YongNuo YN-622C ETTL Trigger Review

Time to toss the Manual triggers? Maybe not quite, but the new YongNuo YN-622C are certainly going to shake things up, at least for Canon speedlite users.

The original YN RF-602 triggers were a breakthrough for budget reliable triggers, and the YN-622C looking set to do the same for Remote Manual, TTL and HSS triggers. We are already seeing listings as low as $82 a pair shipped! That’s less than a respectable quality set of manual-only triggers like the Phottix Strato II.

If you use speedlites at all, the convenience of remote control from the camera is really hard to overlook at this price, even if it’s just for the remote Manual control. TTL and HSS may be just a bonus.

(Don’t toss those Manual triggers just yet though, they will still work with the YN-622C too, more on that below).

UPDATE - June 2014 – The YN-622C-TX transmitter unit is now also available, to control YN-622C as receiver units. The YN-622C-TX provides a faster built in LCD interface, and also provides significant added features like the ability to mix Remote Manual and TTL groups at the same time.

YN-622C

The YN-622C allow full Remote Manual Power Control, as well as HSS, and ETTL from the Canon camera flash control menu (requires camera with flash control menu and compatible flashes).

They are similar to the existing Pixel Kings but with a few major advantages, they allow ETTL Ratios, and they have a pass through style hotshoe on top which allows flash on camera use in ETTL or Manual. Not to mention a focus assist light that works quite well. As well as being transceivers which allows for back up transmitter units. And build is as good if not better than the Kings, all this for a considerably lower price.

YongNuo also have the advantage of having a bunch of their own inexpensive compatible flash units, even a new HSS version the YN-568EX already selling at $180 and lower.

 

The one ever looming omission though is the lack of USB port for firmware updates, but YongNuo have left this off intentionally to attain the very low price point. Once user feedback has proven any bugs are out of the system this may hardly be an issue. It does put a question mark over long term compatibility with future cameras etc, but the 622C are priced to make the most of now.

I checked with the YN engineer and there has only been one issue reported so far in the functioning, a lack of compatibility with 1D series cameras. That has already been resolved and beta test units sent out, new units should be in stores through this month (September 2012). But be sure to check with the seller though first if you do need 1D series compatibility.

 

How well do they work –

 

UPDATE  oct 2012 – Its still early days but there are quite a lot of units in peoples hands now and all user reports have been very good so far. The 622c have been exceeding many owners expectations, and no bugs reported that I am aware of.  So far the 622c are looking very good.

 

So far all indications are very good, everything seems to be working as advertised. No misfires or random fires and range is similar to the Pixel Kings around 50-60 meters (or more sometimes), which is generally a lot more than enough.

I had one small issue from the start where the camera would not go over x-sync without a HSS flash attached, but a quick email to the YN engineer solved that in no time with a quick factory reset of the triggers, and no problems since. Note – If you ever do have an issue, or suspect lack of compatibility with a camera or flash etc try the Factory Reset.

The convenience of remote Manual control capability alone is really great for the price, then the ETTL and HSS are very handy too. The AF assist light is also something I have been campaigning for for a long time, and it does a pretty decent job.

The only issues I noticed otherwise were the test fire button is not so easy to feel for on the side of the case, and you can easily bump the channel button instead putting the Tx off channel accidentally. I’m going to stick something onto the test button just so its raised a little and I can feel where it is easily.

The other thing is the locking rings  are far too small (similar to the Kings and many Pixel products) and it can be hard to tighten and loosen on the camera sometimes. The 622C case is also flat on top which is not friendly to locking ring access on the pass through shoe either. That seems ok with most flash units, but placing a Pixel trigger on top for example, which also has a tiny locking ring as well, is almost impossible to access (at least with my big fingers).

YN-622C

GREAT FEATURES –

  • Remote Manual Power Control in 3 groups from the camera menu
  • ETTL Ratios and FEC set from the camera menu (ALL/ A:B/ A:B C)
  • Flash On Camera in ETTL or Manual via Pass Through Hotshoe
  • Mix ETTL on camera flash with manual off camera (must be set directly on flash)
  • HSS (FP high speed sync) up to 1/8000th (with compatible flashes)
  • Good Focus Assist light on the Tx for low light focusing
  • FEL (flash exposure lock)
  • Test Fire Button on TX – Allows lightmeter use in remote manual
  • Up to 6 stops of FEC Flash Exposure Compensation in TTL (3 stops set direct on the flash)
  • Remote Flash Zoom Setting from camera (can override).
  • Second Curtain Sync
  • Supersync – up to 1/8000th shutter speed with studio lights (results depends on camera & lights used)
  • LCD Live view triggering
  • Settings saved automatically
  • Transceivers means there are back up transmitter units
  • Supports single contact pin camera & flash triggering, and non Canon camera use like Nikon etc.
  • A number of inexpensive compatible flash options
  • Regular AA batteries
  • 300v safe trigger voltage via PC sync cord
    (NOTE – The hotshoe for speedlites is ony 6 – 12 volt safe trigger voltage)

 

LIMITATIONS –

  • No USB Port for firmware updates (or bug fixes in early stages)
  • Canon flash control menu is not ideal (but much better than no remote control)
  • ETTL Ratios set remotely are limited to 1:1, 1:2 style ratios instead of FEC via groups (like ST-E3 etc).
  • Turning a group off remotely in manual power control is limited to choosing A:B or A:B:C
  • Mixing ETTL and manual groups is not possible via the remote menu (can be set directly on the flash)
  • Locking rings are smaller than ideal
  • Test Fire Button is a little hard to feel
  • Channel Button is easy to bump off channel
  • No shutter release feature (not uncommon with ETTL triggers)
  • Low 6 to 12 volt safe trigger voltage for speedlight mounting
    (300v safe trigger voltage is also available through the PC sync port )

 

UPDATE - June 2014 – The YN-622C-TX transmitter unit now eliminates most of the limitations listed above.

 

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Camera Compatibility

 

The functions available with the 662C do depend on camera and flash models used, and they are basically split into Type A & B Cameras (and Mark I & II style flashes).

TYPE A Cameras – with Camera Flash Control Menu

Manual – Full Remote Manual Power Control in 3 groups from the camera menu
ETTL – Full ETTL Ratio Control and FEC in 3 groups from the camera menu

1Dx, 1Ds III,  1D IV,  1D III,
6D, 5D III,  5D II,
7D,  70D, 60D,  50D,  40D,
650D T4i,  600D T3i,  550D T2i,  500D T1i,  450D XSi,
1100D T3,  1000D XS.

Powershot G12 – So far we have user confirmation the G12 will work in both ETTL (with FEC from the camera) and Manual Power Level controlled via the camera Flash Control Menu. (ETTL ratios or multiple Manual groups are yet to be confirmed).

If you can confirm functions working with any of the G series cameras please let us know in the comments. Thanks!

 

TYPE B Cameras – without external flash control menu

Manual – You must set the manual power level directly on the flash
ETTL – Global FEC control is available from the camera, but not ratios. Individual FEC can be set directly on each flash to achieve a ratio though.

1D II,  1D
5D Original,
30D,  20D,  10D,
350D XT,  400D XTi,  300D D-Rebel,

 

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Flash Compatibility

 

Full Remote Control

Flashes that will support remote flash control through the camera menu.
Manual – Full Remote Manual Power Control in 3 groups from the camera menu.
ETTL – Full ETT Ratio Control and FEC in 3 groups from the camera menu.

Canon - 600EX(RT), 580EX II, 430EX II, 320EX, 270EX II
Phottix – Mitros
YongNuo (with HSS) – YN568EX II, YN568EX, YN500EX
YongNuo (without HSS) YN565EX C, YN565 II C, YN468 II C, YN467 II C, YN465 C
Nissin (with HSS) – Di866 II – may require a factory settings reset to function correctly (and in manual etc) with the 622c
Metz – 58 AF-2, 48 AF-1 (possibly AF-56 and AF-50 yet to be confirmed)

Partial Control

Flashes that do not support remote manual flash control through the camera menu.
Manual – You must set the manual power level directly on the flash.
ETTL – Global FEC control is available from the camera. Ratios may be available, though individual FEC can also be set directly on each flash to achieve a ratio if needed.

Canon – 580EX, 550EX, 430EX
Metz – 54mz4, 54mz3 (requires M5 firmware in the SCA foot)
Nissin (without HSS) – Di622 II
Nissin (with HSS) – Di866
Sigma – 500 DG Super, 530 DG Super
Sunpak – PZ42X – Confirmed ETTL and FEC from the camera – No HSS

YN-568EX and YN-622C

Mixed Mode

 

The YN-622C also have a feature called Mixed Mode. This has basically 2 main functions –

Type A Cameras - this allows mixing of ETTL and Manual by allowing you to set ETTL, Manual (or Multi) on any flash, including the on camera flash, by making settings directly on the flashes themselves.

FEC from the camera will still be applied globally to any flashes set to ETTL, and you can also set FEC individually directly on each flash unit.

There is no remote Manual power control for the off camera flashes in this mode, but this is still well designed for wedding / event photographers etc who may require an ETTL flash on camera, as well as some remote manual flashes to help lift the background light in the room or create rim lights etc. The Canon menu system would not normally allow mixed ETTL and manual otherwise.

Type B Cameras – Because Type B cameras do not have a flash control menu for remote control of the flash units, they should always be set to mixed mode so that Manual power levels or FEC can then be set directly on the flashes units themselves. This also sets the camera to HSS by default so that will start as soon as you go over the cameras x-sync shutter speed.

Setting Mixed Mode - Mixed Mode only needs to be set on the 622C mounted on the camera (by holding the Channel button for a few seconds).

Setting a receiver to mixed mode allows the zoom on the flash attached to it to be set manually, separate from the camera menu zoom setting.

 

Case Compared with Pixel Kings

 

Its easy to see where YongNuo got their inspiration for the 662C. The case is almost identical in size to the Pixel King, except for the bulge on the one side of the King which holds that all important USB port which the 622C misses out on.

The other addition as seen above is the extra button on the side which is a dedicated test fire button, something the King desperately lacked. Both units have screw lock PC sync ports which are not ideal, but do the job for now. YN have already indicated a move to regular sockets in the future (as seen in the latest flash unit).

Locking rings on both units are smaller than ideal, I already had to use pliers to unlock the ring to remove the trigger from the camera once. And this is more important with the 622C as it needs to secure a flash on top on camera as well.

YN-622C & Pixel King

Base

 

Batteries are standard AA and appear to be lasting well.
The case is well finished and feels quite solid which gives a little more confidence with the flash mounted than the kings.

YN-622C Base

Transceivers

 

Because the YN-622C are transceivers they are exactly the same unit for both transmitter and receiver. So they have the same metal foot with TTL contacts on all units, and therefore no threaded mounting hole on the base. This means that if your umbrella swivel etc does not have a cold shoe already, you will need some form of coldshoe with threaded mounting hole in the base to attach a 5/8 stud etc.

The Frio plastic type shoes appear to be gaining popularity, I haven’t tried those but I’ve been very happy with the metal clamping coldshoes shown from flashzebra.com, or the original Stroboframe. There are some dodgy versions out there otherwise unfortunately.

YN-622C - Foot & Shoe

Flash On Camera / Pass Through Hotshoe

 

The 622C have an ETTL Pass Through style Hotshoe on top which allows a full ETTL flash to be used on top mounted on the camera.

A Flash mounted on top of the 622C on camera is definitely a little more firm fitting than the Pixel Kings, but still not as neat as the Phottix Strato II for example which have pretty much set the standard for a neat fit so far.

This is important because a flash on camera with the head constantly tilted and swiveled puts a lot of stress on the trigger shoe and foot, and any movement there can quickly compound, eventually causing the TTL contacts to loose communication and become unreliable.

My personal thoughts on pass through hotshoes are (unless exceptionally well made) that they are never going to be an ideal solution for constant serious flash on camera use. But this is a really important feature for many wedding and event photographers, and given the current lack of other options (other than the high priced 600EX-RT) I think a lot of people will be giving the 622C a try.

 

Flash On Camera Function

 

There are basically 2 options here –

One option is the Mixed Mode mentioned above, where the flash on camera can be set to ETTL or Manual independently of the off camera flashes.

So for example the flash on camera could be set to ETTL, and the off camera flashes could then be used in manual to help lift the ambient light in a room. You loose remote power control of the Manual set flashes, but at least this allows mixed ETTL and Manual.

The other option is the flash on camera is simply treated as group A from the camera’s Flash Control Menu. So all flashes on and off camera can either be in ETTL or Manual, and all remotely controlled from the camera menu.

The flash on camera zoom setting is intentionally NOT controlled by the camera flash control menu so that it can be set separately to the off camera units, or set to auto to follow the lense like a regular flash on camera. Again this is well thought out for on and off camera flash use (unlike the Kings zoom function which can be hard to tame).

 

Flash Remote Control

 

The flash remote control capability of the YN-622C is determined, and to some degree limited, by the Canon flash control menu. Having been spoiled with the Phottix Odin and PocketWizard AC3 I can’t say I’m a fan of the Canon menu, but it is often better than the flash interface itself, and certainly much better than no remote control of flashes at all.

YN-568EX YN-622C Flash Control Menu

 

To start controlling more than one group (on or off camera) you first go to the Wireless Function and select Enable (the flash on camera will always be treated as group A) –

YN-622C Wireless Function

 

Manual - You can select up to 3 groups and simply adjust the manual power level of each separately in 1/3rd stops (or the graduations as set in your camera options). Three groups on would be set to A:B:C. The other options are A:B for 2 groups, or ALL to fire all groups at the same setting. One small catch here is that you can’t simply turn off say group B for example from the camera. You would need to switch the flash off itself, or possibly just wind the power right down on the camera.

YN-622C Manual Firing Group

 

ETTL Ratio – With the Canon system you really only have a ratio available between 2 groups at most (A & B). The third group C can only be a background light, if you aim C at the subject it can blow out the exposure. The group C is therefore adjusted with separate FEC.

The A & B ratio is adjusted in the old system of 1:1, 1:2, 1:4 etc. That’s pretty outdated and a bit counter intuitive compared to the ST-E3, Phottix Odins, and PocketWizard AC3 which allow you to simply adjust FEC up and down on each flash. But its certainly better than no controllable ratio like the Kings. You can actually set FEC for each flash directly on the flash itself though.

YN-622C ETTL Firing Group

 

In Mixed Mode you could also create a 3 way ratio in ETTL, by setting FEC individually on the flash units themselves to first create the ratio, and then adjusting global FEC up and down from the camera as needed.

 

FEC – Flash Exposure Compensation

 

Flash Exposure Compensation is adjustable from the camera with Type A or B cameras. But FEC can also be set on the individual flash units themselves, and that will add or subtract from the camera setting. So you can get up to 6 stops of exposure compensation which can be a big help.

 

FP High Speed Sync (HSS)

 

FP HSS works when a compatible HSS enabled flash is attached to the 622C hotshoe on or off camera.

Most Canon EX flashes allow HSS, and YongNuo have also just released their first, and cheapest HSS enabled flash available so far, in the YN-568EX. Edit now also the YN-568EX II, and the YN-500EX.

HSS looses a couple of stops of power, but its main purpose is for fill flash while allowing higher shutter speeds in bright ambient light, so that larger apertures can be used to blur out the background and create a nice bokeh.

ND filters can acheive a similar result with a stop or so more power, but HSS is much faster and easier to change  in a fast paced environment than messing with ND filters. Good convenient variable ND filters like the Singh Ray are also not that cheap either.

Ganging 2 speedlights together often helps to retain some usable power in HSS and reduce stress on the speedlights.

HSS is not for everyone but many wedding, event, and portrait photographers would hate to be without it now, on or off camera. The freedom of selecting any shutter speed is fantastic, and the 622C certainly helps makes it more affordable off camera now too.

 

Second Curtain Sync

 

Second Curtain Sync works with the off camera flashes, but not with the wireless menu function enabled. So you no longer have remote control of more than one group. But that is still much better than no second curtain sync at all off camera (like Canons RF system).

 

FEL

 

The FEL button works when using ETTL. I find this really important for off camera ETTL as it acts like a spot meter and really lets you make the ETTL exposure decision yourself by choosing a tone in the image to meter. For people I normally  just meter on the face / skin while focusing on the eyes, and its very rare for the ETTL exposure to go amiss this way even in difficult conditions.

 

Test Fire Button  / Light Meter Use

 

The Test Fire Button on the 622C, like on the Pixel Kings, has a small delay, but that’s not really any practical issue. The important thing is the test button fires the flash at the correct power setting so a light meter can be used to take readings.

Another separate 622C unit held in hand (and away from the camera) can also be used to test fire all the flashes at the correct power level, even when using remote manual power settings from the camera.

Also when using remote manual power levels there is no pre flash, so you can fire the camera shutter as well to take a reading (possibly with a remote shutter release as well).

You can actually select which groups you would like to test fire at once, by scrolling through the groups while holding the test fire button. I don’t know how practical that would really be for quick light meter use though. If a light is really difficult to reach to turn off etc then it could possibly be easier switching it off like that from the Tx to take a reading .

 

Focus Assist Light

 

This is a really welcome feature, something I’m amazed the industry standard setting PocketWizard, and now even Canon has overlooked with the new ST-E3.

The AF light itself is the same as used in the YN-565EX flash unit. Its reasonably basic for centre focus point use only, but it is a pretty bright and sharp laser which projects a grid contrast pattern within a small circle, which is easily big enough to cover the centre focus point. I found it locks on focus just fine even with a 50mm F1.8 lense which has a lot of hunting for focus in low light otherwise.

You can see an example image here from the YN565ex from Speedlightes.net –
speedlights.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/YN-5…

YN-622C for Focus Assist

I’ve been harassing manufacturers for a long time now to make a stand alone AF light to mount radio triggers on top. Ironically a single 622C unit can also be used just for this purpose. I tried a number of manual triggers on top and they all appear to work fine. There may be a very small amount of delay added but I think this is hardly enough to see a change in sync speed (or more shutter curtain in an image).

Even without using flash the 622C can be handy sometimes on the camera hot shoe just for the AF assist alone, just shooting high iso in low light.

 

Forward /Backward Compatibility

 

The YN-622C are not currently directly compatible with any other YongNuo trigger, and no other YN triggers have been cross compatible in the past either, but YongNuo have a new engineer in charge of trigger development who has indicated that will soon change.

In the mean time though the 662C will actually work with most other manual triggers at the same time by simply mounting the other transmitter on top of the 622C hotshoe. So you can still combine your current YN triggers or most other manual ones like the Strato II shown above, or RF-602 below. So don’t be tossing those old triggers just yet!

YN-622C & RF-602

Supersync

 

Supersync (often know as Hypersync, which is PocketWizard’s trademark term) is a method of achieving higher sync speeds than your cameras x-sync speed with manual studio lights and speedlights. Sync speeds over the cameras x-sync are working well with manual speedlights, the timing is correct for a clean frame at any shutter speed up to 1/8000th (flash must be set at full power, and this was tested using a 1.6 crop frame camera). This is basically the standard timing so results should be similar to that of the Pixel Kings and Phottix Odin etc which also allow this feature.

Supersync with the 622C only works for lights attached to the receiver via a PC sync cord, which is a little bit of a hassle because YN do not supply a sync cord. But also triggers like the Kings and Odins conveniently allow this straight from the hotshoe with manual-only speedlights.

Note – Regular FP HSS with speedlites still works with flash directly mounted to the 622C hotshoe.

There is no adjustment for Supersync timing though (like PocketWizards) so different monolights and camera bodies will achieve different results. You will have to try with your gear and accept what you get there. This is often best with inexpensive monolights that have a long flash duration. The main advantage of Supersync is for freezing action with a high shutter speed in bright ambient light (daylight etc), which is quite difficult to achieve otherwise.

 

Low Battery Level Indicator

 

I don’t think it is mentioned in the manual, but if the battery level is low, when you enter the camera menu or half-press the shutter, the status LED will blink RED-GREEN quickly.

 

Factory Reset

 

Hold down the [CH SET] and [GP SET] buttons at the same time until state indicators blink 3 times in red – green alternately then change to keep lighting (red), release all buttons and the factory reset is complete.

 

No Shutter Release

 

This is not uncommon with TTL triggers just due to they way they operate. The Kings or Odins do not have a shutter release function either. You can always use another trigger or wireless shutter release at the same time as the though.

 

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2 Shooters (or 2 Cameras) – Using the Same Remote Flashes.

 

If 2 cameras with flashes mounted on top, are set up to fire the same set of remote off camera slave flashes, there can be a problem. As they will set off each others on camera flash each time either camera takes a shot.

A work around has been found for this by simply setting the on camera YN-622C to Group C, and the off camera YN-622C to Group B.

The cameras are then both set to fire Group A:B (in ETTL or Manual) via the cameras menu .

So when one camera takes a shot, the on top flash is treated as group A (as an on top flash always is), and the remote flash is Group B.

The other cameras on top flash retains its Group C setting though, and because Group C is not enabled in the A:B firing Group set on the camera, that will not fire the other cameras Group C flash.

 

Of course the best method is to have a separate slave flash for each shooter (mounted on a dual flash Mulit Boom etc), and set both cameras YN-622C’s to a different Channel.

 

Compared To -

 

The 622C’s remote control ability is fantastic for the price, but they really don’t compare to the Phottix Odin, PocketWizard AC3 Zone Controller, (or even Canon ST-E3) when it comes to speed and ease of use through the user interface. I realise these are not in the same price range but people are often quick to look for the cheapest trigger and overlook just how much difference a good system can make. Messing with lighting can be one of the most disruptive things sometimes so it also where the biggest gains can be made as well. Once you’ve been spoiled with a good system it can be hard to go back.

The 622C are limited by Canons flash control menu, where as the Odins, PW AC3, and ST-E3 etc give you full access to the 3 groups all straight in front of you. Any one group can then be switched on or off, switched from manual to ETTL, or adjusted in FEC instead of restrictive ratios.

Phottix Odin TTL Trigger TCU

With the Canon flash menu you can’t even just simply turn a group off in manual, you can only select A:B or A:B:C etc. And you can’t mix ETTL and manual without loss of remote manual control.

So the Odins etc are more user friendly and fast and simple to use, the catch is they don’t allow a flash on camera like the 622C, and the Canon 600EX-RT is considerably more expensive again at this stage. That’s the tough decision people who need serious flash on camera use have been dealing with, and the 622C are going to make the decision even harder.

 

Any Reason to Still Get a Manual Trigger now?

 

I’ve been asked the question a number of times already, is there any reason not to get these instead of a good manual trigger like the (similarly priced) Strato II ? Again this can be another hard decision. The manual trigger is not really going anywhere soon, you only have to look at the latest PocketWizard Plus III to see that a good simple solid reliable manual trigger is still very desirable even if you do use them mainly with speedlights.

Manual triggers don’t send a lot of information back and forth like TTL triggers constantly do, just a quick simple fire signal. So they can be faster with sync speeds, over greater range, and using less battery power. Most can also be used as a shutter release.

But simple light meter use is often the area basic manual triggers have held the advantage, as they have no pre-flash comunications to confuse the light meter like TTL triggers often do, even in remote manual. Fortunately the 622C do not have this pre flash in remote manual either, so you can generally take a reading by firing the camera shutter, or using the test fire button on any 622C unit (even one held in hand).

The Strato II otherwise are a nicely refined design basically at the top of their class, where as the 622C are currently the cheapest in their class, a first new model, and so not as refined in physical design. The Strato have a much more solid fitting pass through hotshoe and easy to use locking rings, switches, group and channel selection. The grouping system is much more suitable for quickly taking light meter readings with different groups switched on or off quickly. And they come with all the quality cords you could need including shutter release, where the 622C don’t provide any cords.

Manual triggers like the Strato II are not going to go out of date with future compatibility issues, so they are more of an investment than the 622C which are more about maximum bang for your buck now. It really comes down to whether the remote capabilities, TTL, and possibly HSS of the 622C are what you are looking for or not, and if you have the compatible gear to make full use of them.

 

Whats Included

 

  •  YN-622C transceiver (or 2)
  • 28 page User Manual & Quick Start Guide sheet

No cords or anything else are included.

In comparison the Kings come with a number of cords, batteries, stands, and a very nice padded case (which I love and still use for everything else too). But I can’t fault YN for this as most people are after the lower price point and the extras are not so important.

 

Specs

 

  • System type: Digital FSK 2.4GHz wireless transceiver
  • Distance: 100M
  • Channel: 7
  • Flash mode: E-TTL(II), Manual flash, Multi flash
  • Sync mode: 1st curtain, 2nd curtain, Hi-speed sync
  • Groups: 3Groups (A/B/C)
  • Sync speed: 1/8000s*
  • Input: Hot-shoe(TTL,main contact)
  • Output: Hoe shoe, PC port
  • Applicable battery: AAX2 (support 1.2 V rechargeable battery)
  • Stand-by time: 60h
  • Dimensions: 89.5×53×39mm
  • Weight:78g

 

Resources

 

POTN Canon forum –
photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1212530

User Manual Online –
http://www.yongnuoebay.com/sm/yn622cy.pdf

An altenative User Guide –
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B77OmmGIg0gMVFpqNkpBYXBHajA

 
Price and Availability

 

Pricing is from around $80 a pair –

YN-622C – Canon – AmazonUK
YN-622N – Nikon – AmazonUK

Ebay – YN-622CYN-622N – YongNuo Ebay Store

YN-568EX II Canon – UK – (HSS, optic master – no external battery port)
YN-568EX Canon
 – UK – (HSS – no external battery port)
YN-565EX Canon – UK – (external battery port – no HSS)
YN-500EX Canon – UK – (HSS, 1/2 stop less power – no external battery port)

YN-568EX Nikon – UK – (HSS – no external battery port)
YN-565EX Nikon – UK – (external battery port – no HSS)

PC sync cord to connect Studio Lights – AmazonAmazon UK

Many thanks to YongNuo for providing the early sample units, and promptly answering all of my tedious questions.

Related Articles –

YongNuo YN-568EX – TTL & HSS Flash Review

190 Comments
  1. Andy 12 months ago

    Hi

    As promised, I took delivery of my Yn-622C triggers today and can report that they work perfectly with my Canon 70d.

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      Flash Havoc 12 months ago

      Fantastic, thanks Andy!

  2. Todd 12 months ago

    Flash Havoc,

    I have 4 of these YN-622C and some manual Yougnuo flashes. I’m looking into purchasing some new TTL flashes.

    Will the Phottix Mitros TTL flashes be compatible with YN-622C triggers? I like to have full functionality of the Mitros with these triggers. )

    Or…..should I stick with TTL Yougnuo Flashes??

    (Of course I’m also waiting for the new YN-622-TX to be released as well. I hate to get all new radio triggers for use with Phottix flashes.)

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 12 months ago

      Hi Todd,

      A number of people have reported the Mitros working ok on the YN-622C. I haven’t tried it extensively but it does appear to work. (Phottix triggers don’t like the current Yongnuo flashes much at all though).

      I would personally be a little wary of buying them with the intention to mix though, the YN-622-TX for example has a USB port for firmware updates now, so there’s no guarantee future firmware will be full compatible with other third party gear. If you stick with the same brand you’re pretty safe.

      If you’re looking at the Mitros though, you might want to consider the Mitros+ instead? Having all the radio incorporated is a pretty sweet system. I know the price difference is an issue, but (just my speculation) Canon is already discounting pretty aggressively, I think they will go even lower once the YongNuo YN-600-EX arrives, and the effect of both of those may see some discounting in the Mitros+.

      • Todd 12 months ago

        Thanks FH,

        Since you mention it, one more question for you about the Mitros+ flash…….I’ll just post here as a reply.

        If I purchase one or even multiple Mitros+ flashes, Does one use a Odin on the camera hot shoe to fire them as off-camera flashes? Say if I have 2 Mitros+ off-camera, I would need a 3rd on camera for triggering them? Or can the Odin be used?

        I hate to purchase another Mitros+ just for a transceiver and of course the added weight to the camera.

        Thanks.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 12 months ago

          Hi Todd,

          Yes you can use either a Mitros+ or the Odin transmitter on the camera hotshoe as the transmitter for the remote Mitros+ flashes.

          Then you can also add Odin receivers for other Canon flashes for example, or manual receivers like the Strato II to fire studio light etc as well.

          So its a very neat system, only a Mitros+ or Odin TCU on the camera as needed, to fire everything.

  3. ZweiP 11 months ago

    My 622 doesn t work properly with my 5d ii and 550 ex. No ttl and no Hss. Does anyone know what im doing wrong. Any advice. Please help me

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi ZweiP,

      Are they working in remote manual then, or firing at all? Thanks.

      • ZweiP 11 months ago

        Yes in Manual Mode everything works fine. I dont know why it will Not accept any from Camera settings. Even the Flash exp comp has no influence. What s wrong. Thanks

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 11 months ago

          Hi ZweiP,

          Do you have the flash control menu on the 5D II set to TTL and HSS? They YN-622C and flashes will only follow what you have the cameras flash control menu set to.

          You can try and do a factory reset on all the triggers though as well. Hold the CH SET and GP SET buttons at the same time until the state indicators blink 3 times. Make sure to reset all the triggers though. Thanks.

          • ZweiP 11 months ago

            Found the reason. The flash was not properly mounted on the trigger. The trigger hotshoe was a little bit tight and brand new. Just got it yesterday. Im happy. Thanks for your help.

  4. max 11 months ago

    Hi there,

    Do you know if you can “mix” one or more 622C with one or more 622N ?
    Are they compatible? TX and RX between them?
    I wonder if I have to buy 2 sets or buy only one set (of 2pcs) and borrow a couple extra 622 units from friends.
    Tnx.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Max,

      Sorry, no you can’t mix Canon and Nikon versions of the YN-622 unfortunately. They are completely separate systems. Thanks.

  5. Cory Goldberg 11 months ago

    Urgent help needed, please! Shooting a wedding tomorrow, and have just run into this problem:

    I’ve been using 4 yn622c’s for several months now and have not had a single problem — until the last shoot i was on, one of the triggers, when mounted on the camera would not let me access manual mode, only e-ttl was available — all other options were greyed out. I switched triggers and those seemed to work fine, just the one was acting up. NOW, I was just checking again, and it seems that a 2nd trigger is doing the same thing! So I have 2 that allow access to manula mode, and 2 that don’t. I have tried this on both of my 5d mark 2 bodies, too, and the problem is consistent. I am thoroughly confused, and if anyone has any suggestions or ideas as to what is going on, i would be most grateful if you could tell me before 12 hours. Is there some kind of reset option on the trigger by the way?

    Thanks,
    Cory

    • Cory Goldberg 11 months ago

      AH!! Sorry for the post, I fixed it by doing a little post-panic research. For anyone else that may experience this issue, apparently, the hard reset option fixes it (hold down ch set and gp set until the green light blinks 3x). At least, the 2 that were giving me problems have both stopped now…will update if the issue returns. By the way, WHATS GOING ON WITH THE 622 TX’s??! Thought that was supposed to be in Oct :)

      • Author
        Flash Havoc 11 months ago

        Hi Cory,

        Thanks, glad you got it sorted. Yes the factory reset solves all manner of mysteries :-)

        A lot of issues are simply not having the transmitter in the camera hotshoe, or flashes seated on receivers properly, followed by dirty contacts or low batteries. But a factory reset of all the units also resolves a lot of issues quickly. If anything is acting up, a quick reset is good place to start.

        No word on the YN-622C-TX yet. The Nikon version will likely come some time this month, and then the Canon will follow, but I’m not sure how far behind.

  6. Pablo SF 11 months ago

    Does anybody know if the Yongnuo triggers are fully compatible with the Meike MK-600…? I am about to buy this flash, instead of the Yongnuo 568EXII because of the power jack of the Meike that allows to connect a external battery.

    Thanks,

    Pablo.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 11 months ago

      Hi Pablo,

      Sorry I have not heard any feedback on the MK-600 compatibility.

      If you don’t need HSS the YN-565EX would be the best option.

      Otherwise the safest option is to wait for the YN-600EX-RT. Thanks.

      • maate33 9 months ago

        Hey guys,

        Would the YN-565EX work in Supersync (not HSS) with this transmitter, if I set it to full power?

        I’m trying to look around the web to find out, but unfortunately, no luck yet for the info…

        Thank you for your help!

        Cheers, maate33

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 9 months ago

          Hi maate33,

          Yes that will generally work, as long as you use full power.

          But keep in mind SuperSync results vary with different cameras and triggers. The YN-622-TX with timing adjustment should help to get the best results possible though.

          Also likely the reason you don’t hear much about this, is that its not particularly practical for a few reasons. Using the speedlite at full power all the time is pretty slow and taxing on the flash, when its not providing a lot of light this way anyway. And you have no option of adjusting power level either.

          So it can be useful, especially to know when you may possibly want to combine flashes and still use HSS, but in general its not practical like using a higher power monolight instead, or regular HSS which allows easy power level adjustment for fill flash. Thanks.

      • Pablo SF 9 months ago

        Finally, I took the risk and tried with the Meike Mk-600 and now I can say that it is fully compatible with the yongnuo’s yn-622c. TTL seems to work fine, as well as HSS, second curtain sync, flash power compensation, zoom, etc. in remote mode with the yongnuo triggers.

        Regards,

        Pablo.

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 9 months ago

          Hi Pablo,

          Thanks for that, good to hear it worked out!

          Can I just confirm that you mean you can do remote manual power control of the MK-600 from the camera menu? Thanks.

  7. Tony 9 months ago

    I have two 622C triggers and a 568EX and I like the way it all works together. I’d like to buy a couple more flash units and I’m happy to go Yongnuo again. The problem I have is knowing which one to choose :) I’d like to retain the radio firing capability as this makes things easier when shooting outside in sunlight and I hardly ever shoot in ETTL so this isn’t necessary. So I think the best option for me is the YN 560III but I can’t find any info on whether it is compatible with the 622C’s. Any advice is appreciated.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 9 months ago

      Hi Tony,

      The YN-622C will fire the YN-560 III with a YN-622C receiver attached, but that is all.

      If you would like remote control of the power levels you would be better off with the YN-565EX.

      If you’re really trying to save $$ going with the YN-560 III, you could stack an RF-603 II transmitter on top of the YN-622C on the camera hotshoe, to simply fire all the YN-560 III’s built in radio receivers. Thanks.

  8. Tony 9 months ago

    Thanks I appreciate the info. Great site!

  9. moonraker6x 9 months ago

    Hi There,
    I mainly run with a 7D sppedlite off camera system but am thinking about getting some wireless wizards. The YN 622C appear some much better value than the Pocket W.
    Are they better than the built in Canon Speedlite system
    What more will I get from using these?

    Thanks for your time

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 9 months ago

      Hi moonraker,

      Yes I would say the YN-622C are considerably better than the Canon Optic Wireless system.

      Though if you have gotten this far with the Canon Optic Wireless, that may work ok for what you’re doing.

      The main thing is the radio system has much larger range, and no issue with line of sight or using outside in bright light.

      You also have HSS and Second Curtain Sync available off camera.

      Using manual there is no delay or pre-flash, and you don’t get any unwanted light from the pop up flash in the image even in TTL.

      With the coming YN-622C-TX you will be able to use TTL or manual in any group and mix them at the same time. The built in interface is much quicker and easier than the camera menu.

      So they are all round a lot more practical than the Optic Wireless, though that can work alright in the right conditions. Radio is generally much less limited though. Thanks.

  10. Andy C 9 months ago

    I just got two 622c’s to use with my Canon 5d3. I had planned to use them to trigger my remote
    Cheetah 180 flash while retaining on camera an ettl control with my existing canon 600 rt’s. However the triggers will not play well with the canon flashes….somehow the ttl settings are negated…I don’t seem to have any control over their operation. I had wanted to use the Cheetah as an off camera key light with its great manual control and still have the HSS feature thru the 622’s…not going to happen.

    I have had to revert back to my photix stratos which works fine with the other flashes…but will not give me HSS…any input would be great.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 9 months ago

      Hi Andy,

      No offence intended, but you really sound like you’re going like a bull out of gate (posting in a number of places etc).

      You’re going to have to slow down and work through one issue at a time.

      The YN-622C should definitely allow you ETTL and full control with the 600EX-RT off camera.

      So once you have them working properly it is going to happen :-)

      What you’re doing wrong I have no idea at this stage though. I would suggest you do a factory reset on all the YN-622C first. Have a slow read through the review above, and off course read through the user manual.

      To use ETTL the camera flash control menu needs to be set to ETTL as well. What exactly is the 600EX-RT flash doing, is it reverting back to a manual power setting on the flash LCD?

      EDIT – I just saw your latest comment on POTN forum. Your first problem at least is that you shouldn’t be setting any flash to master or slave. Just leave them set to the regular TTL mode and the transmitter and camera menu will take over the settings.

      You can’t mix the Canon optic wireless system and the YN-622C radio system. Every TTL flash off camera will need a YN-622C receiver attached to the foot.

      The AD 180 would then have a YN-622C attached via PC sync cable. You can then use your Canon flashes in TTL or remote manual, with HSS. And the AD180 can be used in HSS as well.

  11. Donald F. 8 months ago

    I been wanting YN622c since 2012 but I waited so long to get it.. and I finally pulled the trigger and bought YN622c and V850s since February 2014.. and I was like.. What took me so long? All these solved most of my problems that I had with Pocket Wizards. YN622c simply the best decision I ever made! :)

  12. Thang 8 months ago

    in the manual said:When using the hot shoe flash which doesn’t suppor t hi -speed sync, the max sync speed is 1/250s or lower. So what does it mean? in my understand that if I connect 1 flash on hot shoe of 662C on the camera, I can not have H-Speed? please correct me. many thanks

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 8 months ago

      Hi Thang,

      This depends on whether the flash model you are using has a HSS (High Speed Sync) function enabled.

      All the larger Canon EX flashes have a HSS function (550EX, 580EX, 580EX II, 600EX-RT, etc).

      The YongNuo YN-568EX, YN-568EX II and YN-500EX have a HSS function. But the YN-565EX for example does not.

      So you will need a flash which has the HSS function available to start with. The YN-622C just allows you to use the function away from the camera hotshoe, and via radio. Thanks.

  13. Marianus Ekka 7 months ago

    I have YN 560iii N flashes using them as optical slaves on S1 . Recently I bought YN 622n TX and Rx hoping to get radio trigger my YN 560 flashes with my SB 800. SB 800 does fire but YN 560 does not.. I thought since YN 560 incorporates transceiver as well and built by YN. Is there any possibility that it will fire from 622?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 7 months ago

      Hi Marianus,

      The radio receiver built in to the YN-560 III flashes are not directly compatible with the YN-622 unfortunately.

      You would either need to attach YN-622N as receivers to each YN-560 III flash (no remote control available, just a basic fire signal), or you could stack an RF-603 II transmitter on top of the YN-622N transmitter on the camera hotshoe, to then fire the YN-560 III flashes as well through their built in receiver.

      If you want to use the YN-622-TX though, there is not pass through hotshoe to stack the RF-603 on top.

      So if you intend to get the YN-622N-TX you would likely be better off going with more YN-622N as receivers for the YN-560 III as well. I know it seems like a waste, but there’s not much you can do about that. Other than possibly trade up to YN-565EX flashes instead so that you have remote control. Thanks.

  14. Chris G 7 months ago

    I am planning to get a YN500ex and a set of these YN-622C triggers for my Canon 650D, as far as I can tell from what I have read they should all play nicely together.

    However I also have a Fuji X20. I know that the triggers or the speedlight will not work at all in any kind of TTL mode. But I was wondering if you knew whether the triggers would work in manual mode, just for simple of camera flash?

    Thanks for all your time spent on these fantastically in depth articles, really invaluable for some pre-purchasing info.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 7 months ago

      Hi Chris,

      Thanks for that, yes the YN-622C should simply fire the flashes from the Fuji, but no remote control of any kind at this stage. Thanks.

  15. Joe 7 months ago

    I hope someone can help me.
    I can not fire off camera Canon 580EX II in a slave mode using on camera YN-622 as transmitter.
    Nor I can fire remote flash on YN-622 receiver using Canon 580EX II as master.
    I tried all possible combination and had no luck. I set proper setting on Canon 580 EX II, I mean right channel and right group, slave/master mode on both devices (YN-622 and Canon 580EX II). I am sure that setting on Canon 580EX II are right, I could trigger remote Canon 580EX II in slave mode using Canon 70D with built in flash.
    I can fire remote flash on YN-622 receiver, using on camera YN-622 transmitter. I tested Canon 580EX II, YN-560 III, Sigma DG 500 Super flashes and all work fine.
    I could trigger remote Canon 580EX II in a slave mode, using Canon 70D with built in flash.
    But I can not trigger remote YN-622 using Canon 560EX II as master, nor trigger Canon 560EX II in a slave mode using YN-622 as transmitter. I tried factory reset, mixed mode, and nothing work.
    I hope someone may have trick for me.
    Thanks,
    Joe

    I have tried Canon 580EX II and YN-622C on original Canon 5D and Canon 70D. I can control remotes flashes using YN-622 on camera and different flashes on remote YN-622 receiver (YN 560 III, Sigma DG 500 Super).

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 7 months ago

      Hi Joe,

      I think you’ve got it a little confused as to how the YN-622C operate there.

      They are separate radio triggers, and you always need to have one on the camera hotshoe as the transmitter, and one on each flash foot as the receiver.

      The flashes themselves should NOT be set to Master or Slave mode at all.

      Then while using MKII flashes like your 580EX II, and cameras like your 70D which have a flash control menu, you can make all the changes to the remote flash through the cameras flash control menu.

      You can mount a TTL flash on top of the camera (on top of the YN-622C’s pass through hotshoe) and use the flash on camera as normal. But you can’t use the master interface to control the slave flashes, that is still done through the cameras flash control menu.

      For cameras like the 5D (without flash control menu) you can only control basic TTL with the off cameras flashes, as there is no interface to make manual power level changes etc (though you can set them on the flash directly).

      So in short, YN-622C attached to both camera and flash.

      Flash left in regular TTL mode, NO Master or Slave setting on.

      Remote flash settings are made through the cameras flash control menu.

      FEC can be adjusted on the camera dial as well. Thanks.

      • Joe 7 months ago

        Thank you very much for quick response and clearing things for me. You were right, I had misunderstood features of YN-622. Thank you so much. I guess I need order few more YN-622 to accomplish what I initially wanted.
        Joe

  16. ivano 5 months ago

    I Used the YN-622c with my 580 exII and it works fine.

    I set it up in Manual and I tried to put it in master mode in order to trigger my 2nd flash (430 exII – in slave) but it simply doesn’t work. Every time I trigger the transceiver by testing or shooting it force the flash out of Master mode. Pretty annoying.

    I had an old version of yongnuo transceivers and I use to do that all the times.
    Any solution for this?

  17. cory 5 months ago

    Hi there,

    I’m hoping someone can answer this for me in a clear and easy way:

    I have 2 bodies, and I’d like to use a YN622 on both (different lens on each body) to fire 2 more flashes set up on stands (i own 4 622’s total)

    So, if my settings are the same in both camera menus, this shouldn’t be a problem i suppose, but what about if I have different settings in both bodies? Would the flash settings just change back and froth according to which body is firing? And are there any ideal configurations I’d want to use for this type of set up, in terms of channels and/or groups? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    • cory 5 months ago

      Oh, and thank you in advance :)

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 5 months ago

      Hi Cory,

      Yes the flashes will update to the camera settings when you half press or fire the shutter, so it shouldn’t matter if each camera has different flash settings.

      The only issue I am aware of is when you also have 2 flashes mounted on top of the cameras (on the YN-622C’s pass through hotshoe). One camera will fire the others on-camera flash. To avoid that there is a work around set up explained here. Thanks.

  18. Darek K. 5 months ago

    If I will mount RF-602 transmiter on top of YN622C, will RF-602 trigger flashes on second curtain?

  19. RDW 5 months ago

    So what is the difference between the YN-622C-TX and the YN-E3-RT? Don’t they both control the flash and offer ETTL and HSS?

  20. Shlomi Cohen 5 months ago

    A new video shows a guy pulling off using SuperSync with a YN-622C-TX and a YN-565 at only 1/4 power with what seems to be a 6D.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3k_qewBX40
    Pretty interesting, isn’t it?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 5 months ago

      Hi Shlomi,

      Thanks, that is very strange. Firstly because you need to attach the flash to YN-622C receivers via sync cord to get SuperSync to start with. [ EDIT – Sorry you can now use the hotshoe for SuperSync when using the YN-622C-TX as the transmitter. ]

      But also because it would be next to impossible to get a full frame without any shutter showing with the fast flash duration at 1/4 power.

      The only think I can think is that the camera reverted back to 1/200th for the actual image?

  21. Mitya 4 months ago

    Dear Flash Havoc,

    i hope you can help me out: I’m on my second set of 622c working with a 6D and a 430EXII. The Problem I have (and have had with the first set) is that TTL almost never works and I have no control over the flash via the 6D menu. Do you know what the issue here might be?

    Thanks,

    Mitya

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 months ago

      Hi Mitya,

      Sorry no I’m not sure what what the issue is there. If you can fire the flash (?) though have no control, you could possibly have they YN-622C in mixed mode.

      Did you try doing a factory reset on both transmitter and receiver? Thanks.

      • Mitya 3 months ago

        Hi,

        yeah, I’ve tried that. Didn’t help. I changed that pair of transmitters out and got a new pair and they seem to work fine now. Chineese quality has it’s price I guess…

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 3 months ago

          Ok thanks.

          There have been a few mentions of he 6D lately, so maybe there has been a bug with a batch which mainly affects the 6D.

  22. Author
    Flash Havoc 3 months ago

    YN622C-TX Firmware v1.04: Improved stability and transmission range.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63687922/YN622C-TX_FW_V1.04.zip

  23. Rich 3 months ago

    Hi

    I’m new to this and I’m writing this on behalf of someone who is interested in photography and is disabled, using a communication aid as a means to using the camera.

    He was bought a yongnuo rf-600tx transmitter and a yongnuo yn560-III FLASH GUN, however since he uses a canon 550d and live view to take shots the flash will not work.

    After reading many posts it seems to be a curtain flash issue on the camera. The only part solution I have read is that this yn622 will help, but I know vey little about all of this to help him. Obviously changing his camera is not a solution and I’m hoping someone on here can point me in the right direction, so that money is not thrown at something that will not work.

    Many thanks

    Rich.

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 3 months ago

      Hi Rich,

      I don’t have a lot of experience with this, though I’m pretty sure it is correct that the YN-622C will provide live view with flash triggering as well.

      Though this may possibly be further complicated if he is using some type of remote camera control application. There was a case of some conflict between these a little while back.

      In general though I think you will need the YN-622C, and possibly even a compatible TTL flash. I haven’t had a chance to test if a manual flash like the YN-560 III would fire in sync ok on a YN-622C receiver, though in theory it should still do.

      Just attaching the RF-600TX to a YN-622C transmitter on the camera hosthoe (via a hotshoe PC sync cord) could even work. Though I would need to test this as well to be sure.

  24. Diego Luna 2 months ago

    Hello!! I want to know if this radios can sync up to 1/4000 with my elinchrom dlite4 and elinchrom ranger quadra, flash duratino it’s between 1/800 (dlite4) and 1/3000 (ranger quadras) Thanks !!!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 month ago

      Hi Diego,

      I’m not too sure about those as I haven’t heard too many reports with the Elinchrom lights.

      This depends on the camera you use as well, because full frame cameras generally have slower shutters.

      You may be able to get some idea from the results on the PocketWizard HyperSync Wiki here, where you can select your camera and light model.

      It would be best to use the YN-622C-TX as transmitter though now as well, as that has a timing adjustment for pre-sync signal.

  25. Mark Garcia 1 month ago

    Sir, is it ok if i put the YN-622C TX on my camera and the YN-622C on my 2 flashes? is it compatible? and is it ideal if I only have 3 triggers? thanks sir

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 month ago

      Hi Mark,

      You didn’t mention which camera and flashes you have, but otherwise yes one YN-622C-TX on the camera and a YN-622C attached to each flash foot is correct.

      So yes that’s 3 triggers altogether for 2 off camera flash units.

  26. Max Rockbin 1 month ago

    This is by far the best review of the YN-622C. Thank You!

    For macro work, I’m trying to find a decent & inexpensive manual flash for the 70D that will allow rear/2nd curtain sync. I know that’s an odd option, but it does exist with some camera/flash combos.

    Would it work to put the YN-622C on the 70D shoe and put (for example) a YN-560 II on that?
    Would I be able to trigger the flash on the 2nd curtain even though it’s not TTL?
    (If I mount the flash directly on the camera, 2nd curtain triggering is grayed out).

    I could be missing something obvious. Maybe it makes more sense to just use a Yn-565 EX in manual mode. But I’m afraid 2nd curtain sync would be grayed if the flash isn’t set to TTL.

    Thanks!

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 month ago

      Hi Max,

      I just tried this with a YN-560 III and YN-622C, and second curtain sync does work provided you connect the flash to the YN-622C (transmitter or receiver) via a PC sync cord.

      If you put the flash directly on the YN-622C hotshoe (transmitter or receiver) it will fire on the first curtain (unless it is a dedicated TTL flash).

      .

      You can use a TTL flash like the YN-565EX in manual and still have second curtain sync. The flash menu option will not be grayed out once you have the flash connected to the camera hotshoe (you could use a short ETTL cord to re-position the flash).

      You also need to disable “Wireless Set” in the camera flash control menu so that the second curtain sync option is not grayed out (with either the YN-622C or an ETTL flash on the camera).

      .

      Regarding a good inexpensive manual flash, the Shanny SN600C are available now for around $85. They have full TTL and manual, so that would cost you less than a YN560 II and YN-622C. Though you may want a short ETTL cord as well.

      • Max Rockbin 1 week ago

        I missed your answer till now for some reason. Thank You!

        You noted that the yn-622c will trigger a flash with 2nd curtain sync if the flash is connected via PC cord to the 622c instead of put on top of its passthrough shoe.

        Do you know if 2nd curtain sync will work triggering an off camera manual flash connected to a second 622c transceiver unit (no flash on the camera – just the 622c transmitter)?
        Or does it need the physical cord in order to work?

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 2 days ago

          Hi Max,

          Yes if its a non dedicated manual flash, then it needs to be connected via a PC sync cord to the YN-622C receiver.

          If using an compatible TTL flash, then that will fire in 2nd curtain on the hotshoe as you would expect.

  27. Al 1 week ago

    I have canon 50d
    On have 430 ex ll. And have gotten yn 622c triggers. Works fine until I got the yn 568ex ll
    You can even turn flash on on triggers and hard to get it to trigger. They should be able to work with yn 622c
    I have fiddled for two days…
    I might send back and get another 430 ex ll
    Along with the new yongnuo transmitter
    IT Shouldn’t Be THAT Hard To Get 568ex Ll To Work right…?

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 2 days ago

      Hi Al,

      They should work fine together, so you have an issue there somewhere.

      First thing, is did you do a factory reset on all the YN-622C?

      That clears up a lot of strange behavior so let us know if you tried that.

  28. Fredrik 1 week ago

    Hi,

    First I want to thank you for this amazingly in-depth review.

    Secondly, I’m interested in trying some HSS-work. For regular flash photography today I use a 5D3 with Nikon SB80DX-flashes connected with simple Cactus V5’s. Since this is a “dumb” setup, it doesn’t matter that the flashes and camera are different brands. Now what I’m hoping to find out is wether it would be possible with the YN622C to use the SB80DX’s with HSS. I know that the flashes have a HSS-system that works with cameras from that time period (wether that is the same system as their newer flashes, I don’t know).

    Though convenient, I don’t really care if the TTL works or if I can control power ratios from my camera, I’m only interested in the HSS-functionality. But these might all be linked? If the YN622C and SB80DX are not compatible as far as TTL goes, then maybe the HSS is off the table as well and they can only be used in “dumb” mode anyways?

    Would very much appreciate your expertise on this,
    Thank you!
    /F

    • Author
      Flash Havoc 1 week ago

      Hi Fredrik,

      Sorry no I really don’t think the SB80DX will work with the YN-622N with TTL or HSS.

      I really don’t understand the Nikon system too well, and that flash was in some type of transition period in the Nikon system. But I don’t recall any TTL compatibility with YN-622N. And you won’t get HSS alone if the TTL side of things is not compatible.

      All you can do with manual flashes (like the SB80 basically are now) is use long duration sync. For that you need to set the flash to full power where the flash duration is longest. Then you can use similar triggering methods to the regular HSS to get the Pre-Sync signal to make this work.

      So you could grab a YN-622N-TX and YN-622N receiver and have a play with this. The YN-622N-TX even has a SuperSync (SS) timing adjustment to fine tune the best results.

      For general use, portraits etc, this is not practical to use often though, as you have no power level adjustment, and the flash takes a beating used at full power all the time. The Godox Witstro bare bulb flashes hold up to this much better (and they have a HSS mode allowing lower power levels as well).

      If the Shanny SN600N ($90) end up working ok with the YN-622N, you may be better off just grabbing an inexpensive flash and trigger like that for HSS.

      • Fredrik 2 days ago

        Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it!

        I’ll probably get a couple of YN622C’s and maybe a TX plus a YN568EX II or Shanny flash (never heard of them, seems like they can give Yongnuo a run for their money).

        Pocket Wizard claim that their ControlTL-technology is optimizing the whole HSS-setup, allowing for less light loss and shorter recycle times. Do you have any experience with this system (Canon flashes and PW’s for HSS) in comparison to using HSS with say 622C’s and Yongnuo flashes?

        • Author
          Flash Havoc 2 days ago

          Hi Fredrik,

          Sorry I went a bit off track in the last reply, overlooking the fact that you are using a Canon Camera.

          The main problem with PocketWizard Control-TL is that they did not work well at all with the Canon 580EX II because of radio noise issues. And then the 600EX-RT have built in radio, so it doesn’t generally make much sense to add an extra set of external TTL triggers then.

          So no I never really studied the HSS with the TT5’s, as reliability issues were a bigger priority at the time (and people have always reported mixed experience with them).

          If you’re only dealing with speedlites, then you may want to consider the Canon RT system. And possibly the YongNuo and Shanny versions of the flashes and transmitter as supplement units.

  29. Yuppa 2 days ago

    @Al

    “I have canon 50d….”

    If you’re not going to give us details as to what you are doing/expect, there’s NO way anybody can help you.

    Because you have a 50D, you can’t control the flashes with the camera menu so you have to be extra precise. I would buy a 622-TX myself as that simplifies the process GREATLY no matter what body you own!

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