be going off but there is no exposure from it. When I turn of the Mitros keeping all the settings, the rovelight works fine?

    I have only got the rove to work by switching the Mitros+ to a flash slave.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Oh.. you wouldn’t have the optic slave turned on on the RoveLight then by any chance?

      A pre-flash from the other flashes may be setting the RoveLight off slightly early via its optic slave, instead of via the Stratto II receiver.

  7. Craig 1 year ago

    Will the Odin II transmitter control a Canon RT flash without a receiver or is a receiver always needed?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Craig,

      An Odin receiver is always needed at this stage.

      I really don’t know if it could be possible at any stage to combine the Odin and RT systems.

      (What Phottix could possibly do though in the future is add Laso RT receivers into flash units like the Indra360/500 or Mitros+ etc).

  8. Darryl 1 year ago

    Will check that. Thanks

  9. Robert 1 year ago

    Hopefully, the Odin II does not employ the same ODS used on the Elinchrom EL-Skyport Transmitter. Reviews on that system make it sound very difficult to use.

    Also, I see no mention of being able to save shooting setups, ie…. studio 1, studio 2, studio 3 etc. I sure hope that is an included feature!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Robert,

      In the video it shows the ODS timing adjustment is pretty quick to access now. Once you accessed the ODS adjustment the first time, then pressing the menu button takes you straight back to the adjustment again.

      I’m not sure how that relates to the EL-Skyport Transmitter, though its much quicker than the current Odin ODS adjustment.

      If you’re referring to the manual nature of the ODS adjustment, setting it up by trial and error etc. Then I’m not sure there is much that can be done about that, other than to have complex profiles pre set for different camera and light combinations. It would be handy to be able to store your own profiles though.

      I’m not sure about any option to store various lighting set up profiles at this stage.

  10. Felipe 1 year ago

    By any chance phottix or elinchrom would be working or have plans to make a version of something like indra with integrated battery? like profoto and its competitors? Indra + integrated battery + sekonic would be sweet, like a dream come true!!!

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      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Felipe,

      I don’t know for sure, though I’d be surprised if Phottix didn’t have plans for an all in one unit. When something like this would actually be available is another question.

      I’m not sure what’s happening with the Sekonic integration. At this stage there is only a Strato II compatible meter available.

  11. Donald 1 year ago

    Can you give us some insight into how this compares to the Nissin Air System for Sony? The Odins are more expensive but what do you get for the money? They are about too (eventually) release the remote receivers for Nissin, which should make it so you could attach any strobe, I think(?)

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Donald,

      I’m not really that familiar with the Nissin Air system, other than its pretty cheap in comparison :-)

      I’m still not sure if there is any option for 1/3rd stop manual power levels, or anything finer than full stop graduations in manual.

      HSS off cameras was also in question for Sony, though people have found that you just need to set wireless mode on in the camera for HSS to work.

      It looks like a bit of a quirky system overall, pairing flashes etc, and no simple channels. Though it appears to do the job ok from most reports.

      The main thing is the Nissin Air only works with one flash at this stage, the Nissin Di700A (which is a bit of a mid range flash regarding power etc). As you mention though the coming receivers should expand the system a lot more eventually.

      Overall its still a very limited system at this stage when compared to Phottix, having the Indra strobes, and radio master flash on camera with the Mitros +. The Odin II interface should provide a lot more control as well.

      For the price though the Nissin system may do enough for what some people need.

  12. Niels Gram 1 year ago

    The omission of 2nd curtain sync makes the Odin II unattractive to me. Also it’s a pitty that Phottix doesn’t support mixed 1st and 2nd generation Odin environments. As currently spec’ed you will only have 3 groupes available if you use the Odin II with an Indra in the mix.

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      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Niels,

      This is just speculation, though I get the impression Phottix have emulated more of the Canon RT style protocol now to allow the 5 groups, and therefore lost the second curtain sync (as Canon does not provide that either). And gained user ID’s like the RT system provides.

      Because they are using different languages though you would have to choose one or the other.

      I wouldn’t rule out the Indra in the new channels yet though. I think we will need to wait and see what the firmware updates provide.

      UPDATE – Phottix have confirmed coming firmware updates for the Indra360 / 500 will provide the new Channels 5-32, and the features associated with those, 5 Groups, User Id’s etc.

      • Alex Beckett 10 months ago

        Ah firmware updates would be great. I just bought into the system looking to replace my pocketwizard flexes and 5 channels was one of the big draws. It seems with the Mitros+ though it’s only compatible in Odin1 mode and with 3 groups max :(

  13. Calin Botez 1 year ago

    Yes, it’s embarrassing that there is no full compatibility with Odin I receivers. I wonder if they can be combined: if I have one Mitros + and two Odin I reveivers, and I add an Odin II reveiver attached to a Nikon flash, then can I have control over 4 groups? Odin I receivers have the group switch with only 3 positions, A, B and C. You cannot assign group D or E on these receivers, that seems to me very logical. But if I bring Odin II reveivers in the bunch, can I have control on more than 3 groups?

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      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Calin,

      Phottix are stating that the first 4 channels offer 3 groups. So I would say if you have the Odin II transmitter set to channel 1 – 4, then you only have access to channels A, B, & C from the transmitter interface in any case. (I would assume the Odin II transmitter would only allow selection of Group A, B, & C then as well).

      As mentioned in the reply to Niels above, I get the impression this has come about because Phottix would basically be using 2 different languages now (one with groups and features more like the Canon RT system) so you have to choose to use one language or the other.

      From Phottix statements I would assume they Indra will be updated to provide the option or channels 1 – 4 or 5 – 32. Though whether the Mitros+ may be updated has not been mentioned yet.

      UPDATE – Phottix have confirmed coming firmware updates for the Indra360 / 500 will provide the new channels 5-32, and the features associated with those, 5 groups, User Id’s etc. I’m not sure about similar Mitros+ updates yet, Phottix have not ruled those out though.

      You can only use one channel system or the other though otherwise. So if any one unit needs to run on channel 1-4 then all will have to run on channel 1-4, and will be limited to 3 groups.

  14. Brian J 1 year ago

    SO I have 4 Odin receivers and 2 Indra 500s. If I put the Odin receivers on A, B or C, can I put the Indras on D and/or E . In effect replace my Odin with the Odin 2 and skip the new transmitters for now?

    • Niels Gram 1 year ago

      @Brian J: As I understand it, you can only use one channel at a time. To be compatible with the Indra’s you need to use one of the 4 channels that only support 3 groups. So no, you can not put the Indra’s on D and/or E.

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      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Brian J & Niels,

      Again I wouldn’t rule out he Indra being updated to provide the extra channels and groups yet.

      Though that still doesn’t help with Brian’s situation if using the original Odin receivers in the mix. From what I understand so far if you want to use the original receiver in the mix you will be limited to channel 1-4 and 3 groups on the Odin II interface.

      UPDATE – Phottix have confirmed the Indra360 / 500 will be updated through firmware to provide the new channels 5-32 and associated features, 5 groups, digital Id’s etc.

      Also confirmed, you can only use one channel system or the other. So if any one unit needs to run on channel 1-4 then all will have to run on channel 1-4, and will be limited to 3 groups.

      • Brian J 1 year ago

        Thanks Elv! As always your dedication to all things flash lighting is awesome and much appreciated.

  15. Ricardo Gomez 1 year ago

    Phottix gear is top notch. While I have never tried the Indra units, the original Odin units were amazing. Relatively sturdy, dependable and great performance. While the trigger was excellent, the design and UI left lots to be desired. This unit rectifies that.

    If you don’t go OEM, then Phottix should definitely be high on your list. In this case, you definitely get what you pay for…

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Ricardo,

      Yes the Odin II transmitters are still considerably less than the price of the Canon ST-E3-RT, though the Odin II are a long way ahead now in the user interface. Not to mention the focus assist light.

      If you’re looking at receivers to add to the Canon RT flashes then that can hurt, though I suspect most people are looking to the Phottix speedlites and strobes with receivers built inside now, or using older Canon EX flashes with no radio built inside.

  16. Eduard 1 year ago

    A discount coupon to flashhavoc readers ? :D
    Thank’s!

  17. Flash Gordon 1 year ago

    I’m a bit confused. @Flash Havoc, you’re saying that the Odin II won’t work with the new Sekonic meter because its designed for the Strato II ? Like me you want to meter manual flash exposure and set the power from the transmitter. If the Sekonic meter works with the Strato surely it can do that. Otherwise to say its ‘compatible’ would be a fib.

    The Sekonic [whatever the number is] meter which worked with the Pocket Wizard system certainly worked correctly. You can meter a Nikon flash set to manual and change the power direct from the meter. (Lever aside the fact that the meter itself is a total design failure, its not as good as a 1990s touchscreen device.) Anyway, my point is surely a Phottix comparable Sekonic meter has to work in the way the Pocket Wizard version does. And maybe they’ll make it Odin comparable too?

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      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Flash Gordon,

      Unless I’m missing something (or brain fade etc… (wouldn’t be the first time)), I can’t see how you would use the Strato II compatible Sekonic light meter to even fire the Odins radio receiver, let alone change their power levels.

      You can set the Mitros+ or Indra strobes to Strato II receiver mode, though then you lose any remote power control even using the Odin / II transmitter.

      I asked Phottix if there would be a Sekonic light meter still to come for the Odin system as well, and the reply was just that there are there are lots of things in development.

      That could mean all manner of things, though Phottix also announced previously there would be a combined radio system with Elinchrom and Sekonic, so that could all be related. I wouldn’t like to guess how that would all fit together though.

  18. Flash Gordon 1 year ago

    Hi Mr Havoc

    Yea, its all far to confusing.

    Sorry, I was trying to suggest forget the Odins. Why would you need these if the Sekonic works with the Stratos? And that’s a question from a Nikon four channel and three groups point of view. The Odin may do more but I really can’t keep up with the plethora of flash products. And none of them are comparable with each other? From the same manufacturer? Krazy. Its almost enough to make me buy back those Pocket Wizard TTL units. Expensive and poorly made but they do do manual flash properly.

    Meanwhile I’m managing fine to meter my manual (Nikon SB-910s) flash triggered from an SU-800 using a Sekonic meter. Just don’t let the IR from the SU-800 reach the meter directly. But I still need radio!

    Meanwhile meanwhile I’ve tried asking distributors for the Pixel X800 Pro if it puts out a pre-flash but nobody either knows or is bothered to find out and actually _sell_ to the people like me who want it.

    Sorry for going off topic and off on one…

    FG

    PS if you are in touch with Phottix maybe you could ask about the Sekonic and the Strato II and pre-flash. Remember when using the Sekonic it is the meter which acts as the transmitter so just because you can’t meter using the transmitter…

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      No worries. Regarding the Strato II though, they are only manual triggers, so they don’t have any pre-flash at all in any situation.

      So it would have been very simple to integrate the Sekonic meter with those, which is obviously why the are available now.

      There is no remote manual power control with the Strato II though.

  19. Flash Gordon 1 year ago

    Sorry, just noticed your comment about the Pocket Wizard Control TL system.

    I dunno exactly how it works but you do set TTL on the Nikon flash when you want manual flash power. You control the power with an add-on to the transmitter. So it does work like all the other systems, just that it doesn’t give out a pre-flash. And that’s also true when using the Nikon SU-800 in manual mode.

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      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Sorry I think your right regarding the PW Control TL system. I keep thinking that is direct manual because you can use the transmitter on single firing pin flashes and still provide remote manual with Canon and Nikon speedlites.

      So I think PW have achieved what we are after, and I think even the YongNuo YN-622N-TX do the same. (I can get meter reading via the test fire button, though I can’t seem to get them to fire on a single firing pin camera, or via PC syc cord, though the user manual says this should work).

      Just taking some meter readings of the YN-622N though just shows how they do not have consistent graduation between power levels, which is a problem most pseudo remote manual system suffer from to some degree.

      All the systems have been engineered differently though as well, it may be harder for Phottix to achieve the above the way the Odins have currently been engineered.

      • Flash Gordon 1 year ago

        “YongNuo YN-622N-TX”

        Well that’s interesting. Maybe that’s what I could use. At least until the Nikon radio system becomes available (should it do so for other than the D5 & D500).

        So… could I use my SU-800 on top of a YongNuo TX/RX to control the output? I wonder if that would make the power levels more consistent.

        You’d have thought someone would have had all this sorted by now. PocketWizard may have patented some aspects of their systems but they had to reverse engineer to make Control TL work – I assume. Or perhaps they use Nikon and Canon’s protocols under licence. Which would explain why the cheap companies are making a mess of things.

        I’m sure there’s a big pent up market for manual flashers who use meters. For me its not even about the money, like I say, if the Nikon system does what I need I’ll buy that system.

  20. Peter 1 year ago

    I’m probably being thick here, but here goes: as regards a pre-flash interfering with the metering of a Sekonic. There was a firmware update to the Odins quite a while ago. This means that when you press the test button on the Odin transmitter it transmits two flashes. The first is the communication. The second, 2.5 seconds later, is the actual flash at the proper level. Therefore you press your metering button on the Sekonic after the 1st flash and before the 2nd flash to obtain the correct reading. This works fine with my Sekonic L358. If you already know this then great, I wasn’t sure from some of the comments.

    It would have been good to get a pass through on the new Odin transmitter so that on-cam flash is simplified. My workaround is this, as I posted in a forum reply:

    “I went back to Canon 580EX II’s after my poor experiences with the Phottix Mitros+’s for Canon, but that left me with the problem of how to use an “on-camera” gun in conjunction with the Odin system – which is of course separate transmitter and receivers.

    My solution is a very compact bracket called the Custom Brackets CB Mini-RC. Its quite pricey but it does the job perfectly. The Odin transmitter sits on the cams hot shoe and the Odin receiver sits on the bracket with a gun atop. Its all very solid as there are anti-twist parts built in.

    The bracket is small enough to stay on the cam permanently and in that capacity it can act to help keep the cam stable when you put it down. It has a tripod bush underneath so you don’t need to remove the bracket to mount the cam on a tripod.”

    And even nicer if each unit was a transceiver – heck my ancient Bowens Pulsars are transceivers.

    But the Odins are solid and reliable for sure.

    I don’t really have a need for more than three groups. I can always set up as many guns as I want on full manual anyway and ones like for lighting backgrounds are unlikely to need altering.

    So other than the focus assist on the new transmitter, and perhaps the slightly more intuitive interface, the Odin II doesn’t have much going for it for me.

    I wonder if the Mitros+ will have a firmware update to control 5 groups? That might kill 2nd curtain with Canon I guess.

    Any news on a revision to the Mitros+. A Mitros++ if you like. I had two Mitros+ guns but I returned them as mine had inaccurate ettl and the overheat protection cut in far too soon. But I’d snap up a revised Mitros+ in an instant to use instead of an Odin transmitter.

    Pete

    • Flash Gordon 1 year ago

      Pete, thanks for that comment. Yes, I kinda know about the Odin & the test delay to allow for flash metering. I’d ruled them out because of that. I’m shooting quickly, on the run. Setup, meter, shoot, leave. Sometime all in five minutes. So I don’t like the idea of the delay. Especially if you need to meter two or three units to get your ratios right. Maybe fine for a more controlled situation where you have time to setup before your subjects appear.

      The other reason I want to get away from is the pre-flash is it confuses your subject. I had to shoot TTL recently and the subject (who was giving a talk at the time) told me later she felt like she was being papped with all the flashes going off. (I dunno if some people are more sensitive but I can usually see the pre flash when I’m shooting, especially with a multi-flash setup.)

      Also, stop press: there’s a comment below about the colour temperature changing with the Odin. If that’s correct I’m never going to even try this unit.

  21. Ryan 1 year ago

    Flash Havoc,

    Any word yet if they resolved the drastic variances in color temp at lower power levels when modifying those levels via the remote with the Odin II? (was a non issue when doing it from the unit itself which is impractical.)

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      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Ryan,

      I don’t think there has been any update on that. The firmware that was supposed to help with the issue did not appear to make much difference.

      I did actually suggest another idea to Phottix the other day though. And that was to provide a second manual mode (will call it Manual II for now) between the Odin transmitters and Indra and Mitros+ flashes, that would set the power level directly on the flashes instead of using the pseudo TTL / Remote manual method.

      This would only be for when using Phottix flash units (currently Indra and Mitros+) because trying to engineer this to work with Nikon speedlites in particular (on Odin receivers) is where all the difficulties arise.

      So this Manual II mode option would provide –

      – No hassles with pre-flash and light meters
      – Accurate power levels
      – And a transmitter which would work on single firing pin cameras as well.

      It would also resolve the color issues in this mode though, because the Indra would be set to manual power levels directly on the strobe, not using TTL mode for that.

      Phottix are looking into this at the moment.

  22. Calin Botez 1 year ago

    I wonder if the remote zoom function works with Odin I reveivers.

  23. Fab 1 year ago

    Hello :)

    Is there a way to adjust flash output for ALL 5 GROUPS SIMULTANEOUSLY?

    (It would be quite annoying to change exposure levels for 5 groups one by one…)

    Thanks for any info!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Fab,

      There is no mention of a global adjustment that I’m aware of. If that is the case hopefully this is something Phottix will consider adding, as it is a very helpful feature.

  24. Todd 1 year ago

    Thanks a ton for all the info!! Just the AF assist and quick group access is a win for me! I can’t wait to get this upgrade!

  25. Brian J 1 year ago

    I’m really on the fence about this. I was very excited when they announced this update in 2014. Now that is is revealed, I’m not sure to jump. I have 4 Odin receivers for my Canon flashes and two Indra 500s. If the Odin II does not integrate with my existing receivers (i.e. full control of the Canons including zoom) then spending another 800+ on new receivers and another master does not get me all that much. The two extra groups would be nice, but I want backward compatibility, that Phottix has always touted as their advantage! This is why I decided to go with them over Pocket Wizards, Cactus or even the Canon system.

  26. Brian J 1 year ago

    Update: I ordered the Odin II last week and it arrived this morning. As I only have Odin I triggers I tested only with these and I have to say, other than having 3 channels only it performed much as my Odin I TCU does. Zoom on my Canon 600 EX-RT(s) is good. Out of the box the channel was at 32 but changing it to 1 changes the TCU interface to the legacy 3 channels. It comes with I nice case, something the Odin I did not, a mini-usb to USB cable and the Phottix USB 125MB USB drive for manuals. Mine had Indra Laso and Mitros+ manuals on it was well as the Odin II instructions. DO you need the Odin II if you have the Odin I? No, I say not, but since I had $200 bucks burning a hole in my pocket for a gift card, I jumped on it. I do like the new interface and design more. Having a button for each channel then using the wheel to adjust is slightly more efficient. I will probably buy a couple of new receivers, once Phottix comes out with the Indra firmware, but it is, as Phottix said, working with my Odin I receivers and that makes me happy.

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      Flash Havoc 12 months ago

      Thanks for the Feedback Brian.

      Personally I think the new interface has got to be worth the upgrade. Its just when you want to go past 3 groups its going to hurt a bit having to swap out Odin I receivers (depending on how many you have of course).

      Should be nice once the Indra etc firmware updates come.

      • Reto 12 months ago

        yes, the interface and the AF assist light would be worth the upgrade – but losing rear-curtain sync is a no go. As Peter, I could also live with 3 groups.

        an updated Odin I controller, that only adds the new interface and an AF assist light, but besides that, stays within “the generation I of odin”, is the only thing I would buy.

        • phodelity 10 months ago

          I agree I like the slightly lower looking profile of the mkii and interface and have had a real need for the autofocus assist in low light situations. But really hate to lose 2nd curten sync. I can live with the moore limited groups and channels if I could use the new transmitter with my old odin receivers making a semi conversation much moore affordable and attractive to me. But the way it is I would have to give up somthing I allready have (2nd curten sync) in order it get somthing I don’t (autofocus assist) have. Kind of sucks.

  27. Francesco 1 year ago

    I switched from Canon to Nikon (D810) and I have a Metz 58 Canon version, and bought a new Mets 64 Nikon version. Could I put the transmitter on the Nikon body, and a Canon/Nikon receiver under each flash and control & fire them from the body/transmitter?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 year ago

      Hi Francesco,

      Unfortunately you can’t mix the Canon and Nikon Odin systems. So at most you would basically only fire the Canon Metz 58 using the Nikon Odin transmitter. And in that case you could just use a Strato II receiver to do that if you wanted to (with the Odin transmitter).

      Though I’m not sure about Metz compatibility with the Odin system though either. And Phottix do not offer any information or support on third party flash compatibility.

      If you just wanted remote manual control with both flashes then the Cactus V6, or possibly radiopopper JrX2 may be worth looking at. Though again you would need to check the Metz compatibility with them if possible first.

  28. JHPhoto 12 months ago

    There was no actual product on the market AT ALL for so long that I figured that perhaps it was a vaporware product, rare for a reputable company to publish a launch of a product and then not make a single one.

    I do suspect that since they waited nearly 2 years from announced launch that this product is likely to be at a loss compared to the competition who’ve had lots of time to make up for any lost opportunities to compete with Phottix.
    The price is a little high too but frankly I had previously paid more (per an item) for a set of TT5’s that failed to deliver any useable results, still have not forgiven that company for the failure either.

  29. Robert 12 months ago

    I actually just received my Odin II to use with Canon. Disapointed to see you cant use all the features on the Odin II with the Mitros +. I was under the impression, wrongly, that the Odin II were going to be 100% backword compatible with the Mitros +, I guess I was wrong.

    Further disappointing, I am experiencing the continued lack of support for Phottix products from Phottix. Phottix wants to portray themselves as a company servicing “Pro” photographers. But you can’t get any response from them or now the MacGroup for any support. I emailed a week ago, asking them for support on getting the latest firmware for my Mitros + flashes and to confirm there was/wasnt a firmware update for the new Odin II. I have received no response. Most likely going to repack the Odin II and send it back.

    There is a reason people love #PaulCBuff customer service, it works!

    • Darryl J 12 months ago

      Robert,

      Can you speak to the specific things that are not compatible with the Mitrox+? Are you a Nikon or Canon shooter. Thanks,

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 12 months ago

        Hi Darryl,

        As mentioned in the comments further up, there are basically 2 separate languages being used now, and you have to use all one or the other. The old system is on channel 1-4, and the new system on channel 5-32.

        At this stage 1-4 will not have the 5 groups (only 3), Digital I’ds, and modelling light control for the Indra.

        Phottix will provide a firmware update for the Indra to add the 5-32 system and all associated features, though they didn’t want to commit to a similar update publicly yet for the Mitros+. I think its likely that will happen eventually, though I think Phottix want to be sure before committing to anything.

    • Brian J 12 months ago

      Totally agree that Phottix CS is crap. If you are not in Asia they do not seem to pay any attention to you. They have never responded to an issue I had with one of the folding strip boxes I bought from them.
      The Canon Odin system has been a bullet proof for me. Which is good because I have no confidence in the Phottix warranty process.

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 12 months ago

        Hi Brian,

        Yes Phottix only have a small team to deal with customer service directly. If you’re in the US its best to contact the MacGroup distributors.

        Phottix have been good to hold up their warranty though, I’ve not heard of anyone that has not had their flashes or triggers etc replaced through the retailer when needed.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 12 months ago

      Hi Robert,

      Yes the Mitros+ and Indra to not currently have the new Channel 5-32 protocol implemented. So you can’t use the new features until firmware updates are available.

      Phottix have confirmed an update will be coming for the Indra, though I don’t think they want to commit publicly to the Mitros+ just yet.

      The MacGroup are usually very good with support, if you’re in the USA you really need to contact them rather than Phottix directly. You may want to try dropping the MacGroup another email, as they should respond.

  30. Mike Jones 12 months ago

    Hi. I am a bit confused here. I’ve got 4 Nikon sb910 speed lights with 4 phottix Odin ttl receivers and of course Odin trigger. Now all the receivers have only three A, B & C groups. I was missing a feature enabling me to independently control 4th speed light. With Odin 2 tigger I guess that’s possible but how to go about putting 4 light into E group if receivers have only 3 as I said earlier?

  31. Niels Gram 12 months ago

    That’s simple: You ditch your old Odin receivers and buy new ones. Yes unfortunately you will need to use only new receivers if you want more than the original 3 groups.

    • Mike Jones 12 months ago

      That’s gonna cost a fortune again! Unless I sell my sb910 and buy phottix speed lights

  32. Ahmed Agbabiaka 12 months ago

    I love Phottix, i really do but the odin ii should have been 100% compatible with odin i receivers and the mitros+. people buy into these expensive systems because of functionality and compatibility. the compatibility with the odin i system was the best in the business.

    after waiting and waiting for the odin ii, i’m highly disappointed with this latest release so i’m jumping ship for the yongnuo rt system. it was fun phottix and we’ll always have paris.

    • Keith 12 months ago

      I hear you. However the only way for them to innovate and have 5 groups is to move forward. No one was even thinking about or had that many groups when the Odin 1 system came out. You can not go back and add groups to a old system when until now it had not been done. It is time for us to ask our selfs how important is 5 groups? How many times in a year our you going to use that many groups? That will be a different answer for every photographer.

  33. PeterA 12 months ago

    I’m finding it hard to believe a previous Odin user couldn’t keep the same setup on groups 1-3, and add the new receivers to flashes on groups 4 & 5. For example I’ve got two LP180Rs that work fine on the old Odin groups. I was hoping to just add a couple Odin II receivers & a transmitter and be good to go to 5 groups. I’m going to have to read the manual as there are so many stories out now.

    On the good side, the Odin II is NOW available in the US both at B&H and Amazon. Please let me know how they work!? Thanks! :-)

  34. Niels Gram 12 months ago

    The inability to simultaneously be backwards compatible and run 5 groups come from the Odin II’s inability to simultaneously communicate on two channels and using to different protocols. So the Odin II would have had to be more complex both in terms of hardware and software to be fully simultaneously backwards and forwards compatible.

  35. Darryl J 12 months ago

    Or the better way to go would have been for Phottix to release their Indra and Mitros+ updates at the same time as the release of the Odin II. Any estimates on when this release will be?

  36. Dana 12 months ago

    Can the new transmitter be used with the first generation Odin receiver?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 12 months ago

      Hi Dana,

      Yes as SmudgeStick replied below, you can use the Odin II transmitter with the first generation Odin receivers.

      The catch is there are 2 different languages/protocols being used now, the old system is on channel 1-4, and the new system on channel 5-32. And you can only use one channel set or the other for ALL receivers.

      And at this stage channels 1-4 will not have the 5 groups (only 3), Digital I’ds, or modelling light control for the Indra.

      So if you want to use any first generation Odin receivers in the system, you must use channel 1-4, and lose the new features.

      The transmitter interface should at least still be an improvement though, even with the channel 1-4 system.

  37. SmudgeStick 12 months ago

    ‘Can the new transmitter be used with the first generation Odin receiver?’

    Yes, but with limitations, only the first 4 channels, no ID etcetc.

  38. IEVGEN TERNOVYI 11 months ago

    Very interested in one question – HSS works in TTL together?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi IEVGEN,

      Yes HSS and TTL work together.

      HSS works with remote manual as well.

  39. catalin 11 months ago

    Hello Flash Havoc ,
    thanking in advance , can you tell me if the SEKONIC L – 478dr – px , compatibility with Odin and Odin ii will be updated with software ?
    catalin

  40. Benjamin 11 months ago

    Hello 1st of all forgive my english (I’m french)

    I used to have SB900, triggered with Phottix Odin 1 system.
    Recently, I changed to Mitros+ with Odin II. Mitros+ has an on board receiver, no need to use the separate ODIN receiver I has.
    But I have now a very strange issue.
    When I set a group (let’s say A for example), in manual mode in order to set the flash power to 1/128 or 1/64, I can’t .
    Of course I can change the settings on the ODIN II display but the flash does not responding well and is triggering at high power.
    My tests shows I can only trigger at 1/1, 1/2 and 1/4, no matter what the ODIN II is displaying.

    For exemple, even if I input 1/128 the power is 1/4 or something light that.
    There is no problem when I set TTL mode, I can set +/-3 EV as usual. The multi mode is working fine too. No problem with these modes. Only Manual. Of course it’s the way I want to used this system.
    In order to find where the problem is coming from, I’ve tested the 3 other possible settings :
    1 – ODIN I (1st version) with Mitros+ triggered by on board receiver : OK, I can set the output power as I want.
    2 – ODIN II with Mitros+ triggered by external receiver (ODIN) : OK, I can set the output power as I want.
    3 – ODIN I with Mitros+ triggered by external receiver (ODIN) : OK, I can set the output power as I want.

    The problem exists only with ODIN II with Mitros+ triggered with their own on board receivers

    Does any of you has heard about this crazy bug ? Thank you.

  41. kristian 10 months ago

    Hi There!
    I got the new Photix II. And I am very happy with!
    I just found one problem till now. I cannot set the modeling light by the Photix II.
    It is always necessary to set the power level at the indra!
    I do exactly what the manual tells me!
    Any idea why it does not work?
    Best regards from Austria, Kristian

    • Kristian 10 months ago

      Oh and with the old Odin it is possible to switch of /on the modeling light by pushing the light button. With the Odin II it is not…

  42. Kristian 10 months ago

    I can fix the problem. The Indra had an older software Version.
    Best regards, Kristian

  43. Alex Beckett 10 months ago

    Just as an FYI, Phottix have confirmed to me that they’ll be updating the Mitros+ firmware to include all the new Odin2 channels in the coming weeks.

    • Benjamin 10 months ago

      Phottix sent me their 1.14 firmware for mitros+ nikon.
      it works perfectly with Odin 2 now.
      I don’t know if i’m allowed to upload it….

      • Alex Beckett 10 months ago

        Sweet! Just sent you an email, not sure if you’d be willing to forward it on to me…

  44. Todd 10 months ago

    YES what a crazy rad system. I have been using the Odin i system for years and recently bought the odin ii transmitter Only to work with my odin i receivers becasue I don’t need more then 3 groups. Huge upgrade for me.
    The infrared AF assist alone made me buy it for wedding receptions. That is worth everythign right there and I can sell my old odin i transmitter for almost the same amount so there wasn’t much of a cost diff once sold.
    -Quick group access is crazy helpful.
    -Setting dial makes life so much quicker and easier to change.
    -Better shoe mount lock makes it quicker to get the thing off.
    -Most won’t agree but now that the AF zoom is manual I don’t have to worry about my flashes zooming all the time. I know this can be set on the odin i system but for some reason mine never stayed. They always zoomed when i put new batts in or something.
    -LCD dimmer. Yes!

    YES it’s worth the upgrade just for the new interface. I just got it and been using it for 10min and this thing is rockin! I need to see what the other features do but i’m sure there will be more cool stuff. Just saw beep too ha ha! Will be fun.

  45. Todd 10 months ago

    I tried to search their website to see if there is any firmware update but can’t seem to find any. Is the 1.10 the current firmware? not that I’m having problems but just seeing if there is anything new in features.

  46. Guy 9 months ago

    Hi,

    Does anyone have a picture of the focus assist pattern the Odin II uses? Or can you describe how it compares to Canon/Nikon speedlites?

    From the discussions, it sounds like there is always a pre-flash even in manual mode… is this the case with all Odin II compatible lights such as the Mitros+, Indra and Odin II receivers. In other words is there no way at all to avoid a pre-flash shooting in manual with this trigger? My experience with TTL and pre-flash shooting portraits has been that probably half my subjects blink from the pre-flash so manual has been the only option.

    Thanks

  47. bart 9 months ago

    Does anyone know if the Phottix Mitros for Nikon and Indra500 got upgraded their software to be used with the new Odin II transmitter? I have 4 Nikon SB910 and Odin I receivers which i want to trade for 4 Mitros speed lights tho

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 9 months ago

      Hi Bart,

      The Mitros+ have been updated to be used with the new channels and features of the Odin II, though still not the Indra500 / 360 at this point.

      Regarding trading the SB-910’s or Mitros+ though, you may want to read this post from Dave Cheung. I was involved a little in helping Dave get set up with the transition to Mitros+, and as you see it didn’t go very well.

      There are generally mixed opinions on the Mitros+. Some people are perfectly happy with them, while others notice the limitations mainly in recycle time and overheat protection compared to the Nikon flashes. So if you’re reaching the limits with the SB-910, the Mitros+ may be an issue.

      I haven’t really heard of that many failures like Dave had, and they do have 2 years warranty. Also I noticed a comment from one user saying that latest firmware had finally fixed the graduations between manual power levels.

      Its mainly only Phottix and Godox in the race at the moment, and neither of them have the ideal master flash option for wedding photographers. Meanwhile Canon and Nikon keep raising the bar further with their new speedlites.

  48. Charlie 8 months ago

    i wish Godox could come up with a trigger like this for the AD600!

  49. Jairo Manalu 5 months ago

    Hi,
    Just bought a phottix odin II After reading all you article, thank you.
    I have one question why there is a delay on firing the flash of indra when I press test on transmitter. Its not act as whe i press thecamera shutter which fires instantly.

    i need the flash to fire instantly whe. I press the test button on transmitter while measure yhe ligjg with hand held ligt meter.
    Thank you

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